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Points Deduction?
Topic Started: Mar 18 2007, 11:01 AM (1,755 Views)
TBone
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nrlawton
Mar 18 2007, 09:35 PM
I will be megaly shocked if we do get docked points, I just cant see it happening but we are Birmingham City and the FA are useless so you never know.

Middlesboro were docked points in the Premiership a few years ago 'cos they were unable to field a full team (and thus not fulfil a fixture) due to illness. That was harsh. Can't see them being any less lenient with us.
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TBone
Mar 19 2007, 01:41 PM
nrlawton
Mar 18 2007, 09:35 PM
I will be megaly shocked if we do get docked points, I just cant see it happening but we are Birmingham City and the FA are useless so you never know.

Middlesboro were docked points in the Premiership a few years ago 'cos they were unable to field a full team (and thus not fulfil a fixture) due to illness. That was harsh. Can't see them being any less lenient with us.

When was that T Bone?
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Mar 19 2007, 12:42 PM
TBone
Mar 19 2007, 01:41 PM
nrlawton
Mar 18 2007, 09:35 PM
I will be megaly shocked if we do get docked points, I just cant see it happening but we are Birmingham City and the FA are useless so you never know.

Middlesboro were docked points in the Premiership a few years ago 'cos they were unable to field a full team (and thus not fulfil a fixture) due to illness. That was harsh. Can't see them being any less lenient with us.

When was that T Bone?

When Robson was in charge, slightly different scenario though. Boro refused to play after being instructed to by The FA.
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If they treated everyone the same in this sort of situation, Shrewsbury would be in the Unibond League
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Cheers Blues. **thumbup
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nrlawton
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TBone
Mar 19 2007, 12:41 PM
nrlawton
Mar 18 2007, 09:35 PM
I will be megaly shocked if we do get docked points, I just cant see it happening but we are Birmingham City and the FA are useless so you never know.

Middlesboro were docked points in the Premiership a few years ago 'cos they were unable to field a full team (and thus not fulfil a fixture) due to illness. That was harsh. Can't see them being any less lenient with us.

No but they could of put their youngsters out and played and they would have stayed up, they just didnt turn up atleast we gave enough time to say look we cant play on it. We were trying to do the best thing possible and we were ill advised plus from what I know sullivan cant control the weather.
I think it will be very harsh if they docked us points.
Even if they decided to couldnt we appeal and then it would get taken of just like in Italy, at least we haven't tryed to fix matches (from what I know of).
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Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:
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Think back to 1998 - Chelsea beat Middlesbrough in the final, and also won the Cup Winners Cup the same year. They entered the CWC as holders the following year, but Middlebrough did not enter the UEFA Cup in their place
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If you say so, What do I know? Except that I'd swear I remember sitting in the traffic on the way to Cardiff and it was mentioned on the radio, during the manure/bottom-n-all midday game, (The 6-0) that the rules had changed. It caused some "discussion" on the coach at the time amongst the noses who didn't, Know that is. (I'm getting all confused now with me noses who know and knowing about noses who dont.......I'll get me coat)


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I'd just like to point out I never use the word bottom.
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Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 01:35 PM
If you say so, What do I know? Except that I'd swear I remember sitting in the traffic on the way to Cardiff and it was mentioned on the radio, during the manure/bottom-n-all midday game, (The 6-0) that the rules had changed. It caused some "discussion" on the coach at the time amongst the noses who didn't, Know that is. (I'm getting all confused now with me noses who know and knowing about noses who dont.......I'll get me coat)


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I remember that too, which is what made me say it!! They were going to give the place to 7th in the league rather than the runners up?!!

Oh well, lets just pray they dont dock us points, or if they do, lets hope its minus points next year rather than from this years total!!
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nrlawton
Mar 19 2007, 12:50 PM
TBone
Mar 19 2007, 12:41 PM
nrlawton
Mar 18 2007, 09:35 PM
I will be megaly shocked if we do get docked points, I just cant see it happening but we are Birmingham City and the FA are useless so you never know.

Middlesboro were docked points in the Premiership a few years ago 'cos they were unable to field a full team (and thus not fulfil a fixture) due to illness. That was harsh. Can't see them being any less lenient with us.

No but they could of put their youngsters out and played and they would have stayed up, they just didnt turn up atleast we gave enough time to say look we cant play on it. We were trying to do the best thing possible and we were ill advised plus from what I know sullivan cant control the weather.
I think it will be very harsh if they docked us points.
Even if they decided to couldnt we appeal and then it would get taken of just like in Italy, at least we haven't tryed to fix matches (from what I know of).

but they gave less than 24 hours notice - which is the crucial part.

The 24 hour rule is part of the Prems rules I think.

We gave more notice.

So apart from the fact, it was a totally different situation, timewise and reason wise and the fact that it's with another association, Football League instead of Premier League, makes me hope it'll only be a fine.
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Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 12:55 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:

they did change the rules for 1 season only Niwty your right.

The fact they decided on the fate of the Losing League finalists before the season started doesn't matter to the 'conspiracy theorists' though!! :LMAO:
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liamcam1
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If the board can get over £5 mil for Heskey, we can get out of this one no probs, no doubt its just speculation anyhow, wot exactly would they charge us with anyway??? " Re laying a pitch to stop players falling down holes but not being able to control the british weather to ensure sound bonding with the soil underneath???"


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Hey what do you know I got something right for once. (Must show my ex wife this.)

Ok, as the man said when he lost his arms, legs and torso in a cycling accident.
"I think I'll quit while I'm ahead!"


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tim
Mar 19 2007, 04:55 PM
Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 12:55 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:

they did change the rules for 1 season only Niwty your right.

The fact they decided on the fate of the Losing League finalists before the season started doesn't matter to the 'conspiracy theorists' though!! :LMAO:

Are you saying the rules were changed in 2000-2001 for one season only ? If so, how do you explain what I posted above about 1998, and also last year when Wigan were runners up ?
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liamcam1
Mar 19 2007, 05:49 PM
wot exactly would they charge us with anyway???

failing to fulfil a fixture
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Mar 19 2007, 06:38 PM
liamcam1
Mar 19 2007, 05:49 PM
wot exactly would they charge us with anyway???

failing to fulfil a fixture

yes true , what peole ar'nt seeing is we must have asked for permission to relay the pitch , the FA would have asked for a garentee that it would not hamper any games.

we must have gave that garentee.
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Mar 18 2007, 02:03 PM
So the Leeds game was postponed on 12th January and the hearing is on the 20th April. Now unless I'm mistaken that's 98 days to decide if we should be punished. :o

We've got midfield players quicker than that. :D


Jackoblue

Really..........care to name them then :D
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If they dock us points. it will be equal to being given a £30 million fine. because thats what we stand to lose by not making the premiership


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Key thing here is we did not deliberately fail to fulfil the fixture like 'Boro - it was just that the pitch was unplayable.
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For your info....the league cup runners up have never qualified for Europe, it has always gone to the next highest position in the league. Now the FA Cup is a different matter.

I'll tell you when they did change the rules that went against us, twice. season 97-98, it wasn't goal difference but goals scored and Sheff Utd made the play offs at our expense after we could only manage a 0-0 with Charlton....AND....the year we got beat on pens by Preston in the play offs away goals didn't count. First time.

As for docking us points, wouldn't surprise me at all.
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ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 06:28 PM
tim
Mar 19 2007, 04:55 PM
Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 12:55 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:

they did change the rules for 1 season only Niwty your right.

The fact they decided on the fate of the Losing League finalists before the season started doesn't matter to the 'conspiracy theorists' though!! :LMAO:

Are you saying the rules were changed in 2000-2001 for one season only ? If so, how do you explain what I posted above about 1998, and also last year when Wigan were runners up ?

No I'm not saying that it was for 1 year only Ricky.

I'm saying that in the previous year the runners up played in Europe and in the Year after they did also.

But the year we Lost it to Liverpool - we didn't.

So I'm only talking about a specific 3 year period.

When for the 2nd of those years they changed the rules and we didn't get into Europe and then the following year they changed it back.

If we had been the losing finalists a year either side of the year we lost the final we would of played in Europe.

I don't have a clue what happened in 97/98 mate, so you are probably right too.
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tim
Mar 21 2007, 12:30 PM
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Mar 19 2007, 06:28 PM
tim
Mar 19 2007, 04:55 PM
Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 12:55 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:

they did change the rules for 1 season only Niwty your right.

The fact they decided on the fate of the Losing League finalists before the season started doesn't matter to the 'conspiracy theorists' though!! :LMAO:

Are you saying the rules were changed in 2000-2001 for one season only ? If so, how do you explain what I posted above about 1998, and also last year when Wigan were runners up ?

No I'm not saying that it was for 1 year only Ricky.

I'm saying that in the previous year the runners up played in Europe and in the Year after they did also.

But the year we Lost it to Liverpool - we didn't.

So I'm only talking about a specific 3 year period.

When for the 2nd of those years they changed the rules and we didn't get into Europe and then the following year they changed it back.

If we had been the losing finalists a year either side of the year we lost the final we would of played in Europe.

I don't have a clue what happened in 97/98 mate, so you are probably right too.

Sorry to harp on about this but the losing finalists in 2000 were Tranmere and they certainly did not go into Europe.

In 2002 Spurs were runners up, and they also were not in Europe the following year.
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Mar 21 2007, 12:25 PM
tim
Mar 21 2007, 12:30 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 06:28 PM
tim
Mar 19 2007, 04:55 PM
Niwty
Mar 19 2007, 12:55 PM
ricky_rodent
Mar 19 2007, 12:20 PM
The rules were never changed in the year we finished runner up in the League Cup.

Actually I understand they were. Previous runners up were given a UEFA cup slot if the winners qualified for Europe in a different competition. That year, and every season since, the slot was allocated to the 6th placed premiership team.
But please forgive me if I'm mistaken.

Besides, being paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get ya!

Anyway, speculation over. I've found this obscure Newtradamus prediction.

"400 shillings, multiplied by ten,
and again by ten and ten again,
By the end of aries, the Blues will pay
In penalty, for the grass they lay"


:drink:

they did change the rules for 1 season only Niwty your right.

The fact they decided on the fate of the Losing League finalists before the season started doesn't matter to the 'conspiracy theorists' though!! :LMAO:

Are you saying the rules were changed in 2000-2001 for one season only ? If so, how do you explain what I posted above about 1998, and also last year when Wigan were runners up ?

No I'm not saying that it was for 1 year only Ricky.

I'm saying that in the previous year the runners up played in Europe and in the Year after they did also.

But the year we Lost it to Liverpool - we didn't.

So I'm only talking about a specific 3 year period.

When for the 2nd of those years they changed the rules and we didn't get into Europe and then the following year they changed it back.

If we had been the losing finalists a year either side of the year we lost the final we would of played in Europe.

I don't have a clue what happened in 97/98 mate, so you are probably right too.

Sorry to harp on about this but the losing finalists in 2000 were Tranmere and they certainly did not go into Europe.

In 2002 Spurs were runners up, and they also were not in Europe the following year.

Your missing the point that the 'Winner' of the cup must of qualified for Europe by some other means for the 'Loser' to then take their place.

You are correct Tranmere did not play in Europe the following season as Leicester finished 8th in the League (1999/2000) and so they qualified by winning the cup.

Again you are correct that Tottenham didn't play in Europe the following season as Blackburn finished 10th in the League (2001/2002) and so they qualified by winning the cup.

The point is IF Leicester and Blackburn had already qualified for Europe through the league, then Tranmere and Tottenham would of played in Europe even if they lost the final.

In the year we lost it, Liverpool qualified for Europe by finishing 3rd in the Prem.

In the 2 years either side of our cup final the 'Losing finalist' would of Qualified for Europe if the team they played (Leicester and Blackburn) had already qualified.

But in that season 'Our place went' to the highest place team in the Premiership.

Read this BBC article which clearly stats that due to Liverpool winning both Cups that year that 4th, 5th and 6th Qualify for Europe.

Prem run 2001

and don't forget there were only 3 Champions League places back then.

I can tell you with 99.99% certainty of how the Qualification of the League Cup went over those 3 seasons as I was gutted they changed just for the season we got there.

I can't say anything about European qualification before or after those years for the Losing finalists as I don't care as BCFC were not involved. **thumbup
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