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Andy Cole; *Merged Topics*
Topic Started: Mar 21 2007, 05:35 AM (4,724 Views)
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Geoff Horsfield
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Seems odd to me when we have Jerome, DJ, Forsell, Vine and Bendtner and after the Coventry game Macca. :unsure: If I was to get a loan in strikers would be the last thing i'd look at.
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Mar 21 2007, 12:49 PM
Whats the betting that West Brom try to gazump us in revenge for Vine?

Or maybe another of Coles ex team mates in Roy Keane coming in for him?

good shout mate, it always happens to us, when we tell the press about who we are 'going' to sign!
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Mar 21 2007, 10:21 AM
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Mar 21 2007, 10:20 AM
When Ian Rush was playing at Liverpool he was training young lads like Fowler and Owen about being a striker so whats with getting Andrew Cole in to do the same with our YOUNG strikers that we have. This will give them the opportunity to improve imensely.

When we do go up the last thing we want is for a lot of fans to moan that the strikers were too inexperienced to be in the prem! :Blues:

Completely agree, I think Jerome and Bendtner would benefit massively from a striker with some experience.

:angry: wtf** So why should we be bothered about the impact Cole would have on Bendtner... he's off at the end of the season?!?!

Just another example of Bruce completely losing the plot!!! We're thin on the ground in central defence and desperately short of cover left-side (defence and midfield) - we're stacked to the rafters with strikers - so what does he do? Absolutely bl00dy absurd behaviour from our manager!!!

Fact is, Cole is going to expect to play every game (that's why he wants to leave Portsmouth) - and we know Bruce won't leave Bendtner out! So he will just have to de-motivate ANOTHER one of our young strikers by leaving them out of the squad completely... just like he did with DJ Campbell. And if Cole doesn't play every game, he's going to get hacked off... and what do we have then? A hacked-off 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week... and some more of our own strikers hacked off (Vine or Jerome or Campbell or Forsell) and the whole squad becoming de-motivated by having a 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week' in the camp... at just the time when we need solidarity, unity team spirit and motivation!

Well done Bruce!!





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Mar 21 2007, 01:04 PM
Sameth
Mar 21 2007, 10:21 AM
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Mar 21 2007, 10:20 AM
When Ian Rush was playing at Liverpool he was training young lads like Fowler and Owen about being a striker so whats with getting Andrew Cole in to do the same with our YOUNG strikers that we have. This will give them the opportunity to improve imensely.

When we do go up the last thing we want is for a lot of fans to moan that the strikers were too inexperienced to be in the prem! :Blues:

Completely agree, I think Jerome and Bendtner would benefit massively from a striker with some experience.

:angry: wtf** So why should we be bothered about the impact Cole would have on Bendtner... he's off at the end of the season?!?!

Just another example of Bruce completely losing the plot!!! We're thin on the ground in central defence and desperately short of cover left-side (defence and midfield) - we're stacked to the rafters with strikers - so what does he do? Absolutely bl00dy absurd behaviour from our manager!!!

Fact is, Cole is going to expect to play every game (that's why he wants to leave Portsmouth) - and we know Bruce won't leave Bendtner out! So he will just have to de-motivate ANOTHER one of our young strikers by leaving them out of the squad completely... just like he did with DJ Campbell. And if Cole doesn't play every game, he's going to get hacked off... and what do we have then? A hacked-off 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week... and some more of our own strikers hacked off (Vine or Jerome or Campbell or Forsell) and the whole squad becoming de-motivated by having a 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week' in the camp... at just the time when we need solidarity, unity team spirit and motivation!

Well done Bruce!!

that is exsactly what i'm worried about.
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Couldn't be arsed to read pages 3 and 4 but I don't think anyone else mentioned this...

The Idea is that Mikael Forssell is going to go out on loan somewhere for 10 weeks, presumably to a League 1 side because he is not good enough for us. Then, Andy Cole comes in the fill in the gap that Forssell Leaves.
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Mar 21 2007, 01:23 PM
Couldn't be arsed to read pages 3 and 4 but I don't think anyone else mentioned this...

The Idea is that Mikael Forssell is going to go out on loan somewhere for 10 weeks, presumably to a League 1 side because he is not good enough for us. Then, Andy Cole comes in the fill in the gap that Forssell Leaves.

That would make a lot of sense loan out Forssell,who needs games to get fit ,and bring in a super striker in Andrew Cole. **thumbup
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Brummiesteven
Mar 21 2007, 01:23 PM
Andy Cole comes in the fill in the gap that Forssell Leaves.

do you mean the crucial fifth choice reserve gap ?
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Brummiesteven
Mar 21 2007, 01:23 PM
Couldn't be arsed to read pages 3 and 4 but I don't think anyone else mentioned this...

The Idea is that Mikael Forssell is going to go out on loan somewhere for 10 weeks, presumably to a League 1 side because he is not good enough for us. Then, Andy Cole comes in the fill in the gap that Forssell Leaves.

I reckon some one else has :P
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Haven't read all the posts but here's my two penneth!

Blues are not exactly scoring loads of goals at the moment and if we can get someone like Cole in who has goal scoring ability in abundance and he gets the important goals that gains us our Premiership status back then this will be an excellent peice of business.

I am interested in some posters who seem concerned about demotivating the young strikers we have at the club. Whilst they have promise how demotivated do these posters feel these stikers will feel if we miss promotion. In addition if the current strikers were scoring the goals then Bruce would not have to look at loaning Cole, I would feel demotivated as a forward if I was scoring goals and got replaced by cole, if I wasn't scoring goals and he was brought in I would just be glad I wasn't being let go for not doing my job!!!!!!!

Don't get to sensitive people the main thing is to get back in the Prem, personally I don't care how we achieve that or who's nose is put out of joint!

KRO
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Mar 21 2007, 01:04 PM
Sameth
Mar 21 2007, 10:21 AM
scottks
Mar 21 2007, 10:20 AM
When Ian Rush was playing at Liverpool he was training young lads like Fowler and Owen about being a striker so whats with getting Andrew Cole in to do the same with our YOUNG strikers that we have. This will give them the opportunity to improve imensely.

When we do go up the last thing we want is for a lot of fans to moan that the strikers were too inexperienced to be in the prem! :Blues:

Completely agree, I think Jerome and Bendtner would benefit massively from a striker with some experience.

:angry: wtf** So why should we be bothered about the impact Cole would have on Bendtner... he's off at the end of the season?!?!

Just another example of Bruce completely losing the plot!!! We're thin on the ground in central defence and desperately short of cover left-side (defence and midfield) - we're stacked to the rafters with strikers - so what does he do? Absolutely bl00dy absurd behaviour from our manager!!!

Fact is, Cole is going to expect to play every game (that's why he wants to leave Portsmouth) - and we know Bruce won't leave Bendtner out! So he will just have to de-motivate ANOTHER one of our young strikers by leaving them out of the squad completely... just like he did with DJ Campbell. And if Cole doesn't play every game, he's going to get hacked off... and what do we have then? A hacked-off 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week... and some more of our own strikers hacked off (Vine or Jerome or Campbell or Forsell) and the whole squad becoming de-motivated by having a 'has been' on G0d knows how much a week' in the camp... at just the time when we need solidarity, unity team spirit and motivation!

Well done Bruce!!

I wish I could predict the future like you.

Any chance you could see the lottery numbers? ;)
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Cole is a TOP professional and any player who isn't playing is going to be annoyed, dissapointed, whatever, they shouldn't be playing pro football if they like sitting on the bench.

I doubt very much Cole will come here like some big time mardy bum demanding this, that and the other and if he don't hes going to cause a load of trouble. It can only be a good thing to sign a top player, and top pro with his experience.
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Mar 21 2007, 12:47 PM
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Mar 21 2007, 11:23 AM
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Mar 21 2007, 11:01 AM
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Mar 21 2007, 08:43 AM
What a waste of time, we don't need another aging striker on absurd money (Chris Sutton anyone?), as we already have 4 fit strikers! Bruce needs to figure out how to get the best out of those, rather than get someone else in! wtf**

qft

qft?? What does that mean?

Thats what I was wondering. Am i too old already?? :crying:

Hah, I bet I'm older than you two put together....


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I can't get my head around sigining yet another striker, i could understand if were missing lots of chances and our strikers were not up to it but the truth is we are not creating anything like enough chances which is surely down to the weak defence being backed up by the midfield thus midfielders dont attack enough.
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Mar 21 2007, 01:57 PM
Haven't read all the posts but here's my two penneth!

Blues are not exactly scoring loads of goals at the moment and if we can get someone like Cole in who has goal scoring ability in abundance and he gets the important goals that gains us our Premiership status back then this will be an excellent peice of business.

I am interested in some posters who seem concerned about demotivating the young strikers we have at the club. Whilst they have promise how demotivated do these posters feel these stikers will feel if we miss promotion. In addition if the current strikers were scoring the goals then Bruce would not have to look at loaning Cole, I would feel demotivated as a forward if I was scoring goals and got replaced by cole, if I wasn't scoring goals and he was brought in I would just be glad I wasn't being let go for not doing my job!!!!!!!

Don't get to sensitive people the main thing is to get back in the Prem, personally I don't care how we achieve that or who's nose is put out of joint!

KRO

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i think some people have a blind spot about forsell !!

bruce has obv had a look at him since he came back and despite the spin "hes the best i have seen him look etc " he has come to the conclusion that he isnt the player he was and is not going to contribute to us getting up this season !!

he is looking to loan him out
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Certainly, up to a point, but to some extent you can create your own chances - it's not as if we laid chance after chance on a plate for the Force in his 20 goal Prem season - but as I say, it's also a striker's movement/runs that play a big part in creating chances, rather than just the midfield. Do they have the experience and/or natuaral instinct to make the right runs at the right time, regularly making themselves available in space in dangerous areas, anticipating breaks/opportunities etc... Cole might provide a good example to the others here.
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Mar 21 2007, 12:11 PM
Smart move.

He has played with strikers of all different types throughout his career and he'll know exactly how to adapt his game to each of the different types we have at the club. He's a model pro who's always looked after himself and he's scored goals in very limited opportunities at Portsmouth, he'll be able to score goals at this level easy.

Another defender would also be nice, but as said above, the only player I can think of that we realistically could have targeted, Gardner at Spurs, is a key part of their squad now due to injuries, so they wouldn't let him leave.

EDIT: Now here's a brainwave. People are crying out for a creative midfielder who can pick a pass. Well, what about

----- Cole ---------------- Jerome/Vine/DJC ---------

---------------- Bendtner ------------------------------

- Larsson ------------------------------- Johnson -----

---------------- Clemence -----------------------------

Whilst McSheffrey and Gray are suspended.

Bendtner would end up like Dunn in that he won't track back when needed

1. DJ Campbell should be starting

19 appearances, 14 of them as sub and he's scored 10 goals!

2. we should really be focusing more on the midfield area, not enough goals come from midfield (except McSheffrey)

3. if Sadler gets injured now then god help us

4. Andy Cole, while i rate him highly. we should have signed him January last season. is he really needed now? he could well end up like Nicky Butt.

5. Bendtner should go back to Arsenal. he knows he already has a future at Arsenal and it'd be crazy to think he'd ever give 100% now. he's scored just 1 goal in the last 18 games yet he still starts? play the players who are going to be here next season!

6. this story is on Teletext and Ceefax so it's not just a rumour
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jerome and cole up front looks like a good set up to me !!

he is a class act

till the end of the season !! i dont see a downside

we are going to upset strikers who aint scoring ? so what

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Mar 21 2007, 02:23 PM
I can't get my head around sigining yet another striker, i could understand if were missing lots of chances and our strikers were not up to it but the truth is we are not creating anything like enough chances which is surely down to the weak defence being backed up by the midfield thus midfielders dont attack enough.

This is the key point for me (although not sure about the weak defence).

As in past seasons our strikers have existed on scraps as we have failed to create chances from midfield... Pandiani, Sutton, Blake, Vine, Campbell, Heskey, Morrison, John, Yorke, Jerome, Bendtner... Cole is just going to be another one to add to the list...
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its all a matter of opinion

i agree our midfield lacks a passer BUT mr b is not going to change his mind on that !! right or wrong

i think that sometimes our forwards make our midfield look bad or rather worse than they are ..by not making good enough or in the case of bentdner (and i think he is a wonderful talent) no run at all !!!

coles movement is and alwayd has been first class
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Simple facts:
Our defence has proven itself good enough this season. We even won games when Tebily played.
Our tactics are too. We don't concede many goals, we are difficult to break down. Bet West Brom wish they were. All this guff about a 'creative' midfielder - who? We don't need one. You need strength and Koumas, the best there is, plays for another club.
When we went top in Oct./Nov, the front three were firing. They are not now.
Forssell isn't right, isn't ready.
Cole is the perfect sort of player we need - a goalscorer. None of the others are genuine goalscorers, Forssell apart - but three seasons ago, not now.
I think this signing could make all the difference. The other strikers are off the boil, young and inexperienced and do not have the quality Cole has. Cannot believe people are criticising this signing.
Assuming our defence stays solid, then Cole can take the chances that have gone begging, turning 1-0s or salvaging draws into 2-0s so stopping panic and edginess.
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Mar 21 2007, 03:08 PM
None of the others are genuine goalscorers

Vine was a genuine goalscorer at Luton. Jerome was a genuine goalscorer at Cardiff. DJC was a genuine goalscorer at Brentford. Anyone spot the trend ?

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Mar 21 2007, 04:08 PM
Simple facts:
Our defence has proven itself good enough this season. We even won games when Tebily played.
Our tactics are too. We don't concede many goals, we are difficult to break down. Bet West Brom wish they were. All this guff about a 'creative' midfielder - who? We don't need one. You need strength and Koumas, the best there is, plays for another club.
When we went top in Oct./Nov, the front three were firing. They are not now.
Forssell isn't right, isn't ready.
Cole is the perfect sort of player we need - a goalscorer. None of the others are genuine goalscorers, Forssell apart - but three seasons ago, not now.
I think this signing could make all the difference. The other strikers are off the boil, young and inexperienced and do not have the quality Cole has. Cannot believe people are criticising this signing.
Assuming our defence stays solid, then Cole can take the chances that have gone begging, turning 1-0s or salvaging draws into 2-0s so stopping panic and edginess.

Read all the posts on here and this is the best one imo. :applause:

O'h and by the way I cannot believe some of the Contradictary posts from some on here. wtf**
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Why are strikers the most expensive players? Simple - because they score goals and goals win matches. As others have said Forrsell WAS a goalscorer - not his fault he's had several serious injuries; CJ - WAS a goalscorer at Cardiff but just 'aint doing it for us; Bentner - gone off the boil; DJC - not really given a proper chance but not proved himself yet; Vine - one goal so far. We're not scoring enough at the moment so I have no problem with us bringing in a proven and quality goalscorer in Andrew Cole.
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