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Andy Cole; *Merged Topics*
Topic Started: Mar 21 2007, 05:35 AM (4,719 Views)
Wisel
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Hooby Groovy
Mar 22 2007, 12:09 PM
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and if he provides the goals within that 2 year period i see no harm in that - he keeps himself very fit, is very mobile and is a PROVEN prem goalscorer - where else do we have one of those, assuming we're writing the forss off?


I guess its a matter of trust Proccy

You're right, in isolation Cole is a good short-term signing, it might even work over a couple of seasons.

My point is that, left unchecked, I have no confidence in Bruce to not see this as a tipping point and on promotion not to go out with a bulging transfer kitty and a shopping list that is largely made-up of the type of waster that performed so abysmally last season.

I'm sorry its so cynical, but my imagination sees Bruce with one eye on the league table and another on the phone numbers for Denis Irwin and Gary Pallister, in case they fancy another crack at the Premier league.

I think we all know about your lack of confidence HG.

Will you never give the man an even break? Will he never be able to change your mind? How many things does he have to achieve before you let up on your campaign?

As I said last time on the subject of your apparent need to prove yourself right. Isn't it time just to get behind the team and not keep dragging the old Bruce Out banner out every time things go slightly wrong, or in this case when you think that possibly in the future, if the wind is blowing in the wrong direction things might be done that might not suit your set of infallible traps for Bruce that might then just prove you were right in the first place when you said Bruce Out?
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bornblues64
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Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

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Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

That was one chance the forwards had in the whole 90mins. One chance. ....and the ball was so close to the keeper, the keeper almost got it before the forward. What about the rest of the game, when our midfield failed to conjure up anything else.

If our forwards, were missing chance after chance you could understand your arguement. But they are not!
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bornblues64
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Mar 22 2007, 11:32 AM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

That was one chance the forwards had in the whole 90mins. One chance. ....and the ball was so close to the keeper, the keeper almost got it before the forward. What about the rest of the game, when our midfield failed to conjure up anything else.

If our forwards, were missing chance after chance you could understand your arguement. But they are not!

Well the midfield managed to conjure up the equaliser??
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Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

You cant criticise Vine for that volley?! He did everything right, good connection, volleyed it down etc. He was just unlucky. That's a bit of a side issue anyway, and i do see your point.

I think Cole is a great signing. Our strikers could learn from him after one training session IMO so a few months would be even better. I do think it's not just our forward line however and our midfield does need to be providing more service. McShef is the only one that does, Clem, DJ, Muamba are all too defensive and Larsson has had a dp in form over the past month or so. Perhaps sign Teddy Sheringham to play just behind Cole?!!! If we can have another loan signing that is. Plus wouldn't we qualify then as an old people's home and can claim government funding??!!
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Wisel
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Four goals in nine starts for Pompey is pretty good even if he is down the pecking order. He may well be down the order for other reasons rather than not being one of the prime choices anyway.
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bornblues64
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I just think it will be great for our young players to learn from Cole, just think about it, Dj Campbell driving a van 2 years back plucked from Brentford to Blues and now lining up with Andy Cole, he must think hes dreaming.

I dont like Bruce but im with him on this one and after all we all want one thing badly to get out of this hotch potch league and having a presence like Andy Cole on the pitch can only help, i bet if he had signed for Coventry we would all be worrying now how our defence is going to cope with him.
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True Blue 32
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Well stuff all the some people, I for one are over the moon with this signing.

FFS Let the guy kick a ball before you slate him.

The amount of so-called experts on this message board who are apparently Blues fans, that seem to take a great deal of joy in knocking all players (before they have even kicked a ball for us) absolutely amazes me. :banghead:

I feel more confident of going up with some-one such as Cole up front as opposed to some of our younger stikers, this is not meant as a dig at them, i just feel that Cole has been there, done it and wore the T-Shirt, and he will have an older, calmer head on his shoulders.

This will assist the younger players around him, a lot of our first team haven't been in this position before, hence the pressure and intensity of the run-in may get to one or two of them, causing them to choke and maybe not play to their full potential.

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Hooby Groovy
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As I said last time on the subject of your apparent need to prove yourself right. Isn't it time just to get behind the team and not keep dragging the old Bruce Out banner out every time things go slightly wrong, or in this case when you think that possibly in the future, if the wind is blowing in the wrong direction things might be done that might not suit your set of infallible traps for Bruce that might then just prove you were right in the first place when you said Bruce Out?


You're probably correct Wisel, I sometimes do see some things wrong that I would probably give other managers a break with. However, on this occasion I've had a good think about it and I do sincerely have concerns that we're proceeding down a well-worn path.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, the Cole signing in isolation isn't a problem, I am more worried about the long-term implications of a transfer policy that was (by Bruce's own admission) wrong. I think its no coincidence that these players are friends of Bruce.

Whether I am right or wrong I actually think its a positive thing to actually fire a warning shot across the bows of Steve Bruce, just let him know (if he takes any notice of this board, which I doubt) that he is being watched and the horrendous errors of last season will not be tolerated (well by me anyway, I get the impression you would congratulate him if he walked on the pitch, lowered his trousers and showed the words 'Wisel is buffoon' tattooed on his backside).

In terms of Bruce himself, I did actually congratulate him on his substitutions on Sunday, which you conveniently forget. Perhaps when waxing lyrical on my supposed hate campaign against Bruce you might just stop to consider your continued campaign against myself and your efforts to brow-beat me in to silence.

In short, the Cole signing is probably the good thing, the precedent it sets is perhaps a little worrying.
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bornblues64
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Mar 22 2007, 11:46 AM
Well stuff all the some people, I for one are over the moon with this signing.

FFS Let the guy kick a ball before you slate him.

The amount of so-called experts on this message board who are apparently Blues fans, that seem to take a great deal of joy in knocking all players (before they have even kicked a ball for us) absolutely amazes me. :banghead:

I feel more confident of going up with some-one such as Cole up front as opposed to some of our younger stikers, this is not meant as a dig at them, i just feel that Cole has been there, done it and wore the T-Shirt, and he will have an older, calmer head on his shoulders.

This will assist the younger players around him, a lot of our first team haven't been in this position before, hence the pressure and intensity of the run-in may get to one or two of them, causing them to choke and maybe not play to their full potential.

:applause: :applause:
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True Blue 32
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bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 12:43 PM
I just think it will be great for our young players to learn from Cole, just think about it, Dj Campbell driving a van 2 years back plucked from Brentford to Blues and now lining up with Andy Cole, he must think hes dreaming.

I dont like Bruce but im with him on this one and after all we all want one thing badly to get out of this hotch potch league and having a presence like Andy Cole on the pitch can only help, i bet if he had signed for Coventry we would all be worrying now how our defence is going to cope with him.

How true is that last statement.

I live in Coventry and i was having my haircut yesterday when it came on the local radio. I obviously didn't hear the radio correctly and only caught part of the story, because i was sure they had said it was Coventry that had signed him and i thought to myself, "well prior to that news i was fairly confident of playing Coventry but you just go and watch him score against us now!"

Needless to say i was far happier when i logged onto .com and found it was us that had signed him! :D
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bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:48 AM
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Mar 22 2007, 11:46 AM
Well stuff all the some people, I for one are over the moon with this signing.

FFS Let the guy kick a ball before you slate him.

The amount of so-called experts on this message board who are apparently Blues fans, that seem to take a great deal of joy in knocking all players (before they have even kicked a ball for us) absolutely amazes me. :banghead:

I feel more confident of going up with some-one such as Cole up front as opposed to some of our younger stikers, this is not meant as a dig at them, i just feel that Cole has been there, done it and wore the T-Shirt, and he will have an older, calmer head on his shoulders.

This will assist the younger players around him, a lot of our first team haven't been in this position before, hence the pressure and intensity of the run-in may get to one or two of them, causing them to choke and maybe not play to their full potential.

:applause: :applause:

:applause: :applause: Amen. Some sense at last.
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Mar 22 2007, 11:46 AM
Well stuff all the some people, I for one are over the moon with this signing.

FFS Let the guy kick a ball before you slate him.

The amount of so-called experts on this message board who are apparently Blues fans, that seem to take a great deal of joy in knocking all players (before they have even kicked a ball for us) absolutely amazes me. :banghead:

I feel more confident of going up with some-one such as Cole up front as opposed to some of our younger stikers, this is not meant as a dig at them, i just feel that Cole has been there, done it and wore the T-Shirt, and he will have an older, calmer head on his shoulders.

This will assist the younger players around him, a lot of our first team haven't been in this position before, hence the pressure and intensity of the run-in may get to one or two of them, causing them to choke and maybe not play to their full potential.

great post, and remember one thing - the stick sb got when signing the "younger, untried" players during the close season and since then. you can't win with some of the moaners on here; the youngsters are untried at higher levels and were so criticised, now they're criticising the one player we have who has done it at the very highest levels...mentallists and detractors from what the club is trying to achieve imo...
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bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:35 AM
Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 11:32 AM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

That was one chance the forwards had in the whole 90mins. One chance. ....and the ball was so close to the keeper, the keeper almost got it before the forward. What about the rest of the game, when our midfield failed to conjure up anything else.

If our forwards, were missing chance after chance you could understand your arguement. But they are not!

Well the midfield managed to conjure up the equaliser??

They scored it. They didn't create of conjure up another chance for the forwards!


Hand on your heart, DJ could attempt that over and over, he'd never connect with it again like he did.
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Wisel
Mar 22 2007, 09:06 AM
tevets
Mar 22 2007, 09:20 AM
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Mar 22 2007, 08:17 AM
alfred E nueman
Mar 22 2007, 12:48 AM
May not be his last pay packet, but it'll be a good 'un from an old mate who knows people with deep pockets.

Again.

So, the big summer plan of young and hungry is collapsing about his ears, what does he do?

SPEND MONEY.

Weren't we losing £4million three months ago?
Weren't our attendances crippling the club financially?
Weren't our players and manager too expensive ?

Thank you Rowan, Mikael, DJC, Jerome...we can make do from here with two loanees. He might be on treble your wages, but you watch him rattle in three goals before May.

Bruce is clueless and desperate.

So exactly who should we have signed at this time of the season then?

Someone who creates chances would seem to have been the obvious deficiency to fill, seen as the reason for not scoring is the lack of chances we create.

The significant chances we get each game and do not convert argues with your point tevets. Look at he WBA game, we could have been 2 to 3 nil up before the baggies scored hade we been able to put the ball away.

We must, as usual, watch different games. We hade one clear chance in the whole game and their keeper made a great save.

If you look at the BBC reports they always show us with about the lowest attempts at goal in the division.

We have had the same problem of low goal scoring for years and for the same reasons. Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.
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A lot of the pro-Cole signing posts make a lot of sense (although they sound very similar to the Sutton posts last year). On the whole a squad with Cole is probably stronger than a squad without Cole. My concern is that I have not heard brucie mention - or even hint at - the need to bring in a more experienced striker alongside the 4 fit ones that he already has. Were we looking for another striker or did Redknapp/Cole's agent see a chance to offload him for a few months ? We shouldn't be a resting place for brucie's ex teammates (Butt, Yorke, now Cole).
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tevets
Mar 22 2007, 12:38 PM
Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.

exactly - and andy cole makes the runs that midfielders love, he is intelligent and a natural predator within the 25yd area. not only will he contribute goals, he brings experience the younger kids can't buy and a cool head in a heated situation. he may well be just what the doctor ordered, and i for one wish him well even if that upsets the anti sb mob.... ;)
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Hooby Groovy
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A lot of the pro-Cole signing posts make a lot of sense (although they sound very similar to the Sutton posts last year). On the whole a squad with Cole is probably stronger than a squad without Cole. My concern is that I have not heard brucie mention - or even hint at - the need to bring in a more experienced striker alongside the 4 fit ones that he already has. Were we looking for another striker or did Redknapp/Cole's agent see a chance to offload him for a few months ? We shouldn't be a resting place for brucie's ex teammates (Butt, Yorke, now Cole).


Exactly my point, I've not seen many people saying Cole is a bad player. Even simply signing Cole to not play him but to keep him from Sunderland, Derby or Wolves even makes long-term sense.

The problem lies with trust, and sorry to labour the point, but for many of us we have been here before and its going to take a long time for that trust to return.

My guess is that these grumbles will continue, thats not to say there is anything wrong with Bruce, Cole or the decision to sign Cole - but the distrust remains.

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bornblues64
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Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 12:31 PM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:35 AM
Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 11:32 AM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

That was one chance the forwards had in the whole 90mins. One chance. ....and the ball was so close to the keeper, the keeper almost got it before the forward. What about the rest of the game, when our midfield failed to conjure up anything else.

If our forwards, were missing chance after chance you could understand your arguement. But they are not!

Well the midfield managed to conjure up the equaliser??

They scored it. They didn't create of conjure up another chance for the forwards!


Hand on your heart, DJ could attempt that over and over, he'd never connect with it again like he did.

How cynical Dj is the new Zidane its just took years to appear!!!
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bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 01:04 PM
Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 12:31 PM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:35 AM
Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 11:32 AM
bornblues64
Mar 22 2007, 11:29 AM
Everybody is going on about a service problem but when you see a player like Vine fail to score from 3 yards out against the Albion you can see why Bruce has got in a player who can take his chances.

Anyway if Blues did have playmakers in abundance in midfield a lot of you would be moaning that they dont track back etc

That was one chance the forwards had in the whole 90mins. One chance. ....and the ball was so close to the keeper, the keeper almost got it before the forward. What about the rest of the game, when our midfield failed to conjure up anything else.

If our forwards, were missing chance after chance you could understand your arguement. But they are not!

Well the midfield managed to conjure up the equaliser??

They scored it. They didn't create of conjure up another chance for the forwards!


Hand on your heart, DJ could attempt that over and over, he'd never connect with it again like he did.

How cynical Dj is the new Zidane its just took years to appear!!!

Heres hoping! :banner:
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Baybluesman
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All this distrust stuff, and the references to Butt and Yorke, well lets just hope that this additional insurance cover turns out to be third time lucky, and as for the cost 20k per week that's been quoted,that is chicken s**t if it ensures automatic promotion.
Cole is a big game player and will keep his head amongst these lads, what the doubters have keep is a sense of proportion...
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I don't think you'll find many doubters, they will all agree, Cole is a good signing, but if he doesn't get decent service, even he will struggle to score. If you don't get the ball, you can't shoot.

Bruce has just papered over the cracks, and not tried to rectify a service problem. So he stills needs to work on that department. But cole certainly only needs half chances to score.
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Mar 22 2007, 12:41 PM
A lot of the pro-Cole signing posts make a lot of sense (although they sound very similar to the Sutton posts last year). On the whole a squad with Cole is probably stronger than a squad without Cole. My concern is that I have not heard brucie mention - or even hint at - the need to bring in a more experienced striker alongside the 4 fit ones that he already has. Were we looking for another striker or did Redknapp/Cole's agent see a chance to offload him for a few months ? We shouldn't be a resting place for brucie's ex teammates (Butt, Yorke, now Cole).

But if Bruce had come out three days ago and said "we're thinking of signing Andy Cole" then there would have been a raft of posts criticising him for giving away our targets to our rivals.

All I can see from this is that Bruce has recognised that the team aren't scoring enough goals, the stats back that up for this year, as do the Bruce Out brigade constantly, and he has bought in a player with a proven track record of scoring goals, wherever he has played.

However I fully expect to see him getting slated if Cole fails to score against Coventry (and probably if he does as well), and I'm sure Bruce is ready for it too.
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Here's one for the statto's, Cole has scored in three of the five matches he has started this season, He's also as fit as a butchers dog, I'm over the mooooon about this signing. :banner:
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Mar 22 2007, 11:48 AM
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Mar 22 2007, 11:46 AM
Well stuff all the some people, I for one are over the moon with this signing.

FFS Let the guy kick a ball before you slate him.

The amount of so-called experts on this message board who are apparently Blues fans, that seem to take a great deal of joy in knocking all players (before they have even kicked a ball for us) absolutely amazes me. :banghead:

I feel more confident of going up with some-one such as Cole up front as opposed to some of our younger stikers, this is not meant as a dig at them, i just feel that Cole has been there, done it and wore the T-Shirt, and he will have an older, calmer head on his shoulders.

This will assist the younger players around him, a lot of our first team haven't been in this position before, hence the pressure and intensity of the run-in may get to one or two of them, causing them to choke and maybe not play to their full potential.

:applause: :applause:

:LMAO:
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