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It Must Be A Combination Of ...; ... VINE, JEROME AND DJC
Topic Started: Mar 22 2007, 09:36 AM (749 Views)
jujhimup
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for me personally.

these 3 lads, and of course the forse when he is fit ... are the immediate future of our strikeforce, and IMO should be used.
bendtner? yes he's talented ... but his heart isnt it. ive never met the lad but you can see it from the stands! head down, trotting along ...

andy cole. yes, he's experienced, and yes he scores goals ... but i will be disappointed to see him start every game .... no doubt with bendtner. two loanees?

what is bruce planning to do up front IF we do go up? sign another loanee?

i just think it's short term thinking. we need to get the young lads playing, gaining experience, and gaining confidence.

am i on my own here?
id like to see some sort of long term plan to mould and build a team ... not a patchwork of loaness etc that will be changed every 6 months/transfer window.

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opinions?
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doc nick
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no your not mate.

SB always does this remember mozza and heskey in our third season?

we have good forwards that can score but if you dont use them properly then you wont get anywhere.

jerome 19 goals last season and age was'nt a problem but it now is mm funny that.

vine 15 goals this season alone not settling.

our forwards are'nt the problem i reckon it's our style of football.
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Cole is a good addition, and no doubt he makes us stronger. No-one can deny that. But its how Bruce uses him and whether he will make a difference. He won't get service on a plate., like he has in the past.

At the moment, Brucies actions point to low confidence in his current crop of strikers.
We haven't been scoring goals, so its the strikers fault. - That would be true if the strikers had been missing chances. But we're not! they don't miss a hatfull of chances. We just don't create chances for them. Its been evident since the Luton game.

During the great run we had, our strikers got decent service, despite being outplayed in some games. More recently McSheff has looked tired, not been his creative self, had a 3 game ban, and the drop off has been evident. That coupled with Larssons, lack of starting appearances has robbed the team of what creativity and assists these two actually have on the team. How many assists, have Clemence and Muamba got this season? Who else has stepped up to replace the creativity and assists of these two?

Our goal scoring problems lie elsewhere other than the strikers.....and i fear once again, Bruce is papering over the cracks, instead of finding the root of the problem and tackling it.

Hopefully, McSheff will come back like the one we know and love, Larsson will get more games on the rightwing, so we'll get a width back and we'll start banging the goals in, whoevers upfront.
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jujhimup
Mar 22 2007, 09:36 AM
for me personally.

these 3 lads, and of course the forse when he is fit ... are the immediate future of our strikeforce, and IMO should be used.
bendtner? yes he's talented ... but his heart isnt it. ive never met the lad but you can see it from the stands! head down, trotting along ...

andy cole. yes, he's experienced, and yes he scores goals ... but i will be disappointed to see him start every game .... no doubt with bendtner. two loanees?

what is bruce planning to do up front IF we do go up? sign another loanee?

i just think it's short term thinking. we need to get the young lads playing, gaining experience, and gaining confidence.

am i on my own here?
id like to see some sort of long term plan to mould and build a team ... not a patchwork of loaness etc that will be changed every 6 months/transfer window.

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opinions?

No... you're not on your own. I agree totally with what you say... but be careful because you'll get told off by the 'good eggs' for being negative!
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Mar 22 2007, 10:01 AM

Our goal scoring problems lie elsewhere other than the strikers.....and i fear once again, Bruce is papering over the cracks, instead of finding the root of the problem and tackling it.

Hopefully, McSheff will come back like the one we know and love, Larsson will get more games on the rightwing, so we'll get a width back and we'll start banging the goals in, whoevers upfront.

**thumbup well said :Blues:
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djmmusic
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We've got 7 games left. Rowan Vine is on 9 Yellow cards. Forssell won't be fully fit again till next season, Bendtner has lost his edge (as all strikers do from time to time), and Gary McSheffrey still has 1 more match ban to serve. DJ Campbell is fine but as a pairing, not a lone striker (so he wouldn't be much use under scenarios the above could lead to).
Furthermore McSheffrey's replacement, Julian Gray is due to serve at least a 1 match ban.

£35million of TV money is at stake. 30,000 expectant fans want an instant return to the Premiership.

So it doesn't take a mathematician to work out why we have signed an extra striker. Not just any old striker.

The Premiership's second highest EVER goalscorer (second only to Alan Shearer) has just joined our club. A player who by all accounts is anything but a journeyman. He's here to play the football he so desires to play.

Very wise move IMO. :Blues:
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jujhimup
Mar 22 2007, 09:36 AM
id like to see some sort of long term plan to mould and build a team ... not a patchwork of loaness etc that will be changed every 6 months/transfer window.

Yes, a long-term plan would be a wonderful thing. But, simply put, Steve Bruce does not have the time to initiate a long-term plan, because the fanbase at this club is demanding short-term goals are met. He has to attempt to balance the two, which he is doing with a blend of young players who have a bright future ahead of them (Larsson, McSheffrey, Jerome, Sadler) with older heads, players with the experience to know what to do in pressurised situations where immediate results are of absolutely vital importance (N'Gotty, the Taylors, Clemence, and now Cole).

Sure it would be lovely to watch this side blossom without the pressures of immediate deadlines and given two or three years together there are players at this club now who will be capable of playing international football or not far off, but the deadline Bruce faces isn't two or three years down the line. His deadline is May.

If he hasn't got a side together by then that's capable of the short-term objective, promotion, then there's no point in a long-term plan because he'll be out the door. And then a new manager comes in with his own ideas and another twelve months to mould a side in his own image and it all starts again.

We as fans can't have it both ways. We want to see a young side grow and improve, but we don't want to be in this division any longer than we have to be. Bruce has decided, rightly in my book, to address the second of those more prominently than the first.
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jujhimup Posted: Mar 22 2007, 09:36 AM 


what is bruce planning to do up front IF we do go up? sign another loanee?

i just think it's short term thinking. we need to get the young lads playing, gaining experience, and gaining confidence.

am i on my own here?



No you ain't alone, but you can expect some abuse along the way, because we are in an automatic promotion spot and that means we are going up, and etc etc

I don't think Bruce has a clue about next season, especially if we go up.
It's all about short term-ism.

When he was in his back-to-the-wall phase, and we began that run, we were playing with a kind of style and confidence, but then we changed after Luton, after Ipswich after Southend. Over 5 weeks and about 3 games the confidence went.

We play like theres a dead hand over us.
Like 12 months ago.

And the manager that said he was buying no more big names has gone into reverse on that as well.

You ain't alone man **thumbup
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who nose
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doc nick
Mar 22 2007, 09:44 AM
no your not mate.

SB always does this remember mozza and heskey in our third season?

we have good forwards that can score but if you dont use them properly then you wont get anywhere.

jerome 19 goals last season and age was'nt a problem but it now is mm funny that.

vine 15 goals this season alone not settling.

our forwards are'nt the problem i reckon it's our style of football.

Ere we go again. Another chance to bash Bruce.

If Cole had been signed by one of our rivals you would be moaning that Blues didn't go for him.

He's a good addition and should play for his experience and ability to hold the ball up, if not for his fantastic ability to score goals out of nothing. Lately our forwards have ben lacking in that area. Give Cole the support and get off Bruce's back.
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who nose
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Loz.JBB.
Mar 22 2007, 02:15 PM
Bookemdanno
Mar 22 2007, 10:01 AM

Our goal scoring problems lie elsewhere other than the strikers.....and i fear once again,  Bruce is papering over the cracks, instead of finding the root of the problem and tackling it.

Hopefully, McSheff will come back like the one we know and love, Larsson will get more games on the rightwing, so we'll get a width back and we'll start banging the goals in, whoevers upfront.

**thumbup well said :Blues:

Rubbish
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Bluebird
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who nose Posted on Mar 22 2007, 03:05 PM
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(Loz.JBB. @ Mar 22 2007, 02:15 PM)
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(Bookemdanno @ Mar 22 2007, 10:01 AM)

Our goal scoring problems lie elsewhere other than the strikers.....and i fear once again,  Bruce is papering over the cracks, instead of finding the root of the problem and tackling it.

Hopefully, McSheff will come back like the one we know and love, Larsson will get more games on the rightwing, so we'll get a width back and we'll start banging the goals in, whoevers upfront.


well said


Rubbish

Can you please explain why you think these posts are rubbish?
Maybe you can offer constructive criticism of what has been said!
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christovskiblue
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people will accuse brucie no matter what he does, while iv given him knocks in the past no one can fault him for going out and getting one of the most prolific strikers in prem history...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see why....Bendtner is lazy and losing his edge,Forssell is finished imo, Jerome for all his good effort and work cant stick the ball in the net and Vine isnt setting the world alight either altho imo he's a crackin little player....the only striker who seems to be a proper goalscorer is DJC and he's never played FFS lol...The main four in contention have gotta be Jerome,Cole,DJC and Vine unfortunalty the starting 2 will probably be Bendtner and Cole with Jerome and DJC on the bench,Vine starting on the left of midfield...Cole and Jerome/DJC for me tho, Jerome would do the running for the both of em!!! :drink:
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franscar
Mar 22 2007, 02:34 PM
jujhimup
Mar 22 2007, 09:36 AM
id like to see some sort of long term plan to mould and build a team ... not a patchwork of loaness etc that will be changed every 6 months/transfer window.

Yes, a long-term plan would be a wonderful thing. But, simply put, Steve Bruce does not have the time to initiate a long-term plan, because the fanbase at this club is demanding short-term goals are met. He has to attempt to balance the two, which he is doing with a blend of young players who have a bright future ahead of them (Larsson, McSheffrey, Jerome, Sadler) with older heads, players with the experience to know what to do in pressurised situations where immediate results are of absolutely vital importance (N'Gotty, the Taylors, Clemence, and now Cole).

Sure it would be lovely to watch this side blossom without the pressures of immediate deadlines and given two or three years together there are players at this club now who will be capable of playing international football or not far off, but the deadline Bruce faces isn't two or three years down the line. His deadline is May.

If he hasn't got a side together by then that's capable of the short-term objective, promotion, then there's no point in a long-term plan because he'll be out the door. And then a new manager comes in with his own ideas and another twelve months to mould a side in his own image and it all starts again.

We as fans can't have it both ways. We want to see a young side grow and improve, but we don't want to be in this division any longer than we have to be. Bruce has decided, rightly in my book, to address the second of those more prominently than the first.

Now that is a top post!! **thumbup
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acjboyle
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wtf**

I reckon if Steve Bruce farted the wrong way, there'd be people on here complaining about it. :ph43r:

If 2 of our strikers got injured, Jerome and Bendtner say, and Bruce hadn't got Cole in, there'd be people moaning about lack of cover, etc. :banghead:

It does my head in reading complaining comments. Get a life - we're 2nd in the table FFS.. :copno:
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JonnieTheBlue
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Mar 22 2007, 09:44 AM
no your not mate.

SB always does this remember mozza and heskey in our third season?

we have good forwards that can score but if you dont use them properly then you wont get anywhere.

jerome 19 goals last season and age was'nt a problem but it now is mm funny that.

vine 15 goals this season alone not settling.

our forwards are'nt the problem i reckon it's our style of football.


It's hardly Bruce's fault that when faced with a one on one, Jerome more often than not hit's the corner flag!
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Somepeople need to read all the posts in this thread, not isolate certain posts and make an assumption that this is the topic of conversation.

This is not a complaining thread. :banghead:
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I reckon if Steve Bruce farted the wrong way, there'd be people on here complaining about it. ninja.gif


But he does - it comes out of his mouth! :P
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Mar 22 2007, 03:03 PM
doc nick
Mar 22 2007, 09:44 AM
no your not mate.

SB always does this remember mozza and heskey in our third season?

we have good forwards that can score but if you dont use them properly then you wont get anywhere.

jerome 19 goals last season and age was'nt a problem but it now is  mm funny that.

vine 15 goals this season alone  not settling.

our forwards are'nt the problem i reckon it's our style of football.

Ere we go again. Another chance to bash Bruce.

If Cole had been signed by one of our rivals you would be moaning that Blues didn't go for him.

He's a good addition and should play for his experience and ability to hold the ball up, if not for his fantastic ability to score goals out of nothing. Lately our forwards have ben lacking in that area. Give Cole the support and get off Bruce's back.

who's bashing bruce :huh: i juststated a fact.

we do have problems creating chances.

two of our stickers found it ok to knock goals in for there previous clubs.

both of these are facts not opinions .
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What we need imo is a creative player in the middle we have muamba who i am a big fan of, he's very simular to dare i say it savage, except savage could pass the ball, so obviously muamba always cost us possesion everytime he tries to play forward, & clemence who has been terrifiic this season has played well breaking play up & calming things down but has no skill, pace or ability to play a defence cutting ball, would like us to sign a more offensive CM to balance our midfield out, we dont get any clever balls to our strikers, or just simply ball to feet, and imo if our strikers did they would be lethal you can tell look at what vine did against derby when he got the ball down, & bendtner can dazzle players when he gets the ball to feet, jerome has pace, & so does djc!
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doc nick
Mar 22 2007, 09:44 AM
no your not mate.

SB always does this remember mozza and heskey in our third season?

we have good forwards that can score but if you dont use them properly then you wont get anywhere.

jerome 19 goals last season and age was'nt a problem but it now is mm funny that.

vine 15 goals this season alone not settling.

our forwards are'nt the problem i reckon it's our style of football.

:applause: :applause: Well said Doc... spot on!!
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our strikers are not firing at the moment so brucie brings in a top striker to help out,
surely just having him train with them will help,
forsell is out of the picture ,vine may have to go left,so its jerome bendy and dj,
none are scoring,so i welcome cole to help them out.
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Steve Bruce does not have the time to initiate a long-term plan, because the fanbase at this club is demanding short-term goals are met


5 years not long enough ?
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He's already built one side that got to the Premiership. Those players are mostly old and retired now. Hence he has to build a new one. This is the point where you make some barbed comment about how he shouldn't have to be building to get back to the Premiership if he had been good enough to keep us there, and then the same debate that's been going on ad nauseum can carry on going...

Thanks for cherrypicking one half-sentence out of a long post though.
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Cole wants to play football, yes, undoubtedly he's on a fair whack but he'll be pulling on the royal blue and yes like messrs Yorkie and Sutton and tom dick and harry i will get behind him cos he's on our side! kro sotv

top 2 for definate now we have a robbie fowler type fox in the box in Andrew Cole and we haven't had one of those since Forssells first season with us
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I'd yawn if I could be bothered
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