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Celtic & Rangers
Topic Started: Apr 30 2007, 02:31 PM (348 Views)
Lars_Dudley
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Anyone hear Strachans comments on the weekend about how he wants Celtic and Rangers to be part of the Premiership? And Dixon and Coleman were saying how they shouldn't be because its the ENGLISH premier league.

Erm, Cardiff, Wrexham, Swansea etc are all in the English leagues even though they're in Wales. Also, I can't see Celtic or Rangers fans being happy if they are relegated and have to play Championship football. Nor would the SFA be happy to lose their two biggest money making teams. Same with the crappier Scottish teams. Their highlights of the season will be Hearts or Hibs :-/ Not that big o'games to attract the crowds. Another negative though would be the fact that two more teams would have to be moved down in each league to try and incorporate them. Is it worth it?

Personally, I think Celtic and Rangers should be in the Premiership. Celtic are quite decent and they're both really well supported so the games against them would be good to watch plus they'd make for some amazing away games. With the money the Premiership has to offer as well, I think Celtic and/or Rangers could turn into a consistant top 6 team. They could attract some big players due to their history and are quite well supported all around the country already.

Anyone else think it'd be good for the Premiership to have these two in the league?
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Forward62
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No, and I don't think Cardiff, Wrexham or Swansea should be playing in the English leagues either.
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tiltontrev
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Wouldnt be fair on the fans of likes of Portsmouth having to travel all that way IMO what would happen if they were to be relegated? would they fall into our CCC or the Scottish one?...I doubt it`ll ever happen personally.
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Lars_Dudley
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I think its unlikely. Mainly due to the knock on effect it'd have throughout the leagues in England. If it happened this season, for example, would Blues automatically get promoted?

In my opinion Celtic and Rangers though are big big big clubs and would be great to see in our top flight. Perhaps instead of relegating two more of our teams to incorporate them, we could just swap them for 2 of Carlisle, Sunderland, Boro or Newcastle :P
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Forward62
Apr 30 2007, 03:37 PM
No, and I don't think Cardiff, Wrexham or Swansea should be playing in the English leagues either.

No way. Celtic and Rangers should not be allowed to play in English football. As for the Welsh teams, they were invited to join English football when the League was expanded back in the 1920s. It was a totally different situation.
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Lars_Dudley
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I'm not denying it'd be a rough settling in period. But give it a few seasons for everything to calm down and I think it'd improve the standard of the league over all.

I would much rather have Blues go up next season and play the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Celtic and Rangers as opposed to teams like, say, Man City and Fulham.
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garrybaldy
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NO to any scottish teams in the Prem :copno:
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Bluenose4life
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While we're at it lets bring in AC Real Barca and relegate the smaller clubs like pompey, man city, us etc < <
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Lars_Dudley
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Thats a bit OTT don't ya think? But why not relegate some of the smaller teams to make way for two of the biggest in Europe?

What have teams like Watford and Wigan contributed to the Premier League this season? Can't think of many of their games from this season that I'll be telling my grand kids about.

And its just like introducing any other 2 teams into the Prem except for the fact 2 couldn't get promoted from the fizzy pop league for a season.

I'm not saying its fair, or that I'd be happy if Brum were one of those 2 teams that couldn't get promotion, but in the long run it'd work out for the best IMO.
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Forward62
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BN4L is right. It's the thin end of the wedge
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Lars_Dudley
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Hmm I see his point, but I just think it'd spice up the Premiership a bit.

Although, I suppose the real question is, would Celtic and Rangers fans want to move to the English league?
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Lars_Dudley
Apr 30 2007, 03:44 PM
Hmm I see his point, but I just think it'd spice up the Premiership a bit.

Although, I suppose the real question is, would Celtic and Rangers fans want to move to the English league?

It's the English Premier League though not a European Super League. Personally I don't like the welsh teams in our league taking up league positions that should be filled with english teams
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bornblues64
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Pony, the Scots only ever want things from England when it suits them, the rest of the time they hate us.
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Lars_Dudley
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Bluenose4life
Apr 30 2007, 04:53 PM
Lars_Dudley
Apr 30 2007, 03:44 PM
Hmm I see his point, but I just think it'd spice up the Premiership a bit.

Although, I suppose the real question is, would Celtic and Rangers fans want to move to the English league?

It's the English Premier League though not a European Super League. Personally I don't like the welsh teams in our league taking up league positions that should be filled with english teams

So why not make it the British Premier League? (excl NI)
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Lars_Dudley
Apr 30 2007, 03:55 PM
Bluenose4life
Apr 30 2007, 04:53 PM
Lars_Dudley
Apr 30 2007, 03:44 PM
Hmm I see his point, but I just think it'd spice up the Premiership a bit.

Although, I suppose the real question is, would Celtic and Rangers fans want to move to the English league?

It's the English Premier League though not a European Super League. Personally I don't like the welsh teams in our league taking up league positions that should be filled with english teams

So why not make it the British Premier League? (excl NI)

Well, you could do that and open it up to all welsh and scottish teams. I dont like the way we're constantly trying to change the game. I also just don't like scottish and welsh teams so let them stay in their own country
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Apr 30 2007, 02:37 PM
No, and I don't think Cardiff, Wrexham or Swansea should be playing in the English leagues either.

:applause:

The only way Celtic & Rangers should be allowed to join is if all Scottish league clubs are absorbed into the English league & the Scottish national team becomes part of England.
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If Rangers and Celtic joined the English league, the rest of Scottish football would perish.

Keep them where they are. Unless they want to start off in the conference and work their way up - that should cool their interest somewhat.
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i lived in edinburgh for 8 years and was a season ticket holder at hearts, probably the 3rd best supported club in scotland but only an average crowd of about 16,000. everyone is way behind celtic and rangers. the spl is rubbish and its no wonder celtic or rangers win it every year. i think both would finish about 4th or 5th in the prem and would be very hard to beat at home. you have to remember also they hate the english and there would probably be trouble from everywhere they travelled. and they would want about 15,000 tickets and although they wouldnt get them at least 10,000 would travel. keep them out they really do hate us.
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Take it from a brummie whos lives in Scotland... ;)

You take rangers and celtic out of the scottish leagues and Scottish football dies.... Nearly everybody i know supports Rangers or Celtic and i live in aberdeen. Plus is it fair for Rangers and Celtic to be put straight into the premiership?...no they would have to start from the Conference and make there way up.

I dont want to see them anywhere near the English leagues....
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Lars_Dudley
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Apr 30 2007, 05:52 PM
i lived in edinburgh for 8 years and was a season ticket holder at hearts, probably the 3rd best supported club in scotland but only an average crowd of about 16,000. everyone is way behind celtic and rangers. the spl is rubbish and its no wonder celtic or rangers win it every year. i think both would finish about 4th or 5th in the prem and would be very hard to beat at home. you have to remember also they hate the english and there would probably be trouble from everywhere they travelled. and they would want about 15,000 tickets and although they wouldnt get them at least 10,000 would travel. keep them out they really do hate us.

Good point.

I know its a lot more complicated than just "lets stick the best two teams in Scotland in our league" but I can't help wondering "what if"
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maulley54
Apr 30 2007, 05:52 PM
i lived in edinburgh for 8 years and was a season ticket holder at hearts, probably the 3rd best supported club in scotland but only an average crowd of about 16,000. everyone is way behind celtic and rangers. the spl is rubbish and its no wonder celtic or rangers win it every year. i think both would finish about 4th or 5th in the prem and would be very hard to beat at home. you have to remember also they hate the english and there would probably be trouble from everywhere they travelled. and they would want about 15,000 tickets and although they wouldnt get them at least 10,000 would travel. keep them out they really do hate us.

great post maulley, and i've never had to say that before..!!!! :rolleyes:
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thanks proccy, appreciate it.
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If they want in they start at the very bottom and work their way up. The top level of the English game is what some clubs have spent their entire existence hoping to achieve, many have gotten nowhere near it but keep trying every year to improve in the hope that one day they will achieve that level.

For these two clubs to swan down from Scotland and expect to simply be given entry to the top table merely because they have turned their domestic league into a private plaything would be an insult to every club outside the top division.

If they are prepared to start at the bottom of the English ladder and work their way up, like AFC Wimbledon or FC United, then all power to them. But they don't, they simply want access to the funds generated by the English Premiership, funds that those two clubs have done nothing to accumulate.
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If you made a case for allowing them into the lower reaches of the english leagues, what about all the other scottish teams? You would have to give them the same opportunity, so it is never going to happen. The idea of East Fife v Macclesfield would attract a crowd of what? About 10?

Keep em north of the border where they belong. They wouldn't qualify for the champions league if they played in the premiership anyway, costing them millions.
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firstly, no to being able to join the Premiership

what i WOULD say is that IF....

The FA, Scottish FA, Welsh FA and N. Irish FA could make a British Football League work, then i'd be all for that. intergrating the Welsh league, SPL and N Ireland league into the expanded Football League may work well.

the national teams can stay the same, we don't have to merge into a UK team

as for European qualification, let Rangers and Celtic jeopardise their European chances.

no way they should they be allowed to join the Prem. and if they CAN join English football, make them start in the minor leagues outside of the Football League.

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