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Should West Ham Be Sued ?
Topic Started: May 4 2007, 02:22 PM (383 Views)
midland red
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Wigan, Watford, Charlton and Sheff Utd are all reported as taking legal advice as to whether or not to sue West Ham and the premier league.
The issue is that a points deduction should have been one of the punishments for the falsification, misrepresentation and lies that surrounded the signing of Mascherino and Tevez.

What do you think? Should relegation only be on the field of play, or should the Premier League be forced to reconsider and apply the full rules?

Try the Poll: :D

http://z4.invisionfree.com/BLUES_FORUM/ind...showtopic=29505

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They wouldn't be suing West Spam but the league instead. I think there is a case for simple fact that there seems to have been concessions made and the letter of rule has been led by the heart. Now whatever was said by whom it was an extremly tectles thing to say considering the severe implications that are now likely to occur for the clubs above the zone who will almost certianly be affected.

There is some precident(sp?) for this in the football league with only Middlesvilla being able to provide any presidence (sp?) for a points deduction.
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I agree with Firebal TJXL1 :kiss:
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Yes they should - they broke the rules blatantly as they liked by fielding TWO ineligible players, and ive heard a load of balls from west ham fans sayin the club did not realise - well how come Liverpool did when they signed Mascherano. Its their fault, you cant just break the rules and get away with it, unless everyone can start doing it.

As much as i would like relegation to be settled on the pitch, one team cant break the rules and get away with it - So Sheffield United can field 22 players against viler, and it will still be fair.
"no" The FA bottled it.
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Didnt they get fined 5.5 million quid?? Would rather be playing them next year <than Wigan or Sheff Utd or poxy Fulham, i know i'll get slated but hope they stop up.
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I voted yes so i must mean yes.... :unsure:
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bornblues64
May 4 2007, 07:28 PM
Didnt they get fined 5.5 million quid?? Would rather be playing them next year <than Wigan or Sheff Utd or poxy Fulham, i know i'll get slated but hope they stop up.

I like them as a club, good traditions and youth policy, but at the end of the day, where do you stop just letting people off with breaking the rules.
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Yeah but they got 5.5 million fine which must be one of the biggest ever?
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They have always been the darlings of the media and the FA. There should be no favouritism and they should have been docked points. Wasn't it Swindon, some time ago who were docked points, which meant that instead of challenging for promotion, they actually got relegated? I think Lou Macari was manager at the time.

There should not be one rule for one and another for the 'plebs'.
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Should West Ham Be sued ?

After giving this question considerable thought for a whole two seconds the answer has to be yes.


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bornblues64
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But if it was Blues we would all be relieved we didnt get docked points???

Personally cant see why there is all this hostility towards West Ham after all havent they just given us loads of money for a crock, we should be thanking them :P
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May 4 2007, 08:47 PM
They have always been the darlings of the media and the FA. There should be no favouritism and they should have been docked points. Wasn't it Swindon, some time ago who were docked points, which meant that instead of challenging for promotion, they actually got relegated? I think Lou Macari was manager at the time.

There should not be one rule for one and another for the 'plebs'.

Altrinham got docked 18 points for fielding ONE ilegable player for 18 games.

Using this theory West Ham should have been deducted about at least 23 points, as Tevez played 23 games illegably for West Ham.
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bornblues64
May 4 2007, 08:49 PM
But if it was Blues we would all be relieved we didnt get docked points???

Personally cant see why there is all this hostility towards West Ham after all havent they just given us loads of money for a crock, we should be thanking them :P

But it isn't Blues.
And with people arounf this club with integrity, it never would be Blues.

You must remember bornblues, if you break the law, you must be answerable.
West Ham not only broke the law, they lied, they covered up and they denied access to their paperwork.Even after Liverpool blew the whistle on them.

By selling the club they thought that they would avoid the biggest penalties.
Their MD - Brown - stayed on as a director, but he has been sacked now and even he is taking them to court, and he was the one responsible in the first place. The arrogance of these spiv type people absolutely amazes me.

If your neighbour shoots someone, are you happy that they got community service, because you might shoot someone tomorrow ?

Really?
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patti03
May 4 2007, 09:40 PM
bornblues64
May 4 2007, 08:49 PM
But if it was Blues we would all be relieved we didnt get docked points???

Personally cant see why there is all this hostility towards West Ham after all havent they just given us loads of money for a crock, we should be thanking them :P

But it isn't Blues.
And with people arounf this club with integrity, it never would be Blues.

You must remember bornblues, if you break the law, you must be answerable.
West Ham not only broke the law, they lied, they covered up and they denied access to their paperwork.Even after Liverpool blew the whistle on them.

By selling the club they thought that they would avoid the biggest penalties.
Their MD - Brown - stayed on as a director, but he has been sacked now and even he is taking them to court, and he was the one responsible in the first place. The arrogance of these spiv type people absolutely amazes me.

If your neighbour shoots someone, are you happy that they got community service, because you might shoot someone tomorrow ?

Really?

What the hell as someone shooting my neighbour got to do with football :wacko:

For me they got fined 5.5 million end of, like i said if it had been Blues we would have all been happy, anyway they might go down and everyone will be happy , just for the life of me i cannot see what all this anti West Ham pony is all about especially form Blues fans could understand it if thois was a Chelsea or Tottenham board,

Oh and by the way they broke the law and were punished with a massive fine, simple as, just because it wasnt points everyone is up in arms, was anybody on this board actually at the hearing and does anybody on this board have all the facts and all the undersatanding of what went on and what is the disciplinary procedure 100%???
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For me the biggest issue is that other clubs have been docked points and thrown out of cup competitions for similar things.

What message does this send out to other clubs? Don't worry, allow for the fine in your budget and you can do what you like. What will happen if Chelsea do it on purpose next season? A fine won't effect them at all. With the money West Ham have a fine hasn't affected them.

Tevez is still allowed to play and has been re-registered.

It all smacks of a cover up, the FA don't have the balls to punish the media darlings properly.

Any other club would ahve been docked points.

Why has it taken so long to come to a conclusion? If West Ham had been at the top end of the table they would have lost points. bury were kicked out of the FA Cup for fielding an illegible player. A few seasons ago West Ham fielded an illegible player against vile after beating us in the porevious round. The game was replayed without him.

Allowances have been made for West Ham because of where and who they are. The only deterrant for clubs is a loss of points. If clubs thought they would lose points they wouldn't comit these crimes. A fine is nothing these days. What's £5m to West Ham? If they stay up they'll benefit from £50m.

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bornblues64
May 4 2007, 09:55 PM
patti03
May 4 2007, 09:40 PM
bornblues64
May 4 2007, 08:49 PM
But if it was Blues we would all be relieved we didnt get docked points???

Personally cant see why there is all this hostility towards West Ham after all havent they just given us loads of money for a crock, we should be thanking them :P

But it isn't Blues.
And with people arounf this club with integrity, it never would be Blues.

You must remember bornblues, if you break the law, you must be answerable.
West Ham not only broke the law, they lied, they covered up and they denied access to their paperwork.Even after Liverpool blew the whistle on them.

By selling the club they thought that they would avoid the biggest penalties.
Their MD - Brown - stayed on as a director, but he has been sacked now and even he is taking them to court, and he was the one responsible in the first place. The arrogance of these spiv type people absolutely amazes me.

If your neighbour shoots someone, are you happy that they got community service, because you might shoot someone tomorrow ?

Really?

What the hell as someone shooting my neighbour got to do with football :wacko:

For me they got fined 5.5 million end of, like i said if it had been Blues we would have all been happy, anyway they might go down and everyone will be happy , just for the life of me i cannot see what all this anti West Ham pony is all about especially form Blues fans could understand it if thois was a Chelsea or Tottenham board,

Oh and by the way they broke the law and were punished with a massive fine, simple as, just because it wasnt points everyone is up in arms, was anybody on this board actually at the hearing and does anybody on this board have all the facts and all the undersatanding of what went on and what is the disciplinary procedure 100%???

It's not the fact that it's West ham - It's the fact that every other club that has done what they did has either been deducted points or kicked out of a competition. Seems it's one rule for West Ham and another for everyone else.

Plus the reason given for the fine - " A points deduction would condemn to relegation" - It hasn't stopped the authorities before and I bet it wont stop them in future for other clubs.

£5.5million sounds a lot but it's just over 10% of what they'll get if they stay in the Prem next year (less according to some figures I've seen this week)

Justice should be seen to be done, and by all the precedents West Ham should have been docked points but the authorities bottled it.
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West Ham's fine is just less than 50% of their parachute money, if they were relegated.
As valley said, it is just less than 10% of their position and Sky money.

If the crime is the same, then surely the punishment is the same? The only mitigation that I can see is that they are new owners from those responsible, but....
even these new owners covered it up. It took Liverpool to raise the issue.

One final point for bornblues, with our track record, do you think we would have escaped without a points deduction? I don't. So if someone else gets away with something, I don't think, good, so will we.

:D
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Looks like they will do a Houdini act anyway. 3 up against Bolton in 30 minutes!
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Tevez ???

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May 5 2007, 02:18 PM
West Ham's fine is just less than 50% of their parachute money, if they were relegated.
As valley said, it is just less than 10% of their position and Sky money.

If the crime is the same, then surely the punishment is the same? The only mitigation that I can see is that they are new owners from those responsible, but....
even these new owners covered it up. It took Liverpool to raise the issue.

One final point for bornblues, with our track record, do you think we would have escaped without a points deduction? I don't. So if someone else gets away with something, I don't think, good, so will we.

:D

I really dont know if Blues would get away with it, remember Pandiani and the stuck / broke fax machine :P :P

But seriously i can see the points bought up by people on here make sense and you could probably call them, lucky to get away with no points deduction but sentence has been passed and thats that, right or wrong , its jsut funny that the clubs who are up in arms are the ones battling to escape relegation as well.
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bornblues64
May 4 2007, 09:55 PM

For me they got fined 5.5 million end of, like i said if it had been Blues we would have all been happy, anyway they might go down and everyone will be happy , just for the life of me i cannot see what all this anti West Ham pony is all about especially form Blues fans could understand it if thois was a Chelsea or Tottenham board,

Oh and by the way they broke the law and were punished with a massive fine, simple as, just because it wasnt points everyone is up in arms, was anybody on this board actually at the hearing and does anybody on this board have all the facts and all the undersatanding of what went on and what is the disciplinary procedure 100%???

Well as i said before, from my point of view im not anti-west ham im anti getting away with rules breaking. Like someone said they said they're reason for not docking points was to prevent it condemning them to relegation.

Leeds United? They didn't (and rightly so) decide that Leeds wouldn't be docked 10 points for going into administration, just cos they used to be good - they decided that they started that rule a few years back and stuck by it.

And don't let the fact it is a "record" fine kid you. £5M is absolutely nothing to field a player who has probably kept you up and saved you £50M. Two goals so far today.
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With the restructuring of the TV deal West Ham are merely going to make slightly less than all the other clubs in the top flight next season. They've been allowed to buy their way into the Premiership and the laws, upheld for an honest mistake made by Altrincham, upheld for an honest mistake by AFC Wimbledon, upheld for an honest mistake by Bury, have been ignored. Put simply, West Ham have not been punished.

AFC Wimbledon were docked 18 points for not realising a player needed international clearance to transfer from Wales. That's an honest mistake in anyones book, but they were docked points. West Ham have covered up an illegal transfer for six months, only owned up to the problem after they'd been caught, and have gotten away with it. Yes the other clubs should sue, and I wouldn't be surprised to see those affected, probably Wigan, refusing to fulfill their last fixture in protest.
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May 5 2007, 04:07 PM


But seriously i can see the points bought up by people on here make sense and you could probably call them, lucky to get away with no points deduction but sentence has been passed and thats that, right or wrong , its jsut funny that the clubs who are up in arms are the ones battling to escape relegation as well.

I don't think that its odd that the clubs battling relegation are the same ones considering going to court.
Blues' would be amongst them I'm sure if we were in say - Wigan's position, and saw massive rule breaking, lying and evasion being punished by only one method of a full punishment.
West Ham could have been suspended, relegated regardlesss of final position as well as having points deducted.

As it was they get fined lesss money than they paid for Upson.

It is wrong imo. Wrong response, wrong message.



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You have to bear in mind that Tevez has been a huge part of their revival, so as a result of playing him another team may well be relegated who did nothing wrong. If it were Blues to be relegated I'd be very angry indeed. I hope they and the Premier League get whats coming to them for both their parts in this. They are both cheats.
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i can't believe these **** look like to have climbed out of relegation :angry:
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