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Our Current Squad.; Breakdown... Will they be good enough?
Topic Started: May 6 2007, 02:48 PM (250 Views)
Steve
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Right, now we're promoted we need to be looking at who needs to be replaced and who can perform in the premiership.

Here is our Current squad:
1 Taylor | 2 Kelly | 3 Sadler | 4 Taylor | 6 Clemence | 7 Larsson | 8 Cole | 9 Forssell | 10 Jerome | 11 Gray | 12 Nafti | 13 Doyle | 14 Campbell | 15 Kilkenny | 16 Tébily | 17 Danns | 18 Oji | 19 Vine | 21 N'Gotty | 22 Johnson | 23 Birley | 24 Jaïdi | 25 Aluko | 26 Muamba | 27 Bendtner | 28 McSheffrey | 29 Legzdins | 31 Pearce

And a breakdown of what experience they have:

Premiership Level Experience
1. Taylor - Very Experienced, International.
2. Kelly - Small bit of Experience in the Premiership.
4. Taylor (Martin) - Experience but is he good enough?
6. Clemence - Has Experience but again is he good enough?
8. Cole - Lots of Experience, wont be here next season.
9. Forssell - Once great, got injured. Wont be here next season
11. Gray - Did well 2 seasons ago but got a lot of stick last season. Worked well with Jermaine pennant on the other wing.
12. Nafti - Some Premiership Experience, did well when he first came here on loan and got injured when signed permanently. Not suited to the Championship. Has more Spanish League experience than English. International Experience, our first World Cup Player.
14. Campbell- Tiny amount of premiership experience, not worth mentioning
16. Tebily - Premiership experience but perhaps not good enough.
21. N'gotty - Some premiership experience, a bit old now though.
22. Johnson - Good amount of premiership experience.
24. Jaidi - Some premiership experience, international, African Cup of Nations Winner, World Cup player.

Championship Level Experience
3. Sadler - Our left back for most of the season, can he make the step up?
7. Larsson - Great in the championship, unproven in the premiership.
10. Jerome - Super Sub? Seems that way lately
13. Doyle - Is he good enough for the prem?
17. Danns - Can't make the championship team, doubt he is good enough for the prem.
19. Vine - Not used much since January
26. Muamba - Excellent in the championship, same story in the premiership?
27. Bendtner - Same as muamba but not here next season.
28. McSheffrey - Same as Muamba.

Lower Level/Other Experience
15. Kilkenny - Little Championship outings, not enough to be seen as experience however is in the Australian football team.
18. Oji
23. Birley
25. Aluko
29. Legzdins
31. Pearce

What's worrying is that we have a LOT of players who have little to no premiership experience. Do we take the gamble and assume they will perform the same in the premiership or do we replace them?

There are also players who have done rubbish this season but could do an excellent job in the Premiership, do we take a risk on them?


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I think that Jerome could be quality next season, somehow I think that the Prem would suit him better, same with Larsson and McSheffrey, mainly because it's less physical.
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May 6 2007, 03:48 PM
Right, now we're promoted we need to be looking at who needs to be replaced and who can perform in the premiership.

Here is our Current squad:
1 Taylor | 2 Kelly | 3 Sadler | 4 Taylor | 6 Clemence | 7 Larsson | 8 Cole | 9 Forssell | 10 Jerome | 11 Gray | 12 Nafti | 13 Doyle | 14 Campbell | 15 Kilkenny | 16 Tébily | 17 Danns | 18 Oji | 19 Vine | 21 N'Gotty | 22 Johnson | 23 Birley | 24 Jaïdi | 25 Aluko | 26 Muamba | 27 Bendtner | 28 McSheffrey | 29 Legzdins | 31 Pearce

And a breakdown of what experience they have:

Premiership Level Experience
1. Taylor - Very Experienced, International.
2. Kelly - Small bit of Experience in the Premiership.
4. Taylor (Martin) - Experience but is he good enough?
6. Clemence - Has Experience but again is he good enough?
8. Cole - Lots of Experience, wont be here next season.
9. Forssell - Once great, got injured. Wont be here next season
11. Gray - Did well 2 seasons ago but got a lot of stick last season. Worked well with Jermaine pennant on the other wing.
12. Nafti - Some Premiership Experience, did well when he first came here on loan and got injured when signed permanently. Not suited to the Championship. Has more Spanish League experience than English. International Experience, our first World Cup Player.
14. Campbell- Tiny amount of premiership experience, not worth mentioning
16. Tebily - Premiership experience but perhaps not good enough.
21. N'gotty - Some premiership experience, a bit old now though.
22. Johnson - Good amount of premiership experience.
24. Jaidi - Some premiership experience, international, African Cup of Nations Winner, World Cup player.

Championship Level Experience
3. Sadler - Our left back for most of the season, can he make the step up?
7. Larsson - Great in the championship, unproven in the premiership.
10. Jerome - Super Sub? Seems that way lately
13. Doyle - Is he good enough for the prem?
17. Danns - Can't make the championship team, doubt he is good enough for the prem.
19. Vine - Not used much since January
26. Muamba - Excellent in the championship, same story in the premiership?
27. Bendtner - Same as muamba but not here next season.
28. McSheffrey - Same as Muamba.

Lower Level/Other Experience
15. Kilkenny - Little Championship outings, not enough to be seen as experience however is in the Australian football team.
18. Oji
23. Birley
25. Aluko
29. Legzdins
31. Pearce

What's worrying is that we have a LOT of players who have little to no premiership experience. Do we take the gamble and assume they will perform the same in the premiership or do we replace them?

There are also players who have done rubbish this season but could do an excellent job in the Premiership, do we take a risk on them?

Even most the players with Premiership experience aren't good enough.
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Brummiesteven
May 6 2007, 03:48 PM
Right, now we're promoted we need to be looking at who needs to be replaced and who can perform in the premiership.

Here is our Current squad:
1 Taylor | 2 Kelly | 3 Sadler | 4 Taylor | 6 Clemence | 7 Larsson | 8 Cole | 9 Forssell | 10 Jerome | 11 Gray | 12 Nafti | 13 Doyle | 14 Campbell | 15 Kilkenny | 16 Tébily | 17 Danns | 18 Oji | 19 Vine | 21 N'Gotty | 22 Johnson | 23 Birley | 24 Jaïdi | 25 Aluko | 26 Muamba | 27 Bendtner | 28 McSheffrey | 29 Legzdins | 31 Pearce

And a breakdown of what experience they have:

Premiership Level Experience
1. Taylor - Very Experienced, International.
2. Kelly - Small bit of Experience in the Premiership.
4. Taylor (Martin) - Experience but is he good enough?
6. Clemence - Has Experience but again is he good enough?
8. Cole - Lots of Experience, wont be here next season.
9. Forssell - Once great, got injured. Wont be here next season
11. Gray - Did well 2 seasons ago but got a lot of stick last season. Worked well with Jermaine pennant on the other wing.
12. Nafti - Some Premiership Experience, did well when he first came here on loan and got injured when signed permanently. Not suited to the Championship. Has more Spanish League experience than English. International Experience, our first World Cup Player.
14. Campbell- Tiny amount of premiership experience, not worth mentioning
16. Tebily - Premiership experience but perhaps not good enough.
21. N'gotty - Some premiership experience, a bit old now though.
22. Johnson - Good amount of premiership experience.
24. Jaidi - Some premiership experience, international, African Cup of Nations Winner, World Cup player.

Championship Level Experience
3. Sadler - Our left back for most of the season, can he make the step up?
7. Larsson - Great in the championship, unproven in the premiership.
10. Jerome - Super Sub? Seems that way lately
13. Doyle - Is he good enough for the prem?
17. Danns - Can't make the championship team, doubt he is good enough for the prem.
19. Vine - Not used much since January
26. Muamba - Excellent in the championship, same story in the premiership?
27. Bendtner - Same as muamba but not here next season.
28. McSheffrey - Same as Muamba.

Lower Level/Other Experience
15. Kilkenny - Little Championship outings, not enough to be seen as experience however is in the Australian football team.
18. Oji
23. Birley
25. Aluko
29. Legzdins
31. Pearce

What's worrying is that we have a LOT of players who have little to no premiership experience. Do we take the gamble and assume they will perform the same in the premiership or do we replace them?

There are also players who have done rubbish this season but could do an excellent job in the Premiership, do we take a risk on them?

Now I'm not talking about Bruce but in general. Why is it that players are considered not to be good enough for a higher level of football but the same rarely applies to a manager?


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Well Jackoblue, Bruce does have premiership experience. 4 years infact.
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I can never work out when people say the Premier league is less physical than the First Division.

Prem players are generally better skillwise, better phsically etc ffs have you seen Chelsea and Bolton etc

Less physical my harris.

This squad would do a Watford no doubt but with 5-6 new first team players it should be allright or coming to think of it 7-8 players :P
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Yes- to keep for the prem
1 Taylor
2 Kelly
3 Sadler
6 Clemence
7 Larsson
9 Forssell but wil probably go
10 Jerome
11 Gray
13 Doyle
22 Johnson
26 Muamba
28 McSheffrey

No- get rid now
27 Bendtner Leaving anyway so he just goes into the no pile for now
16 Tébily
17 Danns
23 Birley
19 Vine
21 N'Gotty

Maybe- im not sure
4 Taylor
12 Nafti
14 Campbell
15 Kilkenny
24 Jaïdi If he can stil hack it in the prem

Keep for the future- as squad members for now

29 Legzdins
31 Pearce
25 Aluko
18 Oji



So that is 12 players.
Two goalies
One right back
One left back
One right winger
Two left wingers
Three centre midfielders
Two strikers

Time to strengthen


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May 6 2007, 03:52 PM
Well Jackoblue, Bruce does have premiership experience. 4 years infact.

He does that's true but then so do some players. After all Andy Cole has bags of it but I'm glad he won't be around next season.

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I think Jaidi can hack it, also maybe we should keep N'gotty as backup he's not that bad. I also think Nafti will be good in the premiership judging by his performance 2 seasons ago when he first came here however, that's me and I'm a Nafti fan I suppose lol so I suppose I will always say that just like the David Dunn fans who were convinced we should keep Dunn when he hadn't played for ages and didn't look like playing anytime soon.
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I would say about 5 players could hack it in the premiership

doyle - cos he can only improve and looks comfortable in this league

clemence - cos he is experienced premiership footballer
jonty - same as clem but no where near as good
mcsheffrey - he has the ability and technique to succeed in the premiership
larsson - he played 20 odd games for arsenal in the premiership and he will handle the pressure and pace

I dont think vine / jerome / djc have the anything in their locker to break premiership defences

I dont think jaidi / ngotty / tiny will be comfortable as they lack a vital ingredient - pace

I dont think kelly will do well as he is the same as clapham - no physical presence - cant tackle

I didnt think west ham strikers would do well when they got promoted but they did have a severe amount of pace - hopefully jerome will use it :)

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i think some of the squad will find it a bit easier against a lot of the teams in the premier league, and it may well be that the change in playing style after norwich hasnt helped a lot of players.
it will be intersting how many stay and do well, and bruce may have done some excellent forward planning, and in doing so saved some money too.....i hope so anyway!

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May 6 2007, 02:59 PM
I think Jaidi can hack it, also maybe we should keep N'gotty as backup he's not that bad. I also think Nafti will be good in the premiership judging by his performance 2 seasons ago when he first came here however, that's me and I'm a Nafti fan I suppose lol so I suppose I will always say that just like the David Dunn fans who were convinced we should keep Dunn when he hadn't played for ages and didn't look like playing anytime soon.

lol for some reason when i see Nafti it looks like he is just running round like a headless chicken and doing all his karate kicks!lol

I do like his effort and work rate though. He doesnt give in and maybe my opinion has just been formed after his injury which would be harsh. In the last couple of games he has started to change my opinion though bcause he is improving
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This is our team in the premiership with a 1-0 win over Bolton Wanderers. Our most successful premiership season, 25/10/03 and this win keeps us in 4th place.

Starting 11:
Maik Taylor
Tebily
Cunningham
Upson
Clapham
Dunn
Cisse
Clemence
Lazaridis
Forssell
Dugarry

Subs:
Kenna
Hughes
Morrison
Bennett
Figueroa

Currently, we only have 3 of these 16 players left in our squad. One of which, Tebily, isn't exactly good enough. Johnson also played in this season but no this match, so make that 4 players.
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I remember that game

duggary got kicked about something bad and forssell started his scoring streak with a weak shot past the keeper
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May 6 2007, 03:57 PM
Maybe- im not sure
4 Taylor
12 Nafti
14 Campbell
15 Kilkenny
24 Jaïdi If he can stil hack it in the prem



Jaidi will be good in prem i feel.

Taylor not sure.

Nafti was diabolical today and every time i have seen him.

Campbell should go.

Kilkenny should stay but wont
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May 6 2007, 04:13 PM
I remember that game

duggary got kicked about something bad and forssell started his scoring streak with a weak shot past the keeper

Forssell Goal vs Bolton ;)
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well everyone said we should wait till we get to the prem , to decide who we should keep .......

i reckon we need a team like ??????

1 doyle or taylor
2 kelly
3 new left back
4 jahidi or taylor .....take your pick
5 new centre half (with pace )
6 muamba
7 lasson
8 new midfielder ( who can pass a ball )
9 new striker QUALITY NEEDED
10 jerome .....( i like this guy , i believe his pace will cause probs in the prem)
11 mcsheff

i personally would like most of the team given a chance next season with a couple of TOP QUALITY players added....

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Can Larsson and Muamba make the step up? I'm not saying they're bad as they've been excellent this season but the Premiership is a completely different ball game.
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In a word. NO.

Big, ambitious signings must be made if we are to stay up. We would be mad to think our current squad would survive the prem. We couldnt survive a preston onslaught today ffs!

Saying that though, our other promotion squad didnt look to healthy either and it did well enough. I guess only time will tell. But I know that if I had sixty mill or so winging its way towards me then at least forty mill of it would be put aside for new, hungry, talented blood.

Keep the faith noses. Its likely that brucie wont go down the melchiot and co road this time round. So whatever happens our squad should be "interested" in survival and whatever else comes our way.
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May 6 2007, 03:32 PM
well everyone said we should wait till we get to the prem , to decide who we should keep .......

i reckon we need a team like ??????

1 doyle or taylor
2 kelly
3 new left back
4 jahidi or taylor .....take your pick
5 new centre half (with pace )
6 muamba
7 lasson
8 new midfielder ( who can pass a ball )
9 new striker QUALITY NEEDED
10 jerome .....( i like this guy , i believe his pace will cause probs in the prem)
11 mcsheff

i personally would like most of the team given a chance next season with a couple of TOP QUALITY players added....

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Micky, I agree with everything you say. There are some key areas that need strengthening - and they are exactly the ones you've identified. I also agree that Jerome could do well in the Premiership, but would like a second new striker here as backup in case he doesn't.

For me the most important area is the creative midfielder. I've said before that I'd love someone like Wesley Sneijder of Holland. Two footed, quick and, despite his lack of weight, strong. I'd spend big money on filling that position. Play him alongside a ball-winner like Muamba and we have the basis of a strong side.

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