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| Tweet Topic Started: May 7 2007, 09:27 AM (1,073 Views) | |
| k-bek | May 7 2007, 09:27 AM Post #1 |
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I TOLD YOU SO This time last year I said Bruce was the best man for the job of getting us back up. After the Norwich game I stood by him and said he would do it. After the fall away after Christmas I still said we'd do it. After we lst over easter I still held faith. And now... I am off up Town to join in the celebrations because I was right. All along I was right and we have been promoted automatically back to the Premiership after just 1 season away. Well done Bruce, well done to every player who has made a contribution, well Done Damien Johnson for not letting the boo boys affct the whole season. WE ARE PREMIER LEAGUE PS Don't bother posting about imediate relegation and the need for a new manager now. Its bow locks. We need massive investment into this team just to be able to tread water. We have fallen well behind clubs like Portsmouth, Middlesbrough and others we were competing with before but that can be rectified with real spending and investment. :banner: :banner: :banner: :banner: |
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| mandy@blues | May 7 2007, 09:48 AM Post #2 |
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Oh dear K-Bek...hope you've got your tin hat on! I'm sorry but I disagree. On the positive side, Bruce has changed the majority of his squad this season and managed to get us automatically promoted. He has also coped very well with more pressure and criticism than anyone should endure. The squad he has also bought are hungry young players that have given their all this season. All of this shows he is a good manager in some senses! However, there are still many problems that concern me for next year. His team selections, playing players out of their natural positions and general tactics during games are very poor. His stubborness and his tactics of playing his captain in every position on the pitch, has resulted in his captain being undeservedly abused. Although the biggest thing for me is that the board have had to buy virtually all of the championship's attacking players (millions more than any other club in the league) in order to achieve this and still wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for the last minute loan of a world class striker to help the attacking tactics- this is where his weakness is and if he doesn't get help in terms of attacking tactics I'm concerned that no matter how much money we spend we will still struggle next year. Any manager can look a good manager if they've had the money to buy world class players. The really good managers are the ones that do it on a shoestring; i.e. Alladyce, Coppell etc |
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| k-bek | May 7 2007, 09:59 AM Post #3 |
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At times we have had to play McSheffrey despite him being below par because there was no natural replacement. When Kelly was out we had to play someone out of position because there is no natural replacement. When Sadler was dropped (????) there was no natural replacement. When Larsson was out there was no natural replacement. Every time Bruce has played someone out of position it has been through necessity. Who's fault is that? During December we all sat here and pointed to areas where we would need players bringing in but the board sat on the cheque book. They signed Vine but we needed players in other positions more. I too will criticise Bruce or any other manager for playing people out of position when, and only when, there are plenty of other options available. As it stands we have 1 left winger, 1 right winger, 1 left back and 1 right back. When they're injured or suspended there is no choice but to play someone out of position. The attacking players we need are in midfield but if the powers that be continue to allow players to slip away to other clubs because they won't pay an extra few quid the manager's hands are tied. Despite not having cover in every position, despite losing more players than we signed in January bruce has got us up. McSheffrey has been key this season. Whenever he has turned up we have looked fantastic but all too often he has been marked out of games or done very little- Sheffield Wednesday. We need to buy in options for changing games. We've got it up front but they're all unproven at Premiership level. A few players to strengthen and add quality will just about do it. The most worrying thing for me is that people already seem to think we'll pick up where we left off and compete for top 10-6. Survival is primary next season. |
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| Zico | May 7 2007, 10:01 AM Post #4 |
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Bruce has done the bare minimum of what was expected of him. Now we can judge him on his signings and start to the season at Christmas and take it from there. Whos to say he was the best man for the job, who can say that a new manager wouldn't have got us promoted easier than what Bruce did and bought in players that would leave us better prepared for the Premiership. He's got a long way to go to convince me 100% |
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| valleyblue | May 7 2007, 10:17 AM Post #5 |
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No cover at right back??? - Yet you mention DJ No cover on the left wing??? - Julian Gray (OK so he's not everyone favourite but he was bought as a left wing. No cover at left back I'll give you - It's been blatantly obvious for 3yrs - Yet simply has not been addressed - Why????? No cover on the right wing - Why??? because SB thinks DJ can play there??? All the lack of cover you mention should have been addressed before the season even began but SB went mad buying forwards and midfielders (some of whom have barely been seen since, remember Danns?) SB has been here for 5yrs and yet he still hasn't put together a squad - a first 11 (or 16) yes, but not a squad. Don't tell me it's because of lack of money, just look at what has been spent. Why did we buy Vine - panic shopping?? - I've got to buy someone so I'll buy Rowan Vine?? |
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| keith_laurent | May 7 2007, 10:28 AM Post #6 |
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And who is to say a new manager would have done worse? It's all ifs and buts and maybes. This forum, like any forum, is full of extreme views at each polar opposite. Bruce is either the messiah or Bruce is the devil. I tend to gauge that the vast majority fall in the middle somewhere, which is he did a great job in the first 4 years, then mucked it up. He's on his way to redeeming himself now and everyone, including me, hopes he keeps the momentum going but are nervous about a repeat of 2005/06. I agree, there are doubts and niggles, but you ask any fan of any club, even Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal fans, if they have doubts and niggles about Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger and, as daft as it may seem, they do. It's all about aspirations and expectations and of course, opinions. We all want the best for BCFC. Some people won't be happy until we're in the Champions League and even then, will moan because we didn't make the final - whoever the manager is. Some people will still be happy if we get relegated again next year, because it's "typical Blues but that's life". Me, I'm happy to be back in the Prem. I've watched some dross over the past few decades and experienced horrible lows. These are very good times compared to them and I'm content. Whatever we all think, we're all on the same ship. KRO. |
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| leechy | May 7 2007, 10:33 AM Post #7 |
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Fair play to Brucie I am delighted, if he had failed to get us promoted his reputation would have been totally shattered, I think he made hard work of getting us promoted in what was a very poor division, he had resources that other managers could only dream of, his poor tactics stuck out like a saw thumb, and his stubborness in them still leaves me with a nagging doubt that he is know where near the best man for the job, the one time he wasn't backed by the board we got relegated, I can't wait for next season, but am far from convinced. |
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| colinblue | May 7 2007, 10:33 AM Post #8 |
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This is Birmingham City Zico - getting automatic promotion with one game left to play is the easiest scenario I've known in 40+ years! :banner: |
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| azure-marcus | May 7 2007, 10:33 AM Post #9 |
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And here is to happy sailing for all supporters in 2007/2008. **thumbup **thumbup **thumbup |
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| bornblues64 | May 7 2007, 10:39 AM Post #10 |
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Thing is we all have opinions just seems to me that some people dont or wont listen to them, i have doubts about Bruce, i have friends who have doubts, i have friends who have no doubts about Bruce. Its called football, i also know Chelsea fans who still doubt and dont like Mourinho and would have preferred Ranieri to be in charge. I have a mate from Newcastle that thinks Roeder is ok. Football is all about opinions, discussions, changes of mind etc just for me some people can't see it preferring to put down other people s views etc. I just wonder if Blues went down next year would the thread starter put in big letters " i was wrong" i doubt it. It is these one eyed views that cause divisions as Keith Laurent so eloquently put "We are all Blues" Its just that i feel that some people think they are more Blues than others. We all make statements about football that come back to haunt us, trouble is some people admit them and others dont, |
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| Zico | May 7 2007, 10:46 AM Post #11 |
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I've been around this club for 30 years myself and I am fully aware of that and celebrating getting promoted as much as anyone, but for some fans to bring out the old "I told you so" about the bloke who was responsible for getting us relegated in the first place is a bit much for me. I'm chuffed that we're up and I'd love Bruce to take us from strength to strength and to change the mindset of some fans that its a case of "we're Blues we always struggle and shouldn't expect more". I hope he's the manager that gives us some real success rather than 2nd place in the Championship. I'm not convinced he is the man, but I hope he proves me wrong. |
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| colinblue | May 7 2007, 10:47 AM Post #12 |
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I don't understand why people keep referring to the Championship as "a very poor division". Compared to what? The Premiership - well yes in terms of quality it is poorer but then in the Premiership teams have gazillions of pounds more than teams in the Championship. Is it poor compared to leagues 1 & 2 or the Conference? I don't think so. And remember well over half the teams in the Championship have been in the premiership previously (as have some teams residing in the lower leagues). And at the end of the day you can only beat what's in front of you, which despite some obvious c**k ups we did more often than not (including a couple of Premiership teams along the way). So let's cut SB a bit of slack, give him credit where it's due, celebrate our promotion, enjoy the summer, because sure as a wet bank holiday we'll have plenty of time to enjoy/worry/applaud/criticise etc etc come August. :Blues: WE ARE PREMIER LEAGUE ... SAY WE ARE PREMIER LEAGUE :Blues: |
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| 87dominguez | May 7 2007, 11:19 AM Post #13 |
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**thumbup |
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| Lucky | May 7 2007, 11:44 AM Post #14 |
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Just on the theme of admitting right or wrong, in the past week i have seen interviews with Mouriniho and Ferguson both admitting they made mistakes this season, so even the best make mistakes, but for me the big thing about making a mistake is having the courage to stand up and admit it.then learn from it. I said many times i never wanted Brucie out ,just for him to change his style and admit his shortcomings, has he done that ,not on the Preston showing. WILL HE CHANGE ANYTHING NEXT SEASON, VERY MUCH DOUBT IT. |
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| bluess7 | May 7 2007, 11:57 AM Post #15 |
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K-Bek: "At times we have had to play McSheffrey despite him being below par because there was no natural replacement. When Kelly was out we had to play someone out of position because there is no natural replacement. When Sadler was dropped (????) there was no natural replacement. When Larsson was out there was no natural replacement. Every time Bruce has played someone out of position it has been through necessity. Who's fault is that?" Get real.........it's only one mans fault..........STEVE BRUCE!!! He has had more choice of players than anyone, with the exception of Keane, and if he doesn't have cover, he can have no cause for complaint. Zico: "Bruce has done the bare minimum of what was expected of him" The bare minimum...ffs?............he had one challenge, promotion..........and he did it..........end of!!!! "Whos to say he was the best man for the job, who can say that a new manager wouldn't have got us promoted easier than what Bruce did and bought in players that would leave us better prepared for the Premiership." FFS.................who's to say another manager wouldn't of left us outside the playoff.....got a crystal ball? bornblues64: "I have a mate from Newcastle that thinks Roeder is ok." Worse than that, I know a blues fan who wants Bruce out and Roeder in............ :LMAO: "Its just that i feel that some people think they are more Blues than others." I agree with a great deal of what you write, however, I actually DO believe some are more Blues than others. There are so-called fans who jumped on the premier band-wagon and find it intolerable that we could be relegated.....I dont see these as real fans...............however, this is just my opinion. Keith Laurent: "Some people won't be happy until we're in the Champions League and even then, will moan because we didn't make the final - whoever the manager is" .....and these are the people still sitting at their computer.........scowling despite promotion........who will never be able to enjoy the joyous times at Blues...........because they are too worried about what's not right :banghead: |
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| franscar | May 7 2007, 11:57 AM Post #16 |
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I think it's just the overspill of the heated debates that have been going on all season. At times it's been vitriolic simply because its anonymous. People can sit behind a computer screen and fire insults at one another in a way they'd never do over a couple of pints in the pub. Everyone got heated, on both sides of the debate, and as disappointing as it is to see a "told you so" from one point, had we not gone up, there would have been one started the other way. I always thought we would be ok. Cardiff were always going to fall away, Derby were always going to fall away, back in midseason the only concern I had was if the Baggies managed to pull it together but they didn't, and I don't think anyone really saw Sunderland coming up on the rails, I certainly didn't see them managing a run the like of which they put together this calendar year. But I always thought that we'd be ok, and now we can sit down and watch the Wolves and the Baggies kick lumps out of one another without any pressure at all. And that's lovely. |
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| Wisel | May 7 2007, 11:58 AM Post #17 |
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It's the old Brummie syndrome that a fair few of our supporters suffer from. I think it is the biggest sign of weakness going, but it is a fact. It goes like this. If a player comes to us ~ well he can't be any good can he or he wouldn't come to us? If a manager stays with us ~ wll he's useless isn't he, otherwise he'd be managing elsewhere? If we win something ~ well it's not a very good competitiion is it? If we gain promotion after changing the whole squad ~ well that 's the minimum I would expect, we should have done better. If we win 1-0 ~ well we should've scored far more If we are after a player who someone rates quite highly ~ he wont choose to come to us? etc etc etc It is a constant drip feed of negative stances on everything to do with this club (and probably the rest of the lives these folk lead), that undermines just about everything about BCFC. It seems at no stage will these knockers ever let reality interfere with their doom and gloom. They never seem to look at other clubs who have achioeved less than Blues and compare how Blues stand favourably against them. For instance these folk will go on all day about how Roy Keane has achieved far more than Bruce, but they will not refer to WBA in comparison, or Derby, or Wolves or for that matter Leeds. It seems the only thing that keeps them going is to have a go at everything. I am sure it is not particularly malicious, and I am sure it is mostly sub-concious reaction, but I am also sure they do not understand the damange they continually do to the club. They are easy to spot, they do it all the time. |
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| Bluediver | May 7 2007, 12:04 PM Post #18 |
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....Bruce is either the messiah ..... [/QUOTE] He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy....... (Good post btw) |
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| midland red | May 7 2007, 12:13 PM Post #19 |
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The Bottom team in the Premiership next season 2007 /08 will collect a minimum of £27 million I can't really see any manager getting sacked again from the Premiership, unless their club budget for Europe and they fail. :D |
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| Sam Tyler | May 7 2007, 02:51 PM Post #20 |
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you told us that bruce would keep us up last year |
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| bornblues64 | May 7 2007, 02:53 PM Post #21 |
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:LMAO: :LMAO: the message was saved it had to be right sometime |
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| petet | May 7 2007, 04:08 PM Post #22 |
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Thats the best quote on this thread. :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: |
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| ESONEULB | May 7 2007, 04:42 PM Post #23 |
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Don't forget the fans aswell...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **thumbup |
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| Lucky | May 8 2007, 05:43 AM Post #24 |
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sometimes you dont need many words?? |
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| trev984 | May 8 2007, 08:18 AM Post #25 |
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WISEL. Your post of yesterday, hit the nail on the head. I have been supporting BLUES since my first game in October !935.(not a misprint) and I haven't heard as much negativety as I have heard these last few years. We've just achieved promotion to the Premiership for goodness sake,at the first chance after going down. How many other teams have done that? I don't know the answer, but I'll bet not many. Our team and management need praise not criticism. :banner: :banner: |
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