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Wage Cap Now!; football for a tenner
Topic Started: May 10 2007, 01:12 PM (193 Views)
Tbeddows
Martin Taylor
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Quite late on in the season it seemed to dawn on Sullivan, Gold etc. that the team was regularly playing in front of half empty stadiums and they reluctantly seemed to reach the conclusion that to fill the place it might be a good idea to offer a few concessions- and then what happened?
It seems to me that football has been enjoying an almost unprecendented popularity with the public and with that popularity comes increased demand for the product which forces up prices to the point where some people are beginning to question the validity of these inflated prices.
And where is all the added revenue going one might ask. To the players' pockets is where. OK, clubs spend more on Academies and back staff than they used to but the fact remains that the bulk of the money is sustaining some very expensive coke habits.
However there are definite signs that interest in football has reached its peak and is beginning to decline a little as evidenced by recent falls in attendances and slightly smaller tv audiences (in this country at any rate)
I believe we are on the threshold of a change which will see the monies gleaned from attendances will soon be surpassed by those gained from other sources- tv, sponsorship, etc.
Now I do not believe there will ever be a period in my lifetime when football in this country will ever be less than the no.1 sport in this country but we should guard against complacency- some of us remember how attendances plummetted in the seventies and I believe that to protect the high interest in currently obtaining the product must be sold realistically.
From a personal point of view I believe that the sheer predictability of the Premeirship in which everybody but a fool knows which four teams will finish in the top four next season, and the season after that etc etc will eventually cause some people to turn their backs on the beautiful game.
Surely the way forward is to impose a wage cap on the players so that we have a more equal playing field- at the moment only the elite can offer the best players the best wages and the rest scrabble round for the crumbs. OK, I anticipate that some of you will say that corruption will prosper under these circumstances and I accept that is the likeliest scenario but with swingeing penalties for miscreants - ie immediate relegation, it could be enforced; after all the American football leagues follow this policy and the real beneficaries are the fans. Football for all, for a tenner is my mantra and I'm sticking to it.
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Tbeddows
May 10 2007, 01:12 PM
the fact remains that the bulk of the money is sustaining some very expensive coke habits.
after all the American football leagues follow this policy and the real beneficaries are the fans.

:LMAO:

Although I agree with your sentiments, the salary cap in American sports is still massive. Tickets for some base ball games are as low as $9 or $10, basketball and NFL? $40 - $100. Now at todays exchange rates that's not a fortune, but in America a dollar's worth a dollar.
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mccp
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Alongside the wage capping of US players. there also exists the non-relegation factor.

It is a closed shop, protecting the franchise owner, and no up and coming team can enter an area, let alone a league without the say so of the franchise owners.
Who can also move their club from one coast to another.

They are the downside of wage capping. Attempts in Europe to wage cap can only come piecemeal I think. And it will probably be led by the big clubs themselves.

The Deloite report shows just how little clubs in Italy actually need spectators. Nearly 75% of their income is from TV.
Wage capping could be rushed in faster if the source of this insane funding - TV - is choked.

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Tbeddows
May 10 2007, 01:12 PM
Quite late on in the season it seemed to dawn on Sullivan, Gold etc. that the team was regularly playing in front of half empty stadiums and they reluctantly seemed to reach the conclusion that to fill the place it might be a good idea to offer a few concessions- and then what happened?
It seems to me that football has been enjoying an almost unprecendented popularity with the public and with that popularity comes increased demand for the product which forces up prices to the point where some people are beginning to question the validity of these inflated prices.
And where is all the added revenue going one might ask. To the players' pockets is where. OK, clubs spend more on Academies and back staff than they used to but the fact remains that the bulk of the money is sustaining some very expensive coke habits.
However there are definite signs that interest in football has reached its peak and is beginning to decline a little as evidenced by recent falls in attendances and slightly smaller tv audiences (in this country at any rate)
I believe we are on the threshold of a change which will see the monies gleaned from attendances will soon be surpassed by those gained from other sources- tv, sponsorship, etc.
Now I do not believe there will ever be a period in my lifetime when football in this country will ever be less than the no.1 sport in this country but we should guard against complacency- some of us remember how attendances plummetted in the seventies and I believe that to protect the high interest in currently obtaining the product must be sold realistically.
From a personal point of view I believe that the sheer predictability of the Premeirship in which everybody but a fool knows which four teams will finish in the top four next season, and the season after that etc etc will eventually cause some people to turn their backs on the beautiful game.
Surely the way forward is to impose a wage cap on the players so that we have a more equal playing field- at the moment only the elite can offer the best players the best wages and the rest scrabble round for the crumbs. OK, I anticipate that some of you will say that corruption will prosper under these circumstances and I accept that is the likeliest scenario but with swingeing penalties for miscreants - ie immediate relegation, it could be enforced; after all the American football leagues follow this policy and the real beneficaries are the fans. Football for all, for a tenner is my mantra and I'm sticking to it.

Ok lets say we have 30,000 at every home game paying £10 income equals £300,000 multiply that by 19 games equals £5,700000 on the gate. Don't think we will compete with anyone else in the Prem but at least the ground will be full. tomatoes
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Tbeddows
May 10 2007, 01:12 PM
Quite late on in the season it seemed to dawn on Sullivan, Gold etc. that the team was regularly playing in front of half empty stadiums and they reluctantly seemed to reach the conclusion that to fill the place it might be a good idea to offer a few concessions- and then what happened?
It seems to me that football has been enjoying an almost unprecendented popularity with the public and with that popularity comes increased demand for the product which forces up prices to the point where some people are beginning to question the validity of these inflated prices.
And where is all the added revenue going one might ask. To the players' pockets is where. OK, clubs spend more on Academies and back staff than they used to but the fact remains that the bulk of the money is sustaining some very expensive coke habits.
However there are definite signs that interest in football has reached its peak and is beginning to decline a little as evidenced by recent falls in attendances and slightly smaller tv audiences (in this country at any rate)
I believe we are on the threshold of a change which will see the monies gleaned from attendances will soon be surpassed by those gained from other sources- tv, sponsorship, etc.
Now I do not believe there will ever be a period in my lifetime when football in this country will ever be less than the no.1 sport in this country but we should guard against complacency- some of us remember how attendances plummetted in the seventies and I believe that to protect the high interest in currently obtaining the product must be sold realistically.
From a personal point of view I believe that the sheer predictability of the Premeirship in which everybody but a fool knows which four teams will finish in the top four next season, and the season after that etc etc will eventually cause some people to turn their backs on the beautiful game.
Surely the way forward is to impose a wage cap on the players so that we have a more equal playing field- at the moment only the elite can offer the best players the best wages and the rest scrabble round for the crumbs. OK, I anticipate that some of you will say that corruption will prosper under these circumstances and I accept that is the likeliest scenario but with swingeing penalties for miscreants - ie immediate relegation, it could be enforced; after all the American football leagues follow this policy and the real beneficaries are the fans. Football for all, for a tenner is my mantra and I'm sticking to it.

:applause: damn right
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tbeddows, you get my vote too. unless some form of wage capping is introduced (worldwide though, relative to local revenues) footy as we know it is doomed. what players earn these days is obscene and jimmy hill would be spinning in his grave if he'd only die!!!

really, how much money do they need and, if say the prem players were on £7500 per week, how many of them would choose other professions? you're right, none.
an example from up here this week, lee camp derby's 2nd string keeper has been on loan to qpr and is soon out of contract. derby offered him a £9000 a week RISE and he said no, he'd rather stay at qpr thanks....how much do these 3rd rate players get ffs?

its a big subject but it needs addressing within 5 years i'd say..
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bornblues64
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Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start
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bornblues64
May 11 2007, 11:08 AM
Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start

correct - the pfa should be negotiating their players contracts
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proccysotv
May 11 2007, 11:18 AM
bornblues64
May 11 2007, 11:08 AM
Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start

correct - the pfa should be negotiating their players contracts

Absolutely. I've always felt that, because they have a legal department, they know the structure and solvency of most, if not all clubs, and for goodness sake, they represent the players on everything from discipline to health.
Its not the agents who accompany them to Soho Square, nor make representation to their clubs - its the PFA.

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I found this -admittedly rather old - article on the BBC.
Because of the graphs and quotes, I've not copied it, just the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5032978.stm#map



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First fall in Premiership wages

Top English football wages continue to outstrip those of European rivals
Top English football club wages have dropped for the first time in the Premier League's history, a report from Deloitte has found.



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Sam Tyler
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proccysotv
May 11 2007, 10:18 AM
bornblues64
May 11 2007, 11:08 AM
Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start

correct - the pfa should be negotiating their players contracts

how would that make a difference ?
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gene autry
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Sam Tyler
May 11 2007, 07:15 PM
proccysotv
May 11 2007, 10:18 AM
bornblues64
May 11 2007, 11:08 AM
Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start

correct - the pfa should be negotiating their players contracts

how would that make a difference ?

Standard fees and no incentive to drive the club into the ground financially to get the best for only one player?
All players treated equally by one central department at the PFA?
Lower fees and money stays in the game, not on yachts and homes in Spain?
Less incentive to break a contract from the player and none from the PFA?

:D
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gene autry
May 11 2007, 07:42 PM
Sam Tyler
May 11 2007, 07:15 PM
proccysotv
May 11 2007, 10:18 AM
bornblues64
May 11 2007, 11:08 AM
Getting rid of scavenging agents might be a start

correct - the pfa should be negotiating their players contracts

how would that make a difference ?

Standard fees and no incentive to drive the club into the ground financially to get the best for only one player?
All players treated equally by one central department at the PFA?
Lower fees and money stays in the game, not on yachts and homes in Spain?
Less incentive to break a contract from the player and none from the PFA?

:D

The PFA are just as greedy as any agent. Their one and only objective would be to get the best deal for the player (& in turn the biggest salary for the best paid union boss in the country).
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