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Panorama; Scientology
Topic Started: May 15 2007, 09:40 AM (723 Views)
leechy
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Frank Worthington
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Last night I sat down and watched Panorama (strange but true), who were investigating the world of Scientology, for anyone that doesn't know it was started by a man called L. Ron Hubbard, who wrote books based on a self help system in the early 1950's, he then went on to call it an "applied religous philosophy" and the start of a new religion, that seems fair enough, but if you delve a little further then the whole self help system gets very twisted.

I know watching Panorama can turn anyone in to a cynic, but the ringleaders of this belief come across as complete nutters, now personally, I don't think their idea of religion is any stranger than that of most peoples, but the way they stalk and abuse anyone that questions their belief is not going to win them friends any time soon.

The journalist doing the investigation lost his head towards the end and ranted at one of the members, but to be fair, anyone who has been stalked and had his mind filled with the details of this strange organisation was going to lose it at some point, I'm all for different beleifs if good things come out of them, but this lot can stay in America, although apparently they are trying their hardest to become a religion here, thanks but no thanks.

P.S wrong section. **thumbup
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Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.
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Yes I watched it and found it very interesting! I would like to watch the scientologist version of events… they were recording at the same time!!

It was weird the way they just tried to discredit anyone who criticised their beliefs! I think they needed a stronger reporter as John Sweeney was a little humble in my opinion (until the end of course) and allowed the American guy to just talk over him, get in his face etc…

He reports some of his findings here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6655207.stm
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May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....
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Wisel
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Or Islam???
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May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

whilst I agree I did find their tactics against people who questioned them a little aggressive
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May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
Or Islam???

there had to be one who brought them up - :rolleyes:
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Hey jassy, Christians can be pretty agressive too. No-one.....I mean no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition. etc etc etc
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I just ahd to be the one didn't I....silly me.
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May 15 2007, 11:05 AM
Hey jassy, Christians can be pretty agressive too. No-one.....I mean no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition. etc etc etc

I know chap… but if you watched the show you would have seen the way they followed him everywhere, interrupted meetings, spoke over him, failing to listen or even allowing him to speak, all resulting in a mild mannered man losing it big time
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jassyblue80
May 15 2007, 11:10 AM
Wisel
May 15 2007, 11:05 AM
Hey jassy, Christians can be pretty agressive too. No-one.....I mean no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition. etc etc etc

I know chap… but if you watched the show you would have seen the way they followed him everywhere, interrupted meetings, spoke over him, failing to listen or even allowing him to speak, all resulting in a mild mannered man losing it big time

and of course they actively encourage their members to "destroy" anyone who disrespects their cult...ooops, did i say cult? should that be in the swear filter???
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proccysotv
May 15 2007, 11:13 AM
jassyblue80
May 15 2007, 11:10 AM
Wisel
May 15 2007, 11:05 AM
Hey jassy, Christians can be pretty agressive too. No-one.....I mean no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition. etc etc etc

I know chap… but if you watched the show you would have seen the way they followed him everywhere, interrupted meetings, spoke over him, failing to listen or even allowing him to speak, all resulting in a mild mannered man losing it big time

and of course they actively encourage their members to "destroy" anyone who disrespects their cult...ooops, did i say cult? should that be in the swear filter???

I don't know about that mate... but expect them to be going through your trash tonight :ph43r:
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May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
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May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....

Was it as threatening as Catholic priests raping schoolboys?
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Blues
May 15 2007, 11:40 AM
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May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....

Was it as threatening as Catholic priests raping schoolboys?

it depends on your definiton of destroying lives - that was their intention and who's to say which is worse?
also, i don't believe raping of schoolboys/choirboys is as widespread as the threats from this bunch of gangsters.
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May 15 2007, 11:43 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 11:40 AM
proccysotv
May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....

Was it as threatening as Catholic priests raping schoolboys?

it depends on your definiton of destroying lives - that was their intention and who's to say which is worse?
also, i don't believe raping of schoolboys/choirboys is as widespread as the threats from this bunch of gangsters.

Maybe not but on the other hand I can't remember the last time I read a news story about a Scientologist going to prison for threatening people.
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May 15 2007, 12:11 PM
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May 15 2007, 11:43 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 11:40 AM
proccysotv
May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....

Was it as threatening as Catholic priests raping schoolboys?

it depends on your definiton of destroying lives - that was their intention and who's to say which is worse?
also, i don't believe raping of schoolboys/choirboys is as widespread as the threats from this bunch of gangsters.

Maybe not but on the other hand I can't remember the last time I read a news story about a Scientologist going to prison for threatening people.

To be honest with you if I hadn't seen it for myself I would think its a load of tosh... however, everywhere the reporter went he was followed "discreetly" it really was like out of a film!

Like I said I would like to see the film the scientologist shot and their version of events!!
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Panorama shows you what it wants to show you. It could make fluffy kittens out to be public enemy #1 if it wanted.
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Lars_Dudley
May 15 2007, 12:33 PM
Panorama shows you what it wants to show you. It could make fluffy kittens out to be public enemy #1 if it wanted.

thats journalism for you ;)
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May 15 2007, 12:33 PM
Panorama shows you what it wants to show you. It could make fluffy kittens out to be public enemy #1 if it wanted.

panorama doesn't force people to say the things they say or to do the things they do. they may slant the coverage one way or the other, that is natural. i'm not dumb enough to believe everything i read/hear and am capable of determining when people are being genuinely threatening or not - those guys were, end of.... ;)
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True. I just think Panorama is comissioned to do so many shows about x, y and z. Nobody would watch it if they investigated something and found no dodgy dealings or creepy behind the scenes gobbledy gook. It wouldn't be a good investment for the BBC. So if they make it out like they've found stuff out that hardly anybody knew about before (and its something bad) then the BBC can justify showing it.
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proccysotv
May 15 2007, 12:46 PM
Lars_Dudley
May 15 2007, 12:33 PM
Panorama shows you what it wants to show you. It could make fluffy kittens out to be public enemy #1 if it wanted.

panorama doesn't force people to say the things they say or to do the things they do. they may slant the coverage one way or the other, that is natural. i'm not dumb enough to believe everything i read/hear and am capable of determining when people are being genuinely threatening or not - those guys were, end of.... ;)

Well I didnt watch it so can't comment. But from what I see of Panorama, they just make things out to be a whole lot worse than they are.
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May 15 2007, 12:48 PM
True. I just think Panorama is comissioned to do so many shows about x, y and z. Nobody would watch it if they investigated something and found no dodgy dealings or creepy behind the scenes gobbledy gook. It wouldn't be a good investment for the BBC. So if they make it out like they've found stuff out that hardly anybody knew about before (and its something bad) then the BBC can justify showing it.

maybe, maybe not. most times they spend weeks if not months investigating their subject prior to filming. many projects never make it to screen, most that do seem worthwhile to me even if just to alert the public to interesting stuff. if people think they falsify stuff the answer is easy - write to the press complaints commission and then watch it no more.... ;)
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Lars_Dudley
May 15 2007, 11:33 AM
Panorama shows you what it wants to show you. It could make fluffy kittens out to be public enemy #1 if it wanted.

With all due respect, what Panorama showed you was the tip of the iceberg. I have seen these people operate at close hand and they have a structured method of destroying people. I would genuinely advise people not to have anything to do with them - they are an unbelievably dangerous organisation. Try googling the internet and you will soon find many instances of people being drived to suicide, stalked, intimidated. They will try anything to discredit and frighten people who disagree or stand up to them. I believe some countries, such as Holland and Germany, have stricter legislation against cults such as Scientology - the Government should be doing more.

And please, this is not a religion, it is a very dangerous cult. As I said, information on the true nature of this organisation is easy to find on the internet.
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bottom line is, they want your money and they need to control your mind to get it - a very dangerous set of people with a strong motive to keep you "in the circle"
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May 15 2007, 11:11 AM
proccysotv
May 15 2007, 11:43 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 11:40 AM
proccysotv
May 15 2007, 11:04 AM
Blues
May 15 2007, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't find Scientology any more far fetched than Christianity.

i agree with that, apart from their overtly threatening behaviour....

Was it as threatening as Catholic priests raping schoolboys?

it depends on your definiton of destroying lives - that was their intention and who's to say which is worse?
also, i don't believe raping of schoolboys/choirboys is as widespread as the threats from this bunch of gangsters.

Maybe not but on the other hand I can't remember the last time I read a news story about a Scientologist going to prison for threatening people.

Try these for starters mate. And there's plenty where this came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

http://www.solitarytrees.net/pubs/latimes/la90-1c.htm

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