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| Borja Oubina Melendez (known as Oubina); Signed on season long loan (Merged) | |
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| Bluebird | Sep 1 2007, 08:10 AM Post #151 |
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Well said Willie.... I agree with every word.... Ooooh! I've just taken a dizzy turn.... OK Matron; Find me a chair.... :rolleyes: But you are right mate **thumbup Brucie has worked miracles in the transfer market with the money he hasn't been given.... Compare where we are now to the last time we were promoted.... And if Brucie was given an open cheque book who would he sign and how much better would we gel and perform? And what type of players with what type of attitudes would we get? The Big Time Charlies have gone.... The mistake of signing those who have turned us down in the past ala Butt followed by the non contact with Collins John has been learned.... You have one opportunity with Blues.... Take it or lose the chance.... Brucie has assembled a squad who represent the fans.... Good, honest, hardworking and full of desire to show the world their talents and what is possible! I would sooner be relegated with that team fighting for us than a bunch of Fancy Dans (no reference to Neil btw) :kiss: |
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| Bobbyzimmerframe | Sep 1 2007, 08:34 AM Post #152 |
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Why are some people so sceptical about his being a defensive midfielder? If he's better than the guys we've already got in that position then bring him asap. Besides if isn't better than Nafti, Johnson et al he must be pretty cr@p. |
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| evanio | Sep 1 2007, 08:38 AM Post #153 |
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Curtis Davies will sign for viler for 8.5 million after the season long loan, Albion structured a similar deal with Manchester United recently for the Polish keeper. If our board had shown a little more faith in the manager when Davies could have joined us from Luton, then they would have earned a little more cash to put towards a 'big 'un' signing. You know the 'big 'un signing that never happens. Partizan is a lot nearer the truth than the board admin on this one IMO, and I'd say the fact we've lost a 1/3 of our Premiership season sales in 2 to 3 years suggests many others think the same too. |
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| scudwalker | Sep 1 2007, 09:46 AM Post #154 |
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:Blues: Well whatever anybody thinks the Fat lady has sang and the transfer window is now just a memory. Welcome to all the newcomers and well done Brucie on getting players in. Now comes the pressure bit do they all fit together and will they play their socks off as we demand????? One thing of note there does not seem to be an over aged journey man amongst them which is promising. |
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| Willie | Sep 1 2007, 10:17 AM Post #155 |
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If the vile want to pay that sort of money for Davies then fine it will continue their stratergy of spending over the odds on English players. The fact is we had the opportunity to sign him some 2 years ago. and we did not that was two years ago life's too short to dwell on what might have been. I remember some years ago we had the chance to sign a left winger for £150k and we did not as the club would not pay the money............ Its up to you who's opinion you feel more at home with. As for the season tickets issue yes prices are high but there are other factors which should be taken into account. which are not related to football. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Sep 1 2007, 12:32 PM Post #156 |
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You make a good argument Willie and true Vile do pay over the odds but at the same time it shows they have some ambition It was well documented we were after Steve Sidwell when he first started to make an impression with Reading during their promotion year when we were in the PL But I'm well peed off over Curtis Davies just as I was over Scharner..........Here is one player who is a genuine future England centre half and possibly an England captain and we could have snapped him up had we agreed to pay 3 million to Luton and instead he went to the Baggies (not exactly the Arsenal of the Midlands are they ??? )...........Scharner is a very good central defender who merits a better club....I mean he chose Wigan over us ....Yeah WIGAN FFS And when have Middlesboro ever been Bigger than BCFC ?....people have got to be laughing....they were a yo yo club during the 90's and never won a major trophy until 2004 and even we have had appeared in more Euro Finals than them too....yet Maccarone,Tuncay and now Mido have all gone there instead of St Andrews although I have to admit Maccorone was a waste of space TBH The club need to do 3 things 1 - Overhaul the Academy and get a better scouting network for young talent....we can't rely on Arsene Wenger forevermore 2 - Keep our transfer business and targets secretive...just as Arsenal themselves tend to do 3 - When Mr Yeung comes in for complete control he has to be prepared put in vast amounts of cash for team strengthening and prove we are ambitious enough to aim for the top 6 or 7 ...............Pompey,Vile and West Ham have all been doing that |
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| franscar | Sep 1 2007, 02:48 PM Post #157 |
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1 - The Academy is doing just fine under Terry Westley. He can't be expected to miracle up six or seven potential internationals within a few months. It takes years and years to develop a good youth set-up. It doesn't simply happen. Look how long it took Arsenal to start producing good quality youngsters after Wenger came in, or how long after Fergie took over at United before the youth set-up started producing the world class talents that rumbled off the production line. Blues started from a very abject position based on poor judgments when Sullivan and Gold first took over. Terry is working to rectify that. You can live in the past and just use it as a stick to beat the owners with, or you can move on and see what's been done to put things right. Blues have some great kids in the Academy at the moment, but they are just that, kids. They need a long-term approach, not a short-term flash in the pan "solution". An overhaul to the system now would destroy their chance, and probably the chances of the next two or three generations coming through. 2 - How can Blues keep their targets secretive when every hour of everyday there is a huge section of the fanbase demanding to know what's going on? How many threads were started on this messageboard (and no doubt mirrored on EVERY Blues board) when by the middle of June we hadn't signed anyone? With regard to targets, they're damned if they say anything, and they're damned if they don't. Not a word came out of the club OFFICIALLY about the vast majority of our targets this summer until they were done, or as near as done. Most of the talk that ended up in the papers came from agents and "sources". Bruce, Brady, Sullivan, whoever, have no control over these wagging tongues. They are not Blues' responsibility. 3 - Pompey, West Ham and viler have spent huge sums of cash and, as yet, have gotten precisely nowhere. We'll see where they are come May, but I'd be confident in my assertion that none of them will make the top seven. So what does having "ambition" count for in that case? Absolutely nothing. They are merely the playthings for some very rich people. Blues haven't been. If that's what Yeung wants to do then more power to him, but if he doesn't then constant bleating of the word "ambition" won't achieve anything. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Sep 1 2007, 05:16 PM Post #158 |
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Have to question those statements I'm afraid 1 - Yeah,we'd prefer to live in the past because this club used to produce talent such as Trevor Francis,Kenny Burns,Bob Latchford,Joe Gallagher,Tony Coton,Kevin Dillon,Mark Dennis etc and I guess I should include AJ too ..I could go on How long did it take Fergie or Wenger ?? Are you serious ?? These two big clubs of the English game have always produced young talent.....remember George Best,Bobby Charlton,Norman Whiteside,Charlie George,Frank Stapleton,Liam Brady,Paul Merson....etc etc 2 - Sven Goran Ericksson signed ALL of his new imports at Man City before anyone had the chance to say "Transfer window".....that's how it's done...look how quickly Middlesboro sign their new players ....Little or NO Fuss....not even a gripe from Mido about clauses or money ....Explain that one if you can 3 - Believe me Pompey will finish above us,their signings have been impressive particularly Kanu,Campbell,James and now Utaka ....they have a manager who knows a bit more about this league than the guy we currently are lumbered with.... West Ham have already beaten us on our own patch and Vile are still above us and have actually played TWO games less.......What are on earth are you talking about ??? These clubs are ambitious....this 'plaything' scheme is just a petty line to support your very poor argument If Carson Yeung uses BCFC as a plaything but we went on win the FA Cup or the Carling Cup....I certainly won't complain KRO |
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| Prem_Noob | Sep 1 2007, 05:21 PM Post #159 |
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Kanu,Campbell,James rthey are paying big bucks for these players something our board will never agree to unless they are free |
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| Willie | Sep 1 2007, 05:33 PM Post #160 |
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A lot of clubs are buying in their youth players as there is a recognised shortage in english talent. When you are Man U getting the best talent is not too difficult. When Arsenal have to buy in their young players it shows that the problem is not limited to Bcfc and other clubs. The vile have sold off most of their young talent "ie" Ridgewell, Davis etc. Errikson had a head start but then again he did have £40m to spend Boro's transfer dealings with Mido were totally different to our, IMO he used bcfc to alert other clubs of his avaliability. Pompey Vile, westham have all spent how much ?? a lot more than bcfc have is that down to Bruce ?? |
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| franscar | Sep 1 2007, 05:51 PM Post #161 |
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1 - Fergie's first task at United was overhauling a failed youth system. You're cherrypicking names from Arsenal and United across a fifty year time period, in the mid-80s in United's case there was Whiteside as a shining beacon amongst piles of tat (Ralph Milne, Russell Beardsmore etc.), and in Arsenal's case the early-mid 90s were a barren wasteland of Ian Selley's and David Hillier's before Wenger came along and introduced a new system. I'm not saying Blues didn't produce young talent in the past, but when Sullivan and Gold came in the production line was cut off. It was a mistake. Such mistakes take time to rectify. That's exactly what the Academy are doing now. But it takes a long, long time to restore a footballing academy to its former glory. It took Fergie time, it took Wenger time, it will take Blues time. Impatience will get us absolutely nowhere. Terry Westley cannot simply magic up a group of seventeen year olds who are all ready for Premiership football. Give him a group of talented thirteen year olds and four years though and he might be capable of it. But that takes four years, not four weeks. 2 - Middlesbrough have signed their new players in the main precisely as quickly as we have. The names of Tuncay, Aliadiere, Mido, Luke Young, were ALL linked with Boro for as long as the likes of Kapo, De Ridder and Ridgewell were with Blues. They have a local media up there throwing names around like confetti too y'know, it's not just the Evening Mail. The only name Blues signed that dragged on was Djourou, and that was a result of Arsenal deliberating over whether to allow the deal to go ahead. That isn't Blues' fault. When you start going on about contracts and clauses you're leaving your original point about Blues keeping quiet about transfer targets behind. I can only assume that's because my point about the fanbase demanding up to the minute details on everything that goes on is unanswerable. If the fans didn't demand to be told everything that was going on, and didn't scream SACK THE BOARD when a day went by without a transfer being made, then maybe it would be easier for the club to keep it's targets more secret. Until that time, expect there to be the same level of speculation at Blues as there is at every other club, Premiership or otherwise. 3 - With the exception of Portsmouth who were on around the same level, West Ham and viler have predominantly been above us. It isn't a case of "ambition", it's a case of having a healthier starting position. I don't recall ever saying we would finish above any of them, just that you seem to think that throwing money around is going to guarantee these teams a top eight finish. It won't. Read the point being made. These three sides won't break into that "top six or seven" you talk about, "ambition" or no ambition. They have spent gigantic sums and they will finish mid-table. Is that the sum of "ambition" these days? To finish mid-table and be in debted to an Icelandic or Lithuanian or American? If you don't actually read the points being made, then yes, they will appear to be poor. But when you actually take the time to read them instead of making up whatever you want to read, then you may begin to appreciate what has been written. If you can't be bothered with that then I'll just not waste anymore of my time. |
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| CarrotBlu | Sep 1 2007, 05:52 PM Post #162 |
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It was Oubina's fault we lost today, damn him not signing before 12 noon so he could play. :rolleyes: |
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| blusabre | Sep 1 2007, 06:07 PM Post #163 |
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1 - Fergie's first task at United was overhauling a failed youth system. You're cherrypicking names from Arsenal and United across a fifty year time period, in the mid-80s in United's case there was Whiteside as a shining beacon amongst piles of tat (Ralph Milne, Russell Beardsmore etc.), and in Arsenal's case the early-mid 90s were a barren wasteland of Ian Selley's and David Hillier's before Wenger came along and introduced a new system. I'm not saying Blues didn't produce young talent in the past, but when Sullivan and Gold came in the production line was cut off. It was a mistake. Such mistakes take time to rectify. That's exactly what the Academy are doing now. But it takes a long, long time to restore a footballing academy to its former glory. It took Fergie time, it took Wenger time, it will take Blues time. Impatience will get us absolutely nowhere. Terry Westley cannot simply magic up a group of seventeen year olds who are all ready for Premiership football. Give him a group of talented thirteen year olds and four years though and he might be capable of it. But that takes four years, not four weeks. 2 - Middlesbrough have signed their new players in the main precisely as quickly as we have. The names of Tuncay, Aliadiere, Mido, Luke Young, were ALL linked with Boro for as long as the likes of Kapo, De Ridder and Ridgewell were with Blues. They have a local media up there throwing names around like confetti too y'know, it's not just the Evening Mail. The only name Blues signed that dragged on was Djourou, and that was a result of Arsenal deliberating over whether to allow the deal to go ahead. That isn't Blues' fault. When you start going on about contracts and clauses you're leaving your original point about Blues keeping quiet about transfer targets behind. I can only assume that's because my point about the fanbase demanding up to the minute details on everything that goes on is unanswerable. If the fans didn't demand to be told everything that was going on, and didn't scream SACK [/QUOTE] For what its worth I totally agree with you. |
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| Kyle-KRO | Sep 1 2007, 06:26 PM Post #164 |
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Im just glad we saved this performance until after the window was closed. He may well have thought twice... |
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| Borja | Sep 2 2007, 09:34 AM Post #165 |
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Hi! I´m from Vigo (and Celta suportter), and i can say that Borja Oubiña is a great player. But i am not the only one, Guardiola has said that he is one of the best midfielders of Spain, Schuster wanted him for Real Madrid, Victor Fernandez (Zaragoza´s Manager) prefered him over Luccin.... He is a defensive midfielder, but with offesinve skills, he works a lot and never have been a problem in Vigo. You can read the Celta fans opinion here http://foro.delcelta.com/viewtopic.php?t=7185&start=0 Some people is hungry with him, because he leave Celta. Ande here, sometimes he answered cuestions of fans. Now i am a Birmingham fan! :banner: De Ridder, and Borja, you are a lucky team :applause: |
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| bornblues64 | Sep 2 2007, 09:37 AM Post #166 |
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¿tenemos suerte? ¿Conoce a nuestro mierda de entrenador? |
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| Borja | Sep 2 2007, 09:39 AM Post #167 |
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No one is happy qith his manager, but we have a crack, Hristo Stokckhov :LMAO: |
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| bornblues64 | Sep 2 2007, 09:44 AM Post #168 |
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Ja ja ja ¡suerte por esta temporada! |
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| westcountryblue | Sep 2 2007, 09:58 AM Post #169 |
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hola borja welcom a Ciudad de Birmingham Fc :banner: |
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| tim | Sep 3 2007, 11:55 AM Post #170 |
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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been posted... according to icbirmingham icbirmingham Oubina was tipped for a £8million transfer from Celta Vigo to Benfica before Blues stepped into the reckoning. I don't know much about this bloke, but he can't be half bad and after Saturday's performance - we need him in the middle sharpish! :Blues: |
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| Lars_Dudley | Sep 3 2007, 12:31 PM Post #171 |
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Ditto. Out of everyone on the board, I think franscar talks to most sense. |
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| PA_nomore! | Sep 3 2007, 01:00 PM Post #172 |
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Perspective: We're level on points with Spurs We're above the relegation zone We've just signed one of the highest rated players in Spain Only Chelsea have scored more PL goals this season We've only played one bad game We've had a few shaky performances. It's not effected our season at all. We're actually doing quite well. I'm glad Bruce didn't go for an all out attacking option in midfield. Muamba is a destroyer, Oubina is a technical player who can pass. The wingers and forwards will be getting a supply of forward balls we've been lacking in recent games. We DON'T need firepower from central midfield. We need a technical player, a balanced player who can break up attacks and feed the runners. Mcsheffrey, Kapo, Forssell and Jerome are definite goal getters. It also allows us to drop Djourou back into defence, which make us even stronger back there. It's a shame Bruce has his knockers. IMO... he's been ******* excellent. He's been enjoying himself lately aswell, I don't know how everyone else feels... but I actually like seeing him happy, he looked like he was on his death bed during the relegation season. He's done better than anyone could of expected of him, given the money as his disposal. The transfer window is closed. Let's stop debating it and ENCOURAGE everyone that is BCFC, not DEPRESS them. |
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| 98melvillej | Sep 3 2007, 01:13 PM Post #173 |
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:applause: :applause: :applause: I salute you sir for your optimism and spirit. I agree with you as well, lets give the team our support and let them prove the doubters wrong. KRO :banner: :Blues: :lager: |
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| Lars_Dudley | Sep 3 2007, 01:14 PM Post #174 |
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Great post but must bring you up on one point.. Liverpool have scored as much as us this season in one game... They put 6 past Derby.. thats as many as we've scored this season isnt it? |
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| VigoGirl | Sep 3 2007, 02:12 PM Post #175 |
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... Now... that's a good joke! (I mean, Stoichkov being a good manager) ===== Anyways, Oubina's topic here... so... is there any pic of him with in Bham's colours?? -believe me, he is a terrific siging. Now, some words by Brucey: 'Bruce pleased to get Oubina' STEVE Bruce today said he was satisfied at landing Borja Oubina on loan. Oubina was tipped for a £8million transfer from Celta Vigo to Benfica before Blues stepped into the reckoning. They agreed to pay Celta Vigo around £880,000 as a loan fee to take Oubina to the season's end, with a view to a permanent deal. "Very early in the week, it looked odds-on as if he was going to Benfica," said Bruce. "That didn't happen, and we jumped on the back of it. "Oubina's a quality player, he captained his club last season and he played 30-odd times. "He has two caps for Spain and I'm delighted he's come here," he added. He is regarded as a defensive pivot who can create and break forward. Although not blessed with great pace, he keeps possesion and passes the ball well. Cheeeeers! VigoGirl. |
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