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7 Million Net; how much !!!!!!
Topic Started: Sep 1 2007, 04:20 PM (1,020 Views)
Willie
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bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:52 PM
Willie
Sep 1 2007, 04:49 PM
bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:44 PM
Willie
Sep 1 2007, 04:42 PM
bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:36 PM
Can someone explain this net spend business? for i am obviously too thick to understand it.

Is it a bit like this. ?? Sell a player for 1 million - buy a player for 1 million = net spend 0???????

If so its utter rubbish , no offence intended.

Its called massaging figures to suit an argument by certain members of the media who quite frankly should know better.

You spend £64m


you recoup £30.5m

net spend =£33.5m

:whistle:

Exactly you have spent 64 million, thank you. No matter what you get back you have still spent 64 million.

yes you have but that is not exactly true as you have to balance the books. by taking into account the monies brought in as well.

I agree but how many times in your life have you ever seen "Net Spend" figures being used where football transfers are concerned, ive followed football for most of my life and have never heard this net spend thing before.

Must be a new concept, i must keep up with the times :P

:applause: By Jove i think he's got it :P
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Willie
Sep 1 2007, 05:54 PM
bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:52 PM
Willie
Sep 1 2007, 04:49 PM
bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:44 PM
Willie
Sep 1 2007, 04:42 PM
bornblues64
Sep 1 2007, 05:36 PM
Can someone explain this net spend business? for i am obviously too thick to understand it.

Is it a bit like this. ?? Sell a player for 1 million - buy a player for 1 million = net spend 0???????

If so its utter rubbish , no offence intended.

Its called massaging figures to suit an argument by certain members of the media who quite frankly should know better.

You spend £64m


you recoup £30.5m

net spend =£33.5m

:whistle:

Exactly you have spent 64 million, thank you. No matter what you get back you have still spent 64 million.

yes you have but that is not exactly true as you have to balance the books. by taking into account the monies brought in as well.

I agree but how many times in your life have you ever seen "Net Spend" figures being used where football transfers are concerned, ive followed football for most of my life and have never heard this net spend thing before.

Must be a new concept, i must keep up with the times :P

:applause: By Jove i think he's got it :P

Whichever way it is buttered up , the investment this season despite more promises is Poor

it is the same every year


as pop pop says

Break the circle :kiss:
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Sep 1 2007, 04:26 PM
This board has always done everything on the cheap if they can and ripped the fans off if they can,I will be glad when the take over happens and someone realisles that you have to spend money to get good players.
And before some of you say something different,we had a massive increase in tv money this season so we should have been looking to spend at least 20-25 million .

well said
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Sep 1 2007, 04:23 PM
Not sure I agree fully as you have to factor in wages.

We have a few good loans which involve loan fees and high wages.

You may or may not be right, all I'm saying is the measure needs to involve loan fees and wages. I still feel our squad is still in the best 15 in the League.

:banghead: :banghead: FFS why do people keep factoring in wages?? no other club does, just this unambitious board do that and the blind followers :silence: did you believe that we had the squad to be in the top 15 last time we were in the prem?
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All of the above shows why the gates are down and will remain so.

No feel good factor at the club, no sense of anticipation. Same old. Full stop.

Still think they'll survive but its not enough. Its no fun anymore.
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Sep 1 2007, 08:07 PM
All of the above shows why the gates are down and will remain so.

No feel good factor at the club, no sense of anticipation. Same old. Full stop.

Still think they'll survive but its not enough. Its no fun anymore.

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Its no fun anymore


That is the problem it is not fun anymore, people are being bombarded with football they watch the likes of Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea etc and thier expectation levels go up they want blues to play like them,

they listen to the pundits who apart from Charlie Nicholas do not have a good word to say about bcfc, and despite what folks will say these camments do have an influence on peoples attitudes towards the club.

Until the power of Sky and Setanta is diminshed and football is given back to the clubs and fans. nothing will change except the fans will be come even more alianated.......
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garrybaldy
Sep 1 2007, 05:20 PM
Something i picked up on in Tom Ross' commentary today and i don't think people have really thought about this

" well really what do we expect when the Manager has spent 7 million net, the LEAST any club in this division has spent"


Is it really less than any other club ?

According to the Sporting life website, the following clubs have spent less than £7 million pounds GROSS (so probably NET fees even less)

Bolton
Wigan
Reading
Blackburn


This does not include undisclosed fees, but Tom Ross has no more idea how much these undisclosed fees are than I have.

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Spent
Muamba £2m
Ridgewell £2m
Queudrue £2m
O'Connor £2.6m
Kapo £1.3m
Schmitz loan
Djourou loan
de Ridder free
Kingson free
Parnaby free
Oubina loan
Kallon on trial
Brought in
DJ £1.1 million
Clemence £750,000.

We get minimum £30 million tv money this season.

Prices have gone up, but so has revenue pro rata.

Other clubs are prepared to be competitive, we are not. Buy the best players, get the best results, ain't rocket science.
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Sep 1 2007, 04:23 PM
Not sure I agree fully as you have to factor in wages.

We have a few good loans which involve loan fees and high wages.

You may or may not be right, all I'm saying is the measure needs to involve loan fees and wages. I still feel our squad is still in the best 15 in the League.



Are you David Sullivan in disguise or does he write your scripts.

Yukubu went to Everton for £11m. doing the math. your way you can at least double that over the length of his contract. Makes our outlay look pretty sick doesn't it!! Everton aren't considered as one of the teams who will finish amongst the big hitters.

As I have said on another post. The team that slaughtered us today. Run of the mill, middle of the table Middlesborough have during their stay in the Prem. spent £300M. And that's not to win things, but just to stay in the league.

Mido, made a big difference today. What a difference he would have made in a blue shirt.

Brucie worked hard to get him. Without all the "argy-bargy" about buy out clauses we would have signed him before anyone else had a chance.

The reason we failed was because the board were more worried about losing a "few bob" if we were relegated than buying a player who would have helped to keep us up!! What a positive way of looking at things. Watching him play against us Brucie must have felt suicidal!!

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Bolton
Wigan
Reading
Blackburn

are all established premier league clubs so they didn't have to buy complete new squads. Bruce has had to buy 12 players with £7 million ponds.
Whether he is a good manager a lousy manager or not that is an absolute joke.
No need to massage any figures :whistle:
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The 7 million net is different if you believe what is
printed in the times. Below is what they say we have spent and recieved.

Birmingham £14.2m

IN Daniel de Ridder (Celta Vigo, free), Johan Djourou (Arsenal, loan till Jan), Olivier Kapo (Juventus, £3m), Richard Kingson (Hammarby, free), Fabrice Muamba (Arsenal, £4m), Garry O’Connor (Lokomotiv Moscow, £2.7m), Wilson Palacios (Olimpia, loan till Jan), Stuart Parnaby (Middlesbrough, free), Franck Queudrue (Fulham, £2.5m), Liam Ridgewell (arston viler, £2m), Rafael Schmitz (Lille, season loan).
OUT Sone Aluko (Aberdeen, loan till Jan), Mathew Birley (released), DJ Campbell (Leicester City, £2.1m), Stephen Clemence (Leicester City, £1m), Julian Gray (Coventry City, free), Neil Kilkenny (Oldham Athletic, loan till Jan), Adam Legzdins (released), Bruno N’Gotty (Leicester City, free), Samuel Oji (Leyton Orient, month loan), Nick Wright (released
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Reading have spent £3.9 million
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Reading have spent £3.9 million on 12 players :o
are you sure :LOL:
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Willie
Sep 1 2007, 07:20 PM
Keith Bowker
Sep 1 2007, 08:07 PM
All of the above shows why the gates are down and will remain so.

No feel good factor at the club, no sense of anticipation. Same old. Full stop.

Still think they'll survive but its not enough. Its no fun anymore.

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Its no fun anymore


That is the problem it is not fun anymore, people are being bombarded with football they watch the likes of Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea etc and thier expectation levels go up they want blues to play like them,

they listen to the pundits who apart from Charlie Nicholas do not have a good word to say about bcfc, and despite what folks will say these camments do have an influence on peoples attitudes towards the club.

Until the power of Sky and Setanta is diminshed and football is given back to the clubs and fans. nothing will change except the fans will be come even more alianated.......

Your right Willie, don't die of shock that i agree with you, personally though i don't watch other games on TV i watch Blues and England and maybe the CL if a British club is in the final, I support BCFC any other club are of no interest to me, so i don't enjoy watching them. :lager:
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Sep 1 2007, 08:20 PM
That is the problem it is not fun anymore, people are being bombarded with football they watch the likes of Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea etc and thier expectation levels go up they want blues to play like them,

Have to agree with that Willie - although after witnessing yesterdays debacle I am going to stop watching Man U, Chelski and Arsenal and stop dreaming that the Blues can emulate their displays
Instead I am off down the local playing field to watch a pub team - then I will start dreaming that we can emulate the dog and duck :D
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As I have said on another post. The team that slaughtered us today. Run of the mill, middle of the table Middlesborough have during their stay in the Prem. spent £300M. And that's not to win things, but just to stay in the league.


Can you show me evidence of Middlesbrough spending £300m during their stay in the Premiership? I know they have spent a fair bit, but nowhere near £300m.
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That is the problem it is not fun anymore, people are being bombarded with football they watch the likes of Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea etc and thier expectation levels go up they want blues to play like them,

they listen to the pundits who apart from Charlie Nicholas do not have a good word to say about bcfc, and despite what folks will say these camments do have an influence on peoples attitudes towards the club.


I find the first part of the that hugely condasending, fans don't expect Blues to compete with Man U or Chelsea, but they would like to compete with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough or even Fulham who are miles ahead in the transfer market.

As for pundits, another misnomer, for all the Macinally's there are the Tony Cottee's who are positive about Blues/

This all strikes me as a smokescreen to cover the real problems at Blues, why not highlight the obvious limitations of the manager or the fiscal reluctance of the board when you can blame Charlie Nicholas?

Willie, the problems at Blues lie within Blues, not at Sky.
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Sep 2 2007, 11:59 AM
The 7 million net is different if you believe what is
printed in the times. Below is what they say we have spent and recieved.

Birmingham £14.2m

IN Daniel de Ridder (Celta Vigo, free), Johan Djourou (Arsenal, loan till Jan), Olivier Kapo (Juventus, £3m), Richard Kingson (Hammarby, free), Fabrice Muamba (Arsenal, £4m), Garry O’Connor (Lokomotiv Moscow, £2.7m), Wilson Palacios (Olimpia, loan till Jan), Stuart Parnaby (Middlesbrough, free), Franck Queudrue (Fulham, £2.5m), Liam Ridgewell (arston viler, £2m), Rafael Schmitz (Lille, season loan).
OUT Sone Aluko (Aberdeen, loan till Jan), Mathew Birley (released), DJ Campbell (Leicester City, £2.1m), Stephen Clemence (Leicester City, £1m), Julian Gray (Coventry City, free), Neil Kilkenny (Oldham Athletic, loan till Jan), Adam Legzdins (released), Bruno N’Gotty (Leicester City, free), Samuel Oji (Leyton Orient, month loan), Nick Wright (released

Yes that is the true spend, trouble is it makes Bruce look a bit silly so we have to massage the figures and go "net" spend to make him look a bit better and to get people feeling sorry for him and to show what a hard done by manager he is.

All this as well after he says he has his best squad ever, but that line is conveniently massaged by the witnesses as "well what do you expect him to say"

I have heard that it wasn't really Bruce in charge yesterday, he was ill and a double was arranged to stand in.

I hear he is really angry with the performance of his double and as vowed to return for the Bolton game, he is reported to be fuming that one of his centre halfs was played in midfield, the stand in forgot to play a left back and Kapo was left to wander around the pitch aimlessly becasue the double did not know where to play him, then when it came to the subs the worst player on the pitch was left on.

Also he is being hindered by the international break which has come as a complete surprise and he is set to lose 8-9 players to their countries, he is going to try his best to rally his young and starving squad for the Bolton game but has warned that due to players away he may have to send the double in again but has promised to tell the double how the game should be played according to his gospel.

So there you go, absolutely nothing to worry about, alls rosy in the garden and we can all look forward to a bright future, you've never had it so good.

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Sep 2 2007, 02:36 PM
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That is the problem it is not fun anymore, people are being bombarded with football they watch the likes of Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea etc and thier expectation levels go up they want blues to play like them,

they listen to the pundits who apart from Charlie Nicholas do not have a good word to say about bcfc, and despite what folks will say these camments do have an influence on peoples attitudes towards the club.


I find the first part of the that hugely condasending, fans don't expect Blues to compete with Man U or Chelsea, but they would like to compete with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough or even Fulham who are miles ahead in the transfer market.

As for pundits, another misnomer, for all the Macinally's there are the Tony Cottee's who are positive about Blues/

This all strikes me as a smokescreen to cover the real problems at Blues, why not highlight the obvious limitations of the manager or the fiscal reluctance of the board when you can blame Charlie Nicholas?

Willie, the problems at Blues lie within Blues, not at Sky.

I don't do smokescreens hooby, it was my opinion thats all
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Must be one bloody big fishing net at that price :ph43r:
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Sep 2 2007, 12:50 PM
Bolton
Wigan
Reading
Blackburn

are all established premier league clubs so they didn't have to buy complete new squads. Bruce has had to buy 12 players with £7 million ponds.
Whether he is a good manager a lousy manager or not that is an absolute joke.
No need to massage any figures :whistle:

Wigan and Reading are not established Premiership sides - 2 and 1 seasons respectively. We had 4 seasons first time round, time enough to be established, but then there were people moaning that not enough was spent on players. Why did Bruce need more money then than other teams require now ?
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Sep 2 2007, 12:59 PM
The 7 million net is different if you believe what is
printed in the times. Below is what they say we have spent and recieved.

Birmingham £14.2m

IN Daniel de Ridder (Celta Vigo, free), Johan Djourou (Arsenal, loan till Jan), Olivier Kapo (Juventus, £3m), Richard Kingson (Hammarby, free), Fabrice Muamba (Arsenal, £4m), Garry O’Connor (Lokomotiv Moscow, £2.7m), Wilson Palacios (Olimpia, loan till Jan), Stuart Parnaby (Middlesbrough, free), Franck Queudrue (Fulham, £2.5m), Liam Ridgewell (arston viler, £2m), Rafael Schmitz (Lille, season loan).
OUT Sone Aluko (Aberdeen, loan till Jan), Mathew Birley (released), DJ Campbell (Leicester City, £2.1m), Stephen Clemence (Leicester City, £1m), Julian Gray (Coventry City, free), Neil Kilkenny (Oldham Athletic, loan till Jan), Adam Legzdins (released), Bruno N’Gotty (Leicester City, free), Samuel Oji (Leyton Orient, month loan), Nick Wright (released

So thats £11.1m net then. Where has the £7m come from ?
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Sep 2 2007, 05:28 PM
Muzzer01
Sep 2 2007, 12:59 PM
The 7 million net is different if you believe what is
printed in the times. Below is what they say we have spent and recieved.

Birmingham £14.2m

IN Daniel de Ridder (Celta Vigo, free), Johan Djourou (Arsenal, loan till Jan), Olivier Kapo (Juventus, £3m), Richard Kingson (Hammarby, free), Fabrice Muamba (Arsenal, £4m), Garry O’Connor (Lokomotiv Moscow, £2.7m), Wilson Palacios (Olimpia, loan till Jan), Stuart Parnaby (Middlesbrough, free), Franck Queudrue (Fulham, £2.5m), Liam Ridgewell (arston viler, £2m), Rafael Schmitz (Lille, season loan).
OUT Sone Aluko (Aberdeen, loan till Jan), Mathew Birley (released), DJ Campbell (Leicester City, £2.1m), Stephen Clemence (Leicester City, £1m), Julian Gray (Coventry City, free), Neil Kilkenny (Oldham Athletic, loan till Jan), Adam Legzdins (released), Bruno N’Gotty (Leicester City, free), Samuel Oji (Leyton Orient, month loan), Nick Wright (released

So thats £11.1m net then. Where has the £7m come from ?

installments being taken away?
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Funny thing is if he had only 7 million to spend how did he manage to buy all those players?

How could 14 million have been spent when only 7 million was spent.

All very confusing
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Sep 2 2007, 04:54 PM
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Sep 2 2007, 05:28 PM
Muzzer01
Sep 2 2007, 12:59 PM
The 7 million net is different if you believe what is
printed in the times. Below is what they say we have spent and recieved.

Birmingham £14.2m

IN Daniel de Ridder (Celta Vigo, free), Johan Djourou (Arsenal, loan till Jan), Olivier Kapo (Juventus, £3m), Richard Kingson (Hammarby, free), Fabrice Muamba (Arsenal, £4m), Garry O’Connor (Lokomotiv Moscow, £2.7m), Wilson Palacios (Olimpia, loan till Jan), Stuart Parnaby (Middlesbrough, free), Franck Queudrue (Fulham, £2.5m), Liam Ridgewell (arston viler, £2m), Rafael Schmitz (Lille, season loan).
OUT Sone Aluko (Aberdeen, loan till Jan), Mathew Birley (released), DJ Campbell (Leicester City, £2.1m), Stephen Clemence (Leicester City, £1m), Julian Gray (Coventry City, free), Neil Kilkenny (Oldham Athletic, loan till Jan), Adam Legzdins (released), Bruno N’Gotty (Leicester City, free), Samuel Oji (Leyton Orient, month loan), Nick Wright (released

So thats £11.1m net then. Where has the £7m come from ?

installments being taken away?

Kapo was £1.3m at this stage. More later depending on staying up and appearances.

Muamba was £2m at this stage, more on staying up and appearances.

Queudrue was £2m at this stage, more on staying up

Similarly DJ was £1.6 now and Clem £0.8m now

In total that is £10m spent and £2.4m received.

Net expenditure £7.6m.

I believe loan fees and agents fees take the total to about £10m which was the budget.
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