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Bruce Out/in?; (merged threads)
Topic Started: Sep 1 2007, 07:34 PM (1,879 Views)
gregtheblue
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Its beyond belief that SB is still the manager. He"s a nice guy, so maybe the board dont want to upset him!!... He has without doubt gone past his sell by date. Maybe put him upstairs "Director of football" but please nomore of this rubbish. Now is the time to do it ,with a little break. How about giving Black a go for 7or8 games! If not good then Jewel is available,and what a ride if Mad dog Allen was given a shot! Id also take King TF back as i think he would make a better prem manager thanin the lower leagues.
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Fahey's Right Peg
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If Blues are there or there abouts in the relegation zone, and then we lose to the viler in November, I'm predicting Brucie will get the boot.

Thoughts...
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PartisanBCFC
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I'll give him till the end of this month ....tops
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TBone
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You still need to get to the bottom of why the Board have persisted with Bruce over the years. The benefits of staying in the Prem far outway the costs of paying Bruce off.
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txblues
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If we are in the bottom 3 after the Bolton game i think SB should be gone.Our start to this season is showing signs of our last season here,no home wins at the start of the season isnt too clever. :Blues:
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Row15Blue
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OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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david_kelly
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There is an extremely good letter from a certain Mike Kelly of Kings Heath (no relation, I can assure you) in this morning's Birmingham Post. Like many of us, Mr Kelly was appalled by what happened on Teesside last Saturday, and sees the situation for what it actually is.

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Dear Editor,

Following the abysmal Birmingham City performance against Middlesbrough, Steve Bruce surpassed himself even further on Radio Five Live the same day by complaining about the academy system's production of English talent.

These critical comments coming from a manager who's own Birmingham City Academy produced Andy Johnson, a player subsequently given away to Crystal Palace by Bruce. A top-class striker, now leading the Everton cause and valued somewhere in the region of £12 million by today's transfer fee criteria. A sum enough to fund Birmingham City Academy for the next ten years or more.

Equally as culpable was Bruce's failure to handle young Germaine Pennant, now a key player in Liverpool's current success story, providing goals for most of their strikers.

Had Steve Bruce not been fortunate enough to be able to borrow talent produced by Arsenal's Academy last season, promotion to the Premier League would have been no more than a pipe dream for our club.

Bruce and David Gold appear to have a very close bond, perhaps the new part-owner of the club will analyse the record of Steve Bruce before sanctioning a new long-term contract yet to be agreed? His transfer dealings over the past few years have been a gross waste of many millions of pounds – as are his latest player signings; a player desperately wanting away from Moscow and a mediocre striker. Meanwhile, Liverpool sign Fernando Torres, scorer of a hat-trick last week-end in the 6-0 mauling of Derby County.

Another example of Steve Bruce's squandering of millions of pounds is Muzzy Izzett, from Leicester City, who has taken part in no more than ten games over two years.

I believe, close scrutiny of Steve Bruce's record over the past few seasons should see his new contract placed in the Birmingam City directors' shredding machine. A very moderate manager, of an equally moderate football team.

MIKE KELLY Kings Heath


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leech143
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Fair post IMO
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proccy_blues
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i'd like to add, i'm not pro sb, just pro bcfc.... **thumbup

ps, i may hijack from time to time to relieve the boredom of the constant stream of sb in/out posts, and i don't discriminate about either... ;)
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I'd also like to add that while I feel that everyone has the right to come on here and post their opinions on the Blues wether they attend 40, 20, 5 or no games a year, I do feel that the people who should have their say about the manager should be the ones who turn up and support the team every now and then. That way they can have their say where it counts and where it can be heard. In the past few seasons there's only been a few murmurings at the games against Bruce and only one game where there was an audible chant of any sort.

I can only assume from this that the majority of paying suporters are satisfied with the current manager as Blues supporters of days gone by have never been shy of showing their feelings. Just ask Terry Cooper.
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Hooby Groovy
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I'd also like to add that while I feel that everyone has the right to come on here and post their opinions on the Blues wether they attend 40, 20, 5 or no games a year, I do feel that the people who should have their say about the manager should be the ones who turn up and support the team every now and then. That way they can have their say where it counts and where it can be heard. In the past few seasons there's only been a few murmurings at the games against Bruce and only one game where there was an audible chant of any sort.

I can only assume from this that the majority of paying suporters are satisfied with the current manager as Blues supporters of days gone by have never been shy of showing their feelings. Just ask Terry Cooper.


As a season ticket holder disgruntled with Bruce's ability for over 2 years I don't agree with that, however that aside I think you'll find that the one who will have his say about Bruce will be the new owner.

While is may suit the current owners to keep the status quo while they have a business that remains profitable and does not need huge investments, a man who will have input about £30-£40 million and faced with falling attendances and revenues would be more likely to make drastic changes.
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birmingham200
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we should've been champions last season but got automatic promotion none the less
we've bought in 12-13 new players with pedigree and better than we had
and we've still got one of the 5 worst squads in the league........
we desperately need to stay up get a foothold and build or yeung needs to throw money at us in january ( at least his strategy of making millions in the far east makes sense)


vile are paying £8-10 million a player to get reo -coker; young; davies et al
with millionaire backing...and they'll finish mid table along with west ham who are paying similar amounts

look at united chelsea arsenal and liverpools' 2nd string-----they have awesome squads

the premier league is about making commercial revenue for 18-20 clubs ...........
it is only about winning something for 4

yeung should use sky money to reduce prices and give the team a chance with a full house
and use commercial and sky revenues to subsidise prices whilst he builds his commercial empire

football has changed...continuity over many years may build success.....but it's unlikely
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TBone
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david_kelly
Sep 6 2007, 07:14 AM
There is an extremely good letter from a certain Mike Kelly of Kings Heath (no relation, I can assure you) in this morning's Birmingham Post. Like many of us, Mr Kelly was appalled by what happened on Teesside last Saturday, and sees the situation for what it actually is.

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Dear Editor,

Following the abysmal Birmingham City performance against Middlesbrough, Steve Bruce surpassed himself even further on Radio Five Live the same day by complaining about the academy system's production of English talent.

These critical comments coming from a manager who's own Birmingham City Academy produced Andy Johnson, a player subsequently given away to Crystal Palace by Bruce. A top-class striker, now leading the Everton cause and valued somewhere in the region of £12 million by today's transfer fee criteria. A sum enough to fund Birmingham City Academy for the next ten years or more.

Equally as culpable was Bruce's failure to handle young Germaine Pennant, now a key player in Liverpool's current success story, providing goals for most of their strikers.

Had Steve Bruce not been fortunate enough to be able to borrow talent produced by Arsenal's Academy last season, promotion to the Premier League would have been no more than a pipe dream for our club.

Bruce and David Gold appear to have a very close bond, perhaps the new part-owner of the club will analyse the record of Steve Bruce before sanctioning a new long-term contract yet to be agreed? His transfer dealings over the past few years have been a gross waste of many millions of pounds – as are his latest player signings; a player desperately wanting away from Moscow and a mediocre striker. Meanwhile, Liverpool sign Fernando Torres, scorer of a hat-trick last week-end in the 6-0 mauling of Derby County.

Another example of Steve Bruce's squandering of millions of pounds is Muzzy Izzett, from Leicester City, who has taken part in no more than ten games over two years.

I believe, close scrutiny of Steve Bruce's record over the past few seasons should see his new contract placed in the Birmingam City directors' shredding machine. A very moderate manager, of an equally moderate football team.

MIKE KELLY Kings Heath

How on earth people expected Pennant not to turn down a move to Liverpool is beyond me.
And, what's with the O'Connor/Torres comparison?? Chelsea paid £28m for Shevchenko and eventually end up playing John Terry up front against the Vile 'cos he's not even in the squad...
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franscar
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So now it's Bruce out for not signing Fernando Torres?

That's stretching it.
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PartisanBCFC
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proccysotv
Sep 6 2007, 07:39 AM
i'd like to add, i'm not pro sb, just pro bcfc.... **thumbup

ps, i may hijack from time to time to relieve the boredom of the constant stream of sb in/out posts, and i don't discriminate about either... ;)

If you're not against him then you must be for him.....end of story

And I know for a fact probably the VAST majority of us who post on here are pro BCFC and behind the players

What's your point with that comment ??
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PartisanBCFC
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You made no argument why Bruce should stay ?
He's wasted close to 50 million pounds over the last 5 years and if I was Carson Yeung,I'be thinking very carefully indeed before even handing over even HALF that amount for new players in January
By the end of this month we are more than likely going to be in the bottom three so it would be a perfect time for the new owner to make changes whilst we can still salvage the season and bring in fresh and new ideas to the playing side

Diasgree about 4 clubs being the only winners
True you have to say only the Top 4 have any real chance of the PL title but there'e no reason considering the start to the season most clubs have had that ALL of the other clubs probably with the exception of Derby who look out of their depth cannot challenge for Europe or win one of the domestic trophies'

When you say Vile and Hammers will finish mid table then that's only YOUR opinion or prediction....personally I thnk Hammers may struggle again....they had Tevez in the side last year and nearly went down.....But you can't automatically presume money will buy succees but I do believe Portsmouth have spent wisely and will finish well this season out of the fringe clubs who have 'new money' so to speak
But then they have a a manager who knows a bit about the game of football...you cannot build a successful side without the right leadership and motivavtion....nobody ever has

Yes,the new owner should look at admission prices but he should take a closer look at the real ambitions of the club.....Plus I think he's a man who can be ruthless if need be
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david_kelly
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I am delighted to confirm that I am backing the club and the players.

It is just that the club's prinicipal non-playing member of staff is in my opinion holding the club back.
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david_kelly
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As this is a thread discussing whether or not the manager should remain in post (as suggested by the thread title), I propose that it is inserted into the Bruce IN/Out thread.

If it is not, I will assume that the thrust of the poster's argument coincides with those that both moderate and administer this chat board.

I await a decision with interest.


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david_kelly
Sep 6 2007, 03:10 PM
As this is a thread discussing whether or not the manager should remain in post (as suggested by the thread title), I propose that it is inserted into the Bruce IN/Out thread.

If it is not, I will assume that the thrust of the poster's argument coincides with those that both moderate and administer this chat board.

I await a decision with interest.

Moved because I felt it needed merging, not because you are suddenly trying to be a moderator.
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Letsby Avenue
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Didn't we have this thread last year, (and the year before :LMAO: ).

Someone did a list for those in favour of In & Out - his name escapes me. :D
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jackoblue
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Blacksmith
Sep 6 2007, 03:27 PM
david_kelly
Sep 6 2007, 03:10 PM
As this is a thread discussing whether or not the manager should remain in post (as suggested by the thread title), I propose that it is inserted into the Bruce IN/Out thread.

If it is not, I will assume that the thrust of the poster's argument coincides with those that both moderate and administer this chat board.

I await a decision with interest.

Moved because I felt it needed merging, not because you are suddenly trying to be a moderator.

:LOL:


Jackoblue
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Blacksmith
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I'm glad you understand that David Kelly was talking absoulte twaddle, Jacko. :rolleyes:
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Sep 6 2007, 03:39 PM
I'm glad you understand that David Kelly was talking absoulte twaddle, Jacko. :rolleyes:

I'll be meeting up with him for a drink later.

I'll pass on your kind regards. :D


Jackoblue
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proccy_blues
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PartisanBCFC
Sep 6 2007, 02:43 PM
proccysotv
Sep 6 2007, 07:39 AM
i'd like to add, i'm not pro sb, just pro bcfc.... **thumbup

ps, i may hijack from time to time to relieve the boredom of the constant stream of sb in/out posts, and i don't discriminate about either... ;)

If you're not against him then you must be for him.....end of story

What's your point with that comment ??

as someone else says, i support the players and the club. i am always ambivalent about managers and boards to an extent because they represent the business side (generally) of what should be entertainment - my support for sb therefore is at best lukewarm as he is merely holding the position until the next (temporary) incimbent does.....that's what i mean - ok now?
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Letsby Avenue
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Sep 6 2007, 03:31 PM
Didn't we have this thread last year, (and the year before :LMAO: ).

Someone did a list for those in favour of In & Out - his name escapes me. :D

Found it :D

Now, everyone read this thread, and please don't repeat the arguments, unless they are valid.

:LMAO:


http://z4.invisionfree.com/BLUES_FORUM/ind...topic=15442&hl=


:D
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