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Why We Will Struggle; not a dig at bruce!
Topic Started: Sep 2 2007, 03:09 PM (475 Views)
AndyCons
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when we first got promoted there were a lot of average teams in the league i would of classed the likes of man utd chelsea arsenal liverpool and maybe newcastle as the big teams who you would not expect much out of the game but then all the other games were very winable.. now in the past few years there are teams in the league who have gone from strength to strength because of money/good management whatever you call it. especially this year! there are teams with good squads who we will find hard to beat whereas before they wouldnt of been such a threat, i mean the likes of blackburn, everton, tottenham, man city, west ham, pompy. even boro thinking about it. in my opinion now you have the top 4. then about 7 or 8 teams in the middle then at the bottem are the derbys, blues, sunderland type sides. yeh we beat derby but i cant see where the points will come from with the big improvements in other sides. i know its early to tell but lets hope that we have a good enough squad pick up those awkward points to stay up and then hopefully we can build like they have
KRO
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tevets
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To a degree I agree with you but that just brings us back to the previous mismanagement that has meant we are starting from the bottom again.

I do really think though that potentially we have a far better team / squad than when we were first promoted. The problem is we are not utilising them to their best ability.

We were never going to storm the league but we should have enough to stay up, if we use our resources to the best of their ability. Just can’t see that happening though at the moment.
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bluebel
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AndyCons
Sep 2 2007, 04:09 PM
when we first got promoted there were a lot of average teams in the league i would of classed the likes of man utd chelsea arsenal liverpool and maybe newcastle as the big teams who you would not expect much out of the game but then all the other games were very winable.. now in the past few years there are teams in the league who have gone from strength to strength because of money/good management whatever you call it. especially this year!  there are teams with good squads who we will find hard to beat whereas before they wouldnt of been such a threat, i mean the likes of blackburn, everton, tottenham, man city, west ham, pompy. even boro thinking about it. in my opinion now you have the top 4. then about 7 or 8 teams in the middle then at the bottem are the derbys, blues, sunderland type sides. yeh we beat derby but i cant see where the points will come from with the big improvements in other sides. i know its early to tell but lets hope that we have a good enough squad pick up those awkward points to stay up and then hopefully we can build like they have
KRO

How much have Sunderland spent?

They scored 3 mins into added time against us to get an undeserved draw.
They scored 4 mins into added time against Spurs to get undeserved win!

Take 3 points off them, and where are they?

Fulham and Reading aren't looking too bright, yet Fulham have spent like there's no tomorrow!

It is early days yet, but I would much rather have our squad than Sunderland, Derby, Fulham or Reading! And that's just for starters. Stop worrying and start realising that the season is a very long one!

:Blues:

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AndyCons
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bluebel
Sep 2 2007, 03:37 PM
AndyCons
Sep 2 2007, 04:09 PM
when we first got promoted there were a lot of average teams in the league i would of classed the likes of man utd chelsea arsenal liverpool and maybe newcastle as the big teams who you would not expect much out of the game but then all the other games were very winable.. now in the past few years there are teams in the league who have gone from strength to strength because of money/good management whatever you call it. especially this year!  there are teams with good squads who we will find hard to beat whereas before they wouldnt of been such a threat, i mean the likes of blackburn, everton, tottenham, man city, west ham, pompy. even boro thinking about it. in my opinion now you have the top 4. then about 7 or 8 teams in the middle then at the bottem are the derbys, blues, sunderland type sides. yeh we beat derby but i cant see where the points will come from with the big improvements in other sides. i know its early to tell but lets hope that we have a good enough squad pick up those awkward points to stay up and then hopefully we can build like they have
KRO

How much have Sunderland spent?

They scored 3 mins into added time against us to get an undeserved draw.
They scored 4 mins into added time against Spurs to get undeserved win!

Take 3 points off them, and where are they?

Fulham and Reading aren't looking too bright, yet Fulham have spent like there's no tomorrow!

It is early days yet, but I would much rather have our squad than Sunderland, Derby, Fulham or Reading! And that's just for starters. Stop worrying and start realising that the season is a very long one!

:Blues:

yeh they are not my concern i never mentioned those teams if we are going to stay up we need to be taking points off the 'bigger' sides
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bcfcno1fan
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bluebel
Sep 2 2007, 04:37 PM
They scored 3 mins into added time against us to get an undeserved draw.
They scored 4 mins into added time against Spurs to get undeserved win!

Take 3 points off them, and where are they?


Thats not fair on Sunderland, are you saying teams should ust give up in th last few minutes??

No the best teams score goals late, how many times hve Chelsea came from behind and scored late on??

Total rubbish, you can't just take points off them because they scored late, they scored and fair play to them, because they played until the last whistle.



Up the Blues **thumbup
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garconsavage
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bcfcno1fan
Sep 2 2007, 07:50 PM

Thats not fair on Sunderland, are you saying teams should ust give up in th last few minutes??

No the best teams score goals late, how many times hve Chelsea came from behind and scored late on??

Total rubbish, you can't just take points off them because they scored late, they scored and fair play to them, because they played until the last whistle.



Up the Blues  **thumbup


No you can't take points off teams that score in the last few minutes. As long as the goal they score is within the laws of the game.

The way Sunderland achieved their draw against us would have been more appropriate to Super League than the Prem. They didn't deserve to win full stop and their performances in subsequent games prove just how lucky they were to take a point against us!!

As for spending money imo the media's darling keano has wasted money on two or three high profile players, particularly breaking the transfer record for a 'keeper. Given the same amount to spend I am sure Brucie would have made much better use of it!!
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bubs
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We need to stop watching games with blue tinted glasses :(
in the sunderland game they were denied a stone wall penalty courtesy of kelly i believe.
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jemmab1234
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Its simple really:

If you have a good chairman he will employ a good manager and supply him with the resourses to carry out his job.

If you have a good manager he will use the resourses supplied by the chairman to buy good players and mould them into a good team.

If you have good players they will get results on the pitch.

Then you have a good team and won't struggle.

How many of the above we have is open to debate.
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3 seasons ago we were on a par with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Fulham, Spurs, Man City, viler and maybe getting close to Newcastle and Everton in league status.

Then the board declared we had our best squad ever and stopped spending.

January before our relegation season we signed nobody, that summer we added nothing to the squad apart from 2 loan signings, then again in January nothing which resulted in relegation. Portsmouth were seen as dead and burried but spent £10m and stayed up at our expense.

We spent last summer but not vast amounts. We were promised a transfer fund big enough for promotion PLUS all transfer money. We spent the Pennant money and no more.
In January we sold Upson and ended up with a squad SMALLER than we had in December.

We win promotion behind Sunderland, are promised a £50m winfall and what do we get? A poxy £7m.

Since we signed Dunn and everyone that summer we have igned relatively few and have not strengthened our squad further. In fact we now have a weaker squad. We ahve some very good young, hungry players who I am glad we signed but we do not have a top 10 side.

Portsmouth, Man City, Fulham, Everton, Bolton, Newcastle, Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Spurs and almost every other Premiership club has moved forwards in the time we have been penny pinching.

We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?

We have got a bottom half team at best. No disrespect to teh players we have because we've got some very good players, miles better than we've had in the past, but we must start bringing in quality. Not cheap quality like Melchiot and Heskey but decent quality like Mido who can rip teams to bits.

Until we have a bord willing to spend the right money on the right players we will struggle no matter hwo our manager is.

Bruce did well to get us up last season and he will do well to keep us up this season. Europe? I'll accept anything from 17th place up.
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k-bek
Sep 6 2007, 10:52 AM
3 seasons ago we were on a par with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Fulham, Spurs, Man City, viler and maybe getting close to Newcastle and Everton in league status.

Then the board declared we had our best squad ever and stopped spending.

January before our relegation season we signed nobody, that summer we added nothing to the squad apart from 2 loan signings, then again in January nothing which resulted in relegation. Portsmouth were seen as dead and burried but spent £10m and stayed up at our expense.

We spent last summer but not vast amounts. We were promised a transfer fund big enough for promotion PLUS all transfer money. We spent the Pennant money and no more.
In January we sold Upson and ended up with a squad SMALLER than we had in December.

We win promotion behind Sunderland, are promised a £50m winfall and what do we get? A poxy £7m.

Since we signed Dunn and everyone that summer we have igned relatively few and have not strengthened our squad further. In fact we now have a weaker squad. We ahve some very good young, hungry players who I am glad we signed but we do not have a top 10 side.

Portsmouth, Man City, Fulham, Everton, Bolton, Newcastle, Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Spurs and almost every other Premiership club has moved forwards in the time we have been penny pinching.

We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?

We have got a bottom half team at best. No disrespect to teh players we have because we've got some very good players, miles better than we've had in the past, but we must start bringing in quality. Not cheap quality like Melchiot and Heskey but decent quality like Mido who can rip teams to bits.

Until we have a bord willing to spend the right money on the right players we will struggle no matter hwo our manager is.

Bruce did well to get us up last season and he will do well to keep us up this season. Europe? I'll accept anything from 17th place up.

have just said similar elsewhere :applause: :applause:
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k-bek
Sep 6 2007, 11:52 AM
3 seasons ago we were on a par with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Fulham, Spurs, Man City, viler and maybe getting close to Newcastle and Everton in league status.

Then the board declared we had our best squad ever and stopped spending.

January before our relegation season we signed nobody, that summer we added nothing to the squad apart from 2 loan signings, then again in January nothing which resulted in relegation. Portsmouth were seen as dead and burried but spent £10m and stayed up at our expense.

We spent last summer but not vast amounts. We were promised a transfer fund big enough for promotion PLUS all transfer money. We spent the Pennant money and no more.
In January we sold Upson and ended up with a squad SMALLER than we had in December.

We win promotion behind Sunderland, are promised a £50m winfall and what do we get? A poxy £7m.

Since we signed Dunn and everyone that summer we have igned relatively few and have not strengthened our squad further. In fact we now have a weaker squad. We ahve some very good young, hungry players who I am glad we signed but we do not have a top 10 side.

Portsmouth, Man City, Fulham, Everton, Bolton, Newcastle, Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Spurs and almost every other Premiership club has moved forwards in the time we have been penny pinching.

We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?

We have got a bottom half team at best. No disrespect to teh players we have because we've got some very good players, miles better than we've had in the past, but we must start bringing in quality. Not cheap quality like Melchiot and Heskey but decent quality like Mido who can rip teams to bits.

Until we have a bord willing to spend the right money on the right players we will struggle no matter hwo our manager is.

Bruce did well to get us up last season and he will do well to keep us up this season. Europe? I'll accept anything from 17th place up.

it is not how much we spend its how well we spend it. come on, we could sign henry, ronaldo, rooney, pennant on a free spending nothing, would you all then say we havent spent enough???????

we are never going to have the budget to spend on par with the big 4 or even 7, we have to shop around and unearth that rough diamond, we always have done and always will have too !
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MARKYMARK981
Sep 6 2007, 11:33 AM
k-bek
Sep 6 2007, 11:52 AM
3 seasons ago we were on a par with Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Fulham, Spurs, Man City, viler and maybe getting close to Newcastle and Everton in league status.

Then the board declared we had our best squad ever and stopped spending.

January before our relegation season we signed nobody, that summer we added nothing to the squad apart from 2 loan signings, then again in January nothing which resulted in relegation. Portsmouth were seen as dead and burried but spent £10m and stayed up at our expense.

We spent last summer but not vast amounts. We were promised a transfer fund big enough for promotion PLUS all transfer money. We spent the Pennant money and no more.
In January we sold Upson and ended up with a squad SMALLER than we had in December.

We win promotion behind Sunderland, are promised a £50m winfall and what do we get? A poxy £7m.

Since we signed Dunn and everyone that summer we have igned relatively few and have not strengthened our squad further. In fact we now have a weaker squad. We ahve some very good young, hungry players who I am glad we signed but we do not have a top 10 side.

Portsmouth, Man City, Fulham, Everton, Bolton, Newcastle, Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Spurs and almost every other Premiership club has moved forwards in the time we have been penny pinching.

We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?

We have got a bottom half team at best. No disrespect to teh players we have because we've got some very good players, miles better than we've had in the past, but we must start bringing in quality. Not cheap quality like Melchiot and Heskey but decent quality like Mido who can rip teams to bits.

Until we have a bord willing to spend the right money on the right players we will struggle no matter hwo our manager is.

Bruce did well to get us up last season and he will do well to keep us up this season. Europe? I'll accept anything from 17th place up.

it is not how much we spend its how well we spend it. come on, we could sign henry, ronaldo, rooney, pennant on a free spending nothing, would you all then say we havent spent enough???????

we are never going to have the budget to spend on par with the big 4 or even 7, we have to shop around and unearth that rough diamond, we always have done and always will have too !

i think you need to re-read the post you quoted as it clearly states that 3 seasons ago we were on a par with some of the clubs mentioned.

since the board decided not to compete at that level we have fallen behind. i don't disagree with what you're saying to an extent but what you're saying is a result of poor management, vision and ambition from the club - imo.

it is how well you spend it but also you need to have the funds available to attract players of the calibre needed to meet what the board says it will do. you can't do that with around £10m, surely it needs to be a mix of young and expereinced players. who in the team at the moment have the likes of Muamba, Ridgewell and Djourou got to look up to?

the signing of Dugarry was inspirational, not just for the team but the players in that team.

it needs to be a mix of both your rough diamonds and diamond cut players!
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TBone
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Sep 6 2007, 10:52 AM
We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?


As previously debated, it was nothing to do with personal terms.

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Sep 6 2007, 12:53 PM
k-bek
Sep 6 2007, 10:52 AM
We will never compete on the pitch until we can compete off it. We lost out on Mido because of personal terms. How many players ahve we missed out on due to that?


As previously debated, it was nothing to do with personal terms.

contractual stipulations by mido - not necessarily for personal gain, but demanded by him, that's fairly personal isn't it?
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