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Whats Going On?; Our Clubs Dying Before Our Eyes
Topic Started: Sep 3 2007, 08:26 AM (1,612 Views)
87dominguez
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It seems to be getting to the point where the club is now imploding on it's self. Fans having a go at fans, owner having a go at fans, it's getting redicules. Whats happened to this club, it used to be fun going to St Andrews but now it's almost become like church, you know, you dont want to go but you have to anyway.

The board are as much to blame as anyone, just look at the attendances at home and especially away. What we always used to pride ourselves on was our support and look at it now, did we bring more that thousand to Boro?. Derby had the biggest allocation at Liverpool, have we ever had that? I dont think so. It's got to the point for some where it's got so boring and so expensive that they would rather save up and go on holiday than watch Blues play.


Even if we beat Bolton, the problems will still be there and i dont even think the takeover would change things.

Whats wrong?

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bornblues64
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I think you know the answer to that one.
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87dominguez
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bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.
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Wisel
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I'm sure it is more complex than a simple view of what is happening currently. THis is the malaise of BCFC for all of it's history.
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proccy_blues
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87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:33 AM
bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.

no actually, we need more threads saying how cr@p we are, how cr@o the team is, how cr@p the manager is, how cr@p the board is etc etc etc...come on you blues... **thumbup
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proccysotv
Sep 3 2007, 08:42 AM
87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:33 AM
bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.

no actually, we need more threads saying how cr@p we are, how cr@o the team is, how cr@p the manager is, how cr@p the board is etc etc etc...come on you blues... **thumbup

are you suggesting things are not as cr@p as some make out then proccy?
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Sep 3 2007, 09:49 AM
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Sep 3 2007, 08:42 AM
87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:33 AM
bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.

no actually, we need more threads saying how cr@p we are, how cr@o the team is, how cr@p the manager is, how cr@p the board is etc etc etc...come on you blues... **thumbup

are you suggesting things are not as cr@p as some make out then proccy?

not at all - i can see we lost a game of footy. but how many times do we need to be told everything is cr@p? saying it 50 times a day won't make things better or make people understand more.

if it must be continually repeated, at least lets make the threads more objective and open to reasonable debate like hooby and bluediver tend to.... **thumbup
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Brummie 1875
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16th in the prem and our club is dying :boohoo:
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proccysotv
Sep 3 2007, 08:55 AM
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Sep 3 2007, 09:49 AM
proccysotv
Sep 3 2007, 08:42 AM
87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:33 AM
bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.

no actually, we need more threads saying how cr@p we are, how cr@o the team is, how cr@p the manager is, how cr@p the board is etc etc etc...come on you blues... **thumbup

are you suggesting things are not as cr@p as some make out then proccy?

not at all - i can see we lost a game of footy. but how many times do we need to be told everything is cr@p? saying it 50 times a day won't make things better or make people understand more.

if it must be continually repeated, at least lets make the threads more objective and open to reasonable debate like hooby and bluediver tend to.... **thumbup

fair point.

personally i think we need a change of manager - prob no surprise to you. i think that SB has run his course and has ran out of ideas and motivation for the players. for many this was his last roll of the dice and to be honest our midfield is too inexpereinced at this level. yes we have expereinced players but the Prem is a different league and whilst we have an expereinced defence i cannot see the midfield or attack providing the results.

i've never really liked out style of football since Bruce arrived but, as most would, i'd be happy to offset this against decent results. and it's not just Prem teams who have good styles of football - you can see lots in the lower leagues. we're just not creative. that's down to the manager imo.

i know some say that by being loyal to our manager we will see the fruit of this but i disagree with this guy. whether he'd be different with a different board we'll have to wait and see. he might be a good manager but our board are holding him back, who knows. either way - something needs to change.

for me fans are being let down by the club and the board and in turn it's having a negative effect on this football club. the fn has gone out of watching the Blues. perhaps it's football as a whole, who knows, but for a club that has always shown solidarity and unity we're now a club divided. and that seems a pity to me.
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I read somewhere that we only brought 300-400 to boro on Saturday? We are a second city football club, every other big city team would sell-out or would be near to selling out so why dont we?

This is Not and anti-Bruce post but there problems there because the soul of the club (the fans) are staying away and it's not looking good in my opinion.
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87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:09 AM
I read somewhere that we only brought 300-400 to boro on Saturday? We are a second city football club, every other big city team would sell-out or would be near to selling out so why dont we?

This is Not and anti-Bruce post but there problems there because the soul of the club (the fans) are staying away and it's not looking good in my opinion.

Huge mistakes were made by the board in and just prior to the relegation season. It was obvious we were not performing, it was also obvious Bruce’s tactical limitations were a large contributory fact.

Because more was not done to remedy the situation, and largely it still hasn’t, a lot of fans feell disenchanted and disenfranchised. Most now expecting dour football, excuses and our view to be ignored, even if this is not actually the case.

The only way things are going to change is from the top. The board have to change what they do, or sell, and the management has to have a big rethink in their approach or be replaced. Once thing is certain the situation will not improve without a major change of direction from the top, the fans can’t effect the change alone.
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@penguinblue - it may surprise you that i agree with most of what you say. the point i disagree with is, we don't yet know what our level of performance will be because the players are yet to gel.

we will know better in 6 - 8 games but, as you point out, that may be too late to redeem our position. also, to lose sb now and leave us managerless for, say, 6 weeks, could actually be worse for us than sticking with him. if we're going to go down, then is the time to shed him and the players he bought that don't match up to prem expectations.

i would have had no objections or complaints if the board had replaced him either in the summer or at the end of the relegation season...but he got the vote and carried on and that was good for club stability. what we don't "know" yet is, is this a poor team or is it short on matches together and will improve?

none of us know that...
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Sep 3 2007, 09:02 AM
proccysotv
Sep 3 2007, 08:55 AM
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Sep 3 2007, 09:49 AM
proccysotv
Sep 3 2007, 08:42 AM
87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 09:33 AM
bornblues64
Sep 3 2007, 09:30 AM
I think you know the answer to that one.

Yeah, i'm just waiting for the "Just get behind them, they need us more than ever" Routine.

no actually, we need more threads saying how cr@p we are, how cr@o the team is, how cr@p the manager is, how cr@p the board is etc etc etc...come on you blues... **thumbup

are you suggesting things are not as cr@p as some make out then proccy?

not at all - i can see we lost a game of footy. but how many times do we need to be told everything is cr@p? saying it 50 times a day won't make things better or make people understand more.

if it must be continually repeated, at least lets make the threads more objective and open to reasonable debate like hooby and bluediver tend to.... **thumbup

fair point.

personally i think we need a change of manager -

I agree Personally i would have changed him this summer, Got a fresh face in with fresh ideas, I do honestly believe Bruce has taken us as far as he can, we someone who can take us and push us on.
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Wisel
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So if the makority of respondents to the initial thread here insist on focussing purely on this season, or this manager, this board rather than looking at the problem overall, then perhaps they should consider this.

This season Bruce has changed tack and bought in younger players, ones who are on the up rather than the (Heskey, Gronkear, Dugarry, Butt etc etc) older more experienced players. Older more experienced players delivered early results, but became disillusioned/demotivated/injured etc etc. Younger players who have not made it yet, are growing and have their careers in front of them, will, by definition, not be the finished article yet. Add to that the number of new players who need to get used to playing together, then what you might expect is that unlike the more senior players, they are likely to have their better results as the season progresses. What younger players need from everyone is encouragement, forgiving for mistakes, passion to make them feel they are part of something special.

What do they get??? Small crowds, nil atmosphere, criticism and unforgiving judgements.

Now you might want to consider the problem in it's wider context. Why have BCFC always struggled to fulfil their potential?
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Sep 3 2007, 09:25 AM
@penguinblue - it may surprise you that i agree with most of what you say. the point i disagree with is, we don't yet know what our level of performance will be because the players are yet to gel.

we will know better in 6 - 8 games but, as you point out, that may be too late to redeem our position. also, to lose sb now and leave us managerless for, say, 6 weeks, could actually be worse for us than sticking with him. if we're going to go down, then is the time to shed him and the players he bought that don't match up to prem expectations.

i would have had no objections or complaints if the board had replaced him either in the summer or at the end of the relegation season...but he got the vote and carried on and that was good for club stability. what we don't "know" yet is, is this a poor team or is it short on matches together and will improve?

none of us know that...

good points Proccy but as you say we will not know whether the players will gel or not but to be fair if we're playing a quality central defender in midfield then they're not going to gel!

personally i think either the board have (once agai) restricted the manager in his signings or the manager has made another faux pas!

something has to give i see no reason why supporters should have to wait for us to be relegated - again - before the manager goes. now it may be that the new owner comes in and Bruce has a new lease of life, we don't know but by then it might well be too late!

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Sep 3 2007, 09:59 AM
16th in the prem and our club is dying :boohoo:

What did you expect?
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Sep 3 2007, 10:41 AM
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16th in the prem and our club is dying :boohoo:

What did you expect?

I was being sarcastic tomatoes
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I could swear 80% of posters on this forum were still in bleeding school.

How can you say our club is "dying"? I was at the match at Shrewsbury when Blues lost 1-0 in the third tier, I was there when Blues fans ran onto the pitch when we got relegated (they year Baggies put us down), I was there when we lost a match in the second division 5-0. They were much worse times but still I wouldn't say our club was "dying". :banghead:
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Agree with BlueNosed...

Despite only being 17 and hardly seen much of the clubs "bad-days in the 80s and early 90s, i do agree this is over-reacting.

However, we are in danger of becoming a yo-yo team IMO, and this of course would certainly not be good, because once you get that tag, confidence is at an all time low.

We still have 33 games to change this, but we have to act now (not sack Bruce, change of tactics, playing people at right places etc...) but if we carry on and are saying these things after 19 games, then we know we're in trouble.

Is it true that if we're doing really badly that Yeung wont have the funds to put into the club?

It seems like its top 10 or bottom 3 to me!


Up the Blues **thumbup
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Oh No, we're no we're not spending money, we're losing games despite only just coming up, we should be outplaying every other team and winning 7 or 8 nil every week, the board are not keeping to every single detail of promises, we should be paying £2 a game every game, who cares if we need money for transfers, we'll just worry about that ana blame the board for that later, and who cares if when looking arounf I see that we're paying the same rate as every other club. What a shambles. It's all the boards fault that people don't want to games, they really are evil.

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Sep 3 2007, 12:20 PM
I could swear 80% of posters on this forum were still in bleeding school.

How can you say our club is "dying"? I was at the match at Shrewsbury when Blues lost 1-0 in the third tier, I was there when Blues fans ran onto the pitch when we got relegated (they year Baggies put us down), I was there when we lost a match in the second division 5-0. They were much worse times but still I wouldn't say our club was "dying". :banghead:

In 20 and this is the worsed time i've ever seen it. I started going down in 94 (old 3rd division) and i still enjoyed it more than now.

It's rubbish
It's boring
No atmosphere down St Andrews
High Ticket prices
Anger within the supporters
Anger within the boardroom

It's not great is it. I agree though, we can change but the only way i see it seriously changing ang getting every blues fan to pull together in the right directiion is if there is a complete change in management, from the board to manager, simple as, just like at Vile Park.
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Sep 3 2007, 08:26 AM

The board are as much to blame as anyone, just look at the attendances at home and especially away. What we always used to pride ourselves on was our support and look at it now, did we bring more that thousand to Boro?.

Even if we beat Bolton, the problems will still be there and i dont even think the takeover would change things.

Whats wrong?

first of all the attendance atm you cannot comment on becuase people can not afford to go down, parents are forking out money for there children for the new school year, paying money off from holidays, giving there children money for the school half term break people at the moment have no money.

Yeah we only took a few thousand to boro but its not exactly round the corner is it, 3/4 hours on the coach is a bit much for some fans.
Btw if you went to the boro game you would of noticed that there crowd was low, no atmosphere, nothing. i think we made more noise on the coach back passing the viler ground than they did all game!
but anyway back to blues, what problems have we got i would like you to explain becuase all i can see is that we have lost 3 games and people are already on here saying where down :banghead:
if we beat bolton we will have 7 points and probably be mid table ish, whats the problem being there after 6 games.
the way i see it is that we need on average a point a game which will get us 38 points which will more than likerly keep us up, which is the aim this year so having 7 from 6 games, says to me that we are on target to get them points, Il'd rather us perform our best from the middle to the end of the season rather than straight from the word go, its a marathon not a sprint.....

thats my rant over!
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87dominguez
Sep 3 2007, 11:59 AM
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Sep 3 2007, 12:20 PM
I could swear 80% of posters on this forum were still in bleeding school.

How can you say our club is "dying"? I was at the match at Shrewsbury when Blues lost 1-0 in the third tier, I was there when Blues fans ran onto the pitch when we got relegated (they year Baggies put us down), I was there when we lost a match in the second division 5-0. They were much worse times but still I wouldn't say our club was "dying".  :banghead:

In 20 and this is the worsed time i've ever seen it. I started going down in 94 (old 3rd division) and i still enjoyed it more than now.

It's rubbish
It's boring
No atmosphere down St Andrews
High Ticket prices
Anger within the supporters
Anger within the boardroom

It's not great is it. I agree though, we can change but the only way i see it seriously changing ang getting every blues fan to pull together in the right directiion is if there is a complete change in management, from the board to manager, simple as, just like at Vile Park.

I think the big problem with the disillusionment, and anger as you say, if a lot of fans feel they can’t make a difference and their views are ignored.

I can’t see how the fans alone can change things, it has to come from the top.
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Our Club is dying before our eyes?

While I wan't to just tell you that you are overreacting, I don't think I can. But, I actually think you are not seeing the wider picture here.

Football in genereal and as a 'Go to the match' spectator sport is not what it used to be. Wall to wall coverage on Satellite TV at home means there is less need to go down the 'match' now. Gone are the days when there was only 1 match on the TV per week.

Sunday's at 3pm meant you had been kicked out of the smokey pub your dad had been sitting in all afternoon (while you played outside and got a couple of glasses of Coke and a bag a crisps) and you were sitting in front of the TV watching Match of the Day. It was the only way to watch a match unless you were at the game.

Now, you can sit in the pub and feasibly watch at least 4 matches on the bounce on any given Saturday/Sunday, depending which pub you go in and there are plently of supporters that are more than happy with this.

There is also the expectation element - 5 years ago we had not been in the top flight for 16 years, people were gaggin to be part of it, 4 seasons in and 1 season out later, people are a bit less excited about the idea of being the prem, because a good season means being safe from relegation at the start of April and then finishing 12th.

Apart from the elite few, where attendances are going up because they are winning every week at home, attendances are not improving, they are deceasing. I'd guessing we'll have an average gate of 26,000 this season, not great but it would put us in at around 12th/13th in the Prem attendances last year.

What can we do about it? Not a lot is the real answer.

Ban pubs from showing SKY/Setanta/Al Jazeera(???) Ask fans not to subscribe to Sky and get down the ground?

I'll bet most Sky subscribers spend more than the cost of a ST on Sky each year, but it's a lifestyle choice and the whole family get so much more than a ST.
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It seems to me the root problem everyone has, yet nobody knows the answer to is.

Why is it boring and with no atmosphere to enjoy and have fun in and look forward to. ESPECIALLY considering we're in the top division?
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