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| Whats Going On?; Our Clubs Dying Before Our Eyes | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 3 2007, 08:26 AM (1,613 Views) | |
| Bookemdanno | Sep 4 2007, 10:31 PM Post #51 |
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Dying? What a load of bull! If you want the answer to a lot of fans not attending, look to ticket prices, frequency of home games, Live TV and lastly the type of football and success on the field. On our relegation season, many pundits predicted Everton to go down, yet when we played them at home, we lost and they went on to console their position in the top half of the league. Since then they have built on it. We on the other hand have spiraled the opposite way, until getting promotion back to the Prem. Their ground is filled to the rafters, they have hope, and a buzz about the club. Dependant on your fan base, and Blues have largely been loyal followers, until the last few seasons. Fans will pay for games, if the football is entertaining, and they have optimism. Unfortunately down the Blues its different. Its commonly not over exciting, we stumble through games, and the board don't help matters with the constant contradictory comments, at season ticket time. Not every club runs things efficiently and smooth, but Blues, do need to rectify previous mistakes. They have made some amends, but fans do have long memories. Having a reasonable price structure, with enjoyable football, breeds optimism and the fans will return. Not overnight as very rarely success is built, but its a start. Blues made some amends with season ticket discounts this year, so **thumbup . Now all we have to do is sort the football side. Answers? Well its taken a few seasons, and there still some similarities. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Sep 5 2007, 02:46 AM Post #52 |
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It's not bull The club is dying Blues did not even sell a thousand out of a 3,000 allocation for Boro and gates at home are down by about 5,000 compared to the last PL campaign in 02/03 even though we've signed 3 times as many new players .....I believe we have in fact signed around 13 new faces if you include Oubani,Kallon and Palacios I'm not knocking the players at all.....in fact I think we've unearthed some gems particularly Kapo,Kingson,De Ridder and Ridgwell So why are people staying away and moaning ??? ........the total NON performance v Middlesboro that followed a narrow win over the near certainties to go down which closely followed a below par performance at home to West Ham who could have easily won that match 4-0 only underlines that Messrs Bruce and Black who openly claim ""Oh we've signed a good 'un"" and ""Yes,we are going to attack with younger,hungrier players"" are simply out of their depth at this level They just cannot get the best out of footballers and tend to deploy the wrong tactics and make tactical errors in a good 50-60 per cent of the matches we compete in When are people going to realise a lot of Bluenoses have simply lost faith in the manager and his ideas as well as downright disgust at the owner and president whose unfair and unsavoury comments have only done long term damage to our vision of being a top 6 side ?? A complete change NOW both at team and boardroom level is the most positive thing the club could do right now................Then,I'll personally guarantee fans would come back to St Andrews in DROVES.........Just you wait and see KRO |
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| Ibstockblue | Sep 5 2007, 07:12 AM Post #53 |
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The club is only in this position because this is the result of the board, we get feeds of a new stadium, we are going to buy a number of quality players that never materialise. We had the take over that was going to transform the club, that ended as a joke, how many of us on the day of the stock market announcement were left dissalusioned that only 29.9% had been sold. Its left the club in complete limbo, it then became obvious the our present owners had lost interest and just wanted to offload us. I am one of the people that wants to give SB as long a chance as possible, but who will make the decision if the need be to change the manager, the current owners or the man that has not commited to buying us yet, and what manager worth anything would come in with the uncertaincy we have at board level? David Sullivan has allienated many fringe supporters with his snide comments about armchair supporters, this must have effected the gates, there are many reasons why some people dont buy season tickets, I dont think some of the rules that the board has made over season tickets have helped. I know its hard to ignore some of these issues and if you dont agree with SB it must be frustrating, we are all entitled to our opinion. For me this Forum is the correct place where the moaning and disagreements should be, not on the terraces, many of you may not agree with this post, its your right not to. I just think that on match days whether it be at St Andrews or away, as supporters we should be as one, fill every seat and support OUR team sing our hearts out like we know we can. Its our club, if its dying its because WE are letting it, come the end of this season if we get relegated then let us be in the position where we can say to the board and the manager, we did our bit, did you do yours? For whatever happens, history has proved we will be here a long time after the current board or the manager has left, BCFC is OUR club, we are in the Premiership where we all want to be, lets snap out of this and enjoy this season, you never know we might even survive |
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| proccy_blues | Sep 5 2007, 07:24 AM Post #54 |
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i don't think the club is dying anymore than most other clubs, i think it's a general condition within the game as a whole in the uk. it costs more than ever, interest rates have increased 5 times in less than a year, the cost of living is spiralling compared to incomes, and as a spectacle MANY people are fed up with it and the prem in particular. this is nothing to do with any specific club or individual (yes, not even sb) but more to do with disposable income and pressure on individuals' time imo. there is no doubt in my mind that footy in general and the prem in particular is far less attractive and entertaining than it was, say, 5 years ago. the style of footy (with a couple of exceptions) is boring, designed not to lose rather than going all out for wins. to lay all this at the door of sb, ds et al is way too simplistic and myopic in my view... |
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| Ibstockblue | Sep 5 2007, 07:37 AM Post #55 |
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I agree this is probably one of the biggest factors, even more reason why DS should take a look at the real world and keep his mouth shut instead of allienating people that have to make an honest judgement if they can justify the cost to their family |
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| proccy_blues | Sep 5 2007, 08:49 AM Post #56 |
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he's said again this morning (ds) that he wants out urgently - he's found a way of making even more money by investing in racehorses ffs!! like he needs a few more bob, eh? quicker he goes the better now, if yeung still wants to buy... :unsure: |
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| Ibstockblue | Sep 5 2007, 09:04 AM Post #57 |
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Whats stopping him getting out? if he sold his shares to the value of the true amount of his own money he has actually put in to the club then he could sell easy, its only cos he wants get as much profit as possible. Why dosnt he sell to someone to cover his costs and with the condition that the buyer invests like others have done with other clubs. He dosnt give a s*** about us, he is full of it! |
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| proccy_blues | Sep 5 2007, 09:23 AM Post #58 |
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i'm not sure why he doesn't sell at cost value to him either, maybe there's some stock market rules stopping him, or maybe like most of us he wants to see what he can get by waiting a while. yeung has said he wants to buy the club, so why would he throw moey away? i dont know anyone else who would (jack hayward excepted) |
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| Ibstockblue | Sep 5 2007, 09:51 AM Post #59 |
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Like I said in another thread, last year his only objective was to get us in the premiership to sell, we got up and he did sell and in his desperation to sell, he has done a duff deal involving selling only 29.9%, this has put off any other potential buyers we may have had. So now he is in a rut, the club is in a rut and us fans are left in a sorry state not knowing what the hell is going on. Sullivan is the cause of all this, I dont give a c*** about him being our saviour, he isnt anymore, he is a liabilty. Mr Yeung either buy us outright so we can move forward or pull out so we can go back on the market for a decent buyer, either way Sullivan out |
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| 3asygroove | Sep 5 2007, 10:46 AM Post #60 |
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too many false promises,remember the one about a new stand when we go up,how long ago was that. |
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| Bookemdanno | Sep 5 2007, 12:07 PM Post #61 |
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I agree with everything you mentioned. I just don't agree the club is dying. We've got problems, and its not good for the club, but they can be rectified, its just a question of when. The attendance at Boro was about 22k. Sunderlands attendances were down until Keane came on board and a created a buzz, optimism, and the feel good factor which returned to them. For some fans. Unless the football improves, the fans will stay away. Unless the manager goes they will stay away. Unless the average ticket prices are reduced the fans will pick and choose their games. Although cheap games will obviously be an exception as these are misleading. In general, sort the football side and the others fall into place. But at the moment we are in limbo, due the board. Like him not Bruce has tried to improve the football side. The board haven't done theres. |
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| Trésor Luntala | Sep 5 2007, 12:24 PM Post #62 |
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The club was dying 17 years ago when they first took over from the Kumars, I'd much rather be here then there, even if I was only a nipper. |
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| Ibstockblue | Sep 5 2007, 12:29 PM Post #63 |
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True Colin Tatum has said in the mail, Steve Bruce has spent one of the least in the Premiership £9.8 million with £1,8 million coming back from sales. This is nothing, our board is a joke, they have let us all down yet again. He is competing with a low budget, 12 clubs have spent over £20million this is on top of the premiership standard players already at these clubs. We are in limbo |
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| Spike 24113828 | Sep 5 2007, 12:43 PM Post #64 |
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Aaaaaah that old chestnut eh? Let me tell you something. people guaranteed Sullivan when he joined that if we improved people would flood back in droves. They didn't. In fact I can remember people telling it to The Kumars as well. 45000 people had to have tickets at Wembley as they were all loyal fans. We won, they didn't come back either. I must admit, as Chicken Licken threads go this is an absolute cracker. This club is not dying at all and demanding boardroom change is a joke, as it's coming anyway. What the club is is changing. As is the football world, as is society. I've been watching this club since 1970, I don't remember much from those days as I was only 4. However, I've seen a lot in my time. I'm not saying I'm a better fan then anyone else - I've just seen a lot more of Blues than many, home and away. Therefore I feel qualified to comment on one or two things. Entertainment. Bruce's football is no less entertaining than was Francis' or pretty much every manager I've seen in my time . The exception was possibly Bond and certainly Smith under whom we were very expressive and entertaining. But, we still lost a lot and he still got sacked Anyone who thinks this is the worst football they've seen should have seen Saunders' brand of football. Prices. Yes. they're way too high, not just at Blues but generally. The problem is player wages and they are not going to volunteer for pay cuts are they? We could have much cheaper or affordable football but it would be in the third division again. I've been there before and I'm not afraid of that, I don't see how it could be much cheaper in the Premiership though given the wages and transfer fees. The board. They have done great for this club. Yes, their time has probably come and gone but one thing is for sure, if and when they complete the sale to Carson Yeung he will take on a very stable and financially viable club. Maybe in a relegation struggle but it's unealistic to expect them to spend a vast fortune when they are selling the club. Atmosphere. Perhaps slightly worse nowadays but these myths that in the seventies and eighties St Andrew's was such a cauldron of noise that you left the ground and went straight to East Birmingham Hospital to get your perforated eardrums dealt with are nonsense. I know, because I was there. In fact the atmosphere in the eighties was often poisonous with demos against the board, violence etc. No families went, not many kids went. I would suggest that the atmosphere these days is getting almost as rank, mostly due to the negativity of the fans. Yes, I know they will say that they have a right to complain and I'm not arguing for or against that, they may well have a point. Now I admit, I'm not that old but I am old fashioned. There are no conditions on my support. If one day they cheese me off enough I might walk away I suppose. Never say never. But if I do, the club will still go on. It will not die. |
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| proccy_blues | Sep 5 2007, 12:55 PM Post #65 |
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:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: excellent post, support that 100% and don't foget about pricing either when people say it's too expensive. it is, but consider that i live 2 miles from burton albion's ground, a mid conference team. they charge £14 for home games now, so who's getting the best deal? |
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| tim | Sep 5 2007, 01:37 PM Post #66 |
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Spot on Spike. What will the excuses be in the future? |
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| Trésor Luntala | Sep 5 2007, 01:39 PM Post #67 |
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Good post Spike **thumbup I'm pretty sure that this time in 20 years we'll look back on the mid-2000's with fondness. Our biggest problem in 2027 will be that our manager of 26 years is playing our right-back in the hover-centre postion. We'll look back on how all the positions used to be on the ground, and sigh. |
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| franscar | Sep 5 2007, 01:48 PM Post #68 |
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So you're saying that hoofball is the future and Bruce is a manager twenty years ahead of his time? |
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| Trésor Luntala | Sep 5 2007, 01:51 PM Post #69 |
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No and yes. In the future players will play above the ground thanks to the inven tof hover boots. Bruce will still be manager in 20 years time after tricking our 7th owner in 5 years into offering him a neverending contract, $40000000000 a year, which will only break once he is dead, with an exaception of a £84583535374093402 release clause in the year 2016 |
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| proccy_blues | Sep 5 2007, 01:54 PM Post #70 |
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if you think a bit harder you might remember where your medication is.... :D |
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| Trésor Luntala | Sep 5 2007, 01:55 PM Post #71 |
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You won't be laughing when it happens. |
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| el_blueline | Sep 5 2007, 02:05 PM Post #72 |
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:LMAO: |
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| Bookemdanno | Sep 5 2007, 11:05 PM Post #73 |
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Thats a novel way to describe him. Not one i'd have thought of. :D |
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| bluetube | Sep 6 2007, 01:14 AM Post #74 |
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[Aaaaaah that old chestnut eh? Let me tell you something. people guaranteed Sullivan when he joined that if we improved people would flood back in droves. They didn't. In fact I can remember people telling it to The Kumars as well. 45000 people had to have tickets at Wembley as they were all loyal fans. We won, they didn't come back either. I must admit, as Chicken Licken threads go this is an absolute cracker. This club is not dying at all and demanding boardroom change is a joke, as it's coming anyway. What the club is is changing. As is the football world, as is society. I've been watching this club since 1970, I don't remember much from those days as I was only 4. However, I've seen a lot in my time. I'm not saying I'm a better fan then anyone else - I've just seen a lot more of Blues than many, home and away. Therefore I feel qualified to comment on one or two things. Entertainment. Bruce's football is no less entertaining than was Francis' or pretty much every manager I've seen in my time . The exception was possibly Bond and certainly Smith under whom we were very expressive and entertaining. But, we still lost a lot and he still got sacked Anyone who thinks this is the worst football they've seen should have seen Saunders' brand of football. Prices. Yes. they're way too high, not just at Blues but generally. The problem is player wages and they are not going to volunteer for pay cuts are they? We could have much cheaper or affordable football but it would be in the third division again. I've been there before and I'm not afraid of that, I don't see how it could be much cheaper in the Premiership though given the wages and transfer fees. The board. They have done great for this club. Yes, their time has probably come and gone but one thing is for sure, if and when they complete the sale to Carson Yeung he will take on a very stable and financially viable club. Maybe in a relegation struggle but it's unealistic to expect them to spend a vast fortune when they are selling the club. Atmosphere. Perhaps slightly worse nowadays but these myths that in the seventies and eighties St Andrew's was such a cauldron of noise that you left the ground and went straight to East Birmingham Hospital to get your perforated eardrums dealt with are nonsense. I know, because I was there. In fact the atmosphere in the eighties was often poisonous with demos against the board, violence etc. No families went, not many kids went. I would suggest that the atmosphere these days is getting almost as rank, mostly due to the negativity of the fans. Yes, I know they will say that they have a right to complain and I'm not arguing for or against that, they may well have a point. Now I admit, I'm not that old but I am old fashioned. There are no conditions on my support. If one day they cheese me off enough I might walk away I suppose. Never say never. But if I do, the club will still go on. It will not die.] This is the best post that has ever been put on here. |
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| david_kelly | Sep 6 2007, 07:32 AM Post #75 |
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There is discussion about the manager in this thread. Surely under the current moderation regime this should be put into the Bruce In/Out thread to extinguish dissent? |
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