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4.4.1.1 Against The Vile!; useless formation
Topic Started: Nov 4 2007, 03:56 PM (542 Views)
bluenosekev
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Gil Merrick
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If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1. he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


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bluenosekev
Nov 4 2007, 04:56 PM
If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1. he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


bluenosekev (season ticket holder in the tilton)

I would go 4-1-2-1-2

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I certainly thought against Wigan we should have used 442 from the start. However, the team that beat us 3-1 yesterday were playing, guess what, 4-4-1-1! So while I wouldn't dismiss it as a tactic per se, against Villa I would certainly go 442.
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but will he? for a game like that? having not used that formation much previously i doubt it?

then again, one-off game, all about passion, just go for it!
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Don't understand why the 4-4-2 formation is paraded as being the holy grail. 4-4-1-1 gives more options and more flexibility. Portsmouth play regularly with 4-4-1-1 ( as do many other sides - noteably Everton yesterday) they seem to score enough goals!! IMO Jerome needs to be more clinical up front. The system would suit Forsell better as he's better at holding up the ball and bringing people into play
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Because Portsmouth have an out and out goalscorer in Benjani.

Chelsea play it also, with Didier Drogba, and 2 wide attackers, more like 4-3-3.

We havent got a 20+ goalscorer a season, teams that play this have.

We won't score as many goals as we need with 4-4-1-1. Yes we scored 3 at Wigan, but 2 were playing 4-4-2.

Didnt go to the Everton game, but i imagine we equalised after going to 4-4-2. It just makes sense to play 4-4-2 at home to anyone other than the top 6 or 7

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bluenosekev
Nov 4 2007, 03:56 PM
If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1. he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


bluenosekev (season ticket holder in the tilton)

hmmmmmmmmm (season ticket holder in the tilton)

Is that the qualification you need to be the manager these days

I suppose you know more than SB, you sit in the Tilton and YOU’RE A SEASON TICKET HOLDER.

Silly me I thought Playing for Man u and being a top professional footballer and having a reasonably successful career as a manager (in the top 10% of British mangers if not higher) would be a reasonable qualification.

I know you’re entitled to your opinion but I thick you voice it in an arrogant way.

As to the point my Opinion is the 4411 system is worth starting, retaining the option to change it latter on (as he did to full effect against Wigan) should he feel the need.
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bluenosekev
Nov 4 2007, 03:56 PM
If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1. he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


bluenosekev (season ticket holder in the tilton)

:applause: More and more people every week are starting to take note,well said! :applause:
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Lucky
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if your striker cannot score then what does it matter what system you use,
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I was told that its the return of DJ :applause: :applause: :applause:

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bluenosebryan
Nov 4 2007, 07:03 PM
bluenosekev
Nov 4 2007, 03:56 PM
If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1.  he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


bluenosekev (season ticket holder in the tilton)

:applause: More and more people every week are starting to take note,well said! :applause:

so we go back in the game yesterday but gave away 2 very unnecessary goals,
WERE THOSE 2 LATE GOALS DOWN TO THE PLAYERS OR BRUCIE.
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If we play bruce's useless 4.4.1.1. format against the vile then i fear for us, we got out of jail against wigan playing that formation, when bruce switched to 4.4.2. we looked much better and could have perhaps scored more goals if we would have started 4.4.2...

we are not scoring enough goals and this formation is not helping..if bruce keeps on like this we will go down..we need to score more goals and must start more 4.4.2. Goals = wins = points..its not rocket science.

cameron jerome is wasted up there on his own..do you remember the goal he scored at derby when forsell (a fellow striker) played a little thru ball?..this shows what jerome can do when he has a striking partner...but in a 4.4.1.1. he is just wasted up there..

then there is in the midfield nafti and muamba are too similar (defensive), these pair are not going to chip in with any goals from midfield, so why play both together ? why not play one of them with either kapo or danns who can attack behind 2 strikers (dont give me all this rubbish about kapo being a striker)..why doesnt bruce play kapo as an attacking midfielder with 2 strikers?

I cant understand all you bluenose's sticking up for steve bruce all the time...dont you remember the last season in the prem under him ? have you all forgot? He really is clueless.

We do have some good players this time round, and we could easily finish mid table or above but we gotta score more goals.We gotta play more adventurous attacking football, trying to win games instead of setting out not to lose..

If Bruce continues with playing this ridiculous formation then we will again go down..and HE will be to blame! it annoys me when we dont have a go when playing the likes of blackburn,middleborough,everton ect..


bluenosekev (season ticket holder in the tilton)
:applause: :applause: **thumbup brucie needs to get this one right. As much as your all going to put me down now for saying this but The derby between us and the scum is the most awaited date for us brummies and we WANT the bragging rights this season. we have players in the team who can do the job for us. SO I SAY AGAIN IN THE WORDS OFF MIKE BASSET "I'M PLAYING A 4 - 4 - 2"
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AHHHHHHHH,
i give up.
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How can 4.4.1.1 be a good system?

It's like "oh we'll defend until we concede.............!"£$ NOW WE NEED TO ATTACK." when we move to 4.4.2.

If we started more positively and attacked teams, then we'd be far better off in games.

It'd be more acceptable to attack, go a goal ahead, then try to defend that....surely?!
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Can anyone explain to me why this is a bad system? I haven't seen many games this season but to me it seems logical that...

We are playing with 2 strikers, only difference between 4-4-2 is that the second striker (kapo) is playing just behind the first. This means that the second striker can get back and do midfield duties as well as getting in the area to take his own shots and provide a link between the Midfielders and the first striker.
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There pace up front and in midfield worrys me.

Players like Agbonlahor ( spelling ? ) Moore, Young, and even Re Coker are really fast and I'm not sure we have the players to counter act this.

If we go too gung ho at them they'll catch us on the break.

We need to ruff them up a bit but who do we have in the side to do this?

Ridgewell could be a key for us with inside info or on the other hand they may target him as they know he has a major lack of pace.
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will just be a scrap just hope the ball falls for us and its are day! we do well in derbys bruce has gt a gd record! 3 points 1-0 nafti! now that would be something!
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4-4-2
4-4-1-1
4-5-1
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What difference does it make?

When the team wins people sing Bruce's name.

When we lose people question his ability and slate his formation.

There's 11 players on the pitch, all playing for 1 thing- a win.

I really don't care what shape the teams makes when they line up for kick off, as long as we win or at least don't lose it's fine by me.

I don't hear Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Everton moaning too much about formation.

As long as the players give 100% and learn from yesterday's mistakes we should be behind them. There's still a week to go before the vile game and people are already digging for dirt and excuses in case we lose.

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4-4-2
4-4-1-1
4-5-1
Flat back 10

What difference does it make?

When the team wins people sing Bruce's name.

When we lose people question his ability and slate his formation.

There's 11 players on the pitch, all playing for 1 thing- a win.

I really don't care what shape the teams makes when they line up for kick off, as long as we win or at least don't lose it's fine by me.

I don't hear Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Everton moaning too much about formation.

As long as the players give 100% and learn from yesterday's mistakes we should be behind them. There's still a week to go before the vile game and people are already digging for dirt and excuses in case we lose.

been saying for ages systems mean zilch if the players dont carry out instructions to the letter,
as seen all over europe top teams are playing one up front,not harming many of them.
NICE TO SEE YOU BACK KBECK,
hope your fit and healthy.
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Nov 4 2007, 08:55 PM
4-4-2
4-4-1-1
4-5-1
Flat back 10

What difference does it make?

When the team wins people sing Bruce's name.

When we lose people question his ability and slate his formation.

There's 11 players on the pitch, all playing for 1 thing- a win.

I really don't care what shape the teams makes when they line up for kick off, as long as we win or at least don't lose it's fine by me.

I don't hear Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Everton moaning too much about formation.

As long as the players give 100% and learn from yesterday's mistakes we should be behind them. There's still a week to go before the vile game and people are already digging for dirt and excuses in case we lose.

If that was the case why have a manager at all?

Good tactics, team selection and man management can turn an average bunch of players into a team that can ‘over achieve’. A poor manager, or one that has lost the players, Jol, can turn a quality bunch of players into a pub team.

You might not care what formation, tactics etc. we use but it is important. Even the likes of Fergie / Man U and co change tactics depending on the opposition.
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Nov 4 2007, 09:10 PM
k-bek
Nov 4 2007, 09:55 PM
4-4-2
4-4-1-1
4-5-1
Flat back 10

What difference does it make?

When the team wins people sing Bruce's name.

When we lose people question his ability and slate his formation.

There's 11 players on the pitch, all playing for 1 thing- a win.

I really don't care what shape the teams makes when they line up for kick off, as long as we win or at least don't lose it's fine by me.

I don't hear Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Everton moaning too much about formation.

As long as the players give 100% and learn from yesterday's mistakes we should be behind them. There's still a week to go before the vile game and people are already digging for dirt and excuses in case we lose.

been saying for ages systems mean zilch if the players dont carry out instructions to the letter,
as seen all over europe top teams are playing one up front,not harming many of them.
NICE TO SEE YOU BACK KBECK,
hope your fit and healthy.

How do you know whether our players are or aren’t playing under instruction? Most of the various teams we have had over the past few seasons have played roughly the same system so you would think they are playing to instructions.

You can also play one up front positively or negatively. I agree that in some ways the formation is irrelevant, providing the one you use suits the players you have at your disposal.
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Kelly-----Ridgewell-----Schmitz-----Queudrue


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Taylor, Djourou, Muamba, McSheffrey and Forssell.
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Not happy, the left channel had a stinker on saturday and Muamba had to cover,



sort it out Bruce.
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Frankly I don't care what system we use as long as we win!
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