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Mauro Zarate
Topic Started: Mar 10 2008, 03:26 PM (2,414 Views)
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Didn't see the match or any highlights, but from what I've read on this thread is a little worrying. It's no good having quality players if they are just greedy for headlines. It's a team game, so Zarate as good as he is needs to be told there are nine other out-field players; use them.
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JonnieTheBlue
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It's so funny reading this thread. It starts with Zarate is a superstar and we should break the bank to sign him, but the board are too tight. Then after actually seeing him play for more than 10 minutes, he's suddenly a selfish little bu**er whos no use to the team, and we shouldn't make the mistake of playing him again!!!!!! :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

Goes to show what most people spouting off on this message board know!

I saw him play a match in the reserves weeks ago, he's a million miles from the finished article. So those that advocated spending £10m+ on him, what do you think now?
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Mar 14 2008, 08:51 AM
It's so funny reading this thread. It starts with Zarate is a superstar and we should break the bank to sign him, but the board are too tight. Then after actually seeing him play for more than 10 minutes, he's suddenly a selfish little bu**er whos no use to the team, and we shouldn't make the mistake of playing him again!!!!!! :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

Goes to show what most people spouting off on this message board know!

I saw him play a match in the reserves weeks ago, he's a million miles from the finished article. So those that advocated spending £10m+ on him, what do you think now?

Like I say Johnnie, I haven't seen him play yet apart from a couple minutes. But yes I do agree with you people are so fickle.
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Mar 14 2008, 08:51 AM
It's so funny reading this thread. It starts with Zarate is a superstar and we should break the bank to sign him, but the board are too tight. Then after actually seeing him play for more than 10 minutes, he's suddenly a selfish little bu**er whos no use to the team, and we shouldn't make the mistake of playing him again!!!!!! :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

Goes to show what most people spouting off on this message board know!

I saw him play a match in the reserves weeks ago, he's a million miles from the finished article. So those that advocated spending £10m+ on him, what do you think now?

My opinions on him are still the same can be aworld class player just needs time to learn the league.

I said this all allong that this would happen, he is a young player and is learning this league, he has plaed his trade playing in quatar and is learning the premier league, I said all along if we played him too early some of our fans would critisize him, and guess whats happened, well just proves my point.

It was no bodys fault that he was played when he was as obviously Mcleish sees a goal in zarate more that Jarome at the moment he picks the team, but guys we have got to give this kid a chance, I mean look at the likes of Ronaldo, his first season at United he was diving and all sorts now hes a more grown up player and though still got some of the theatrics in his game he now scored over 30 goals this season for him.

Give the guy a chance!!!

KRO :banner:
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Puzzling why, after using Zarate only as a 'super-sub' for several weeks, that McLeish decides to start him in such an important fixture. I've only watched the highlights, but the only time I can remember Zarate being mentioned was when he was booked for diving.

Much as I admire his undoubted ball skills, I'm not sure we can afford the luxury of a player who still lacks the ability to adapt to a team game. I suspect we won't see him start another game this season unless forced through injuries.
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Mar 14 2008, 09:06 AM
Puzzling why, after using Zarate only as a 'super-sub' for several weeks, that McLeish decides to start him in such an important fixture. I've only watched the highlights, but the only time I can remember Zarate being mentioned was when he was booked for diving.

Much as I admire his undoubted ball skills, I'm not sure we can afford the luxury of a player who still lacks the ability to adapt to a team game. I suspect we won't see him start another game this season unless forced through injuries.

100% agree
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Mar 14 2008, 09:06 AM
Puzzling why, after using Zarate only as a 'super-sub' for several weeks, that McLeish decides to start him in such an important fixture. I've only watched the highlights, but the only time I can remember Zarate being mentioned was when he was booked for diving.

Much as I admire his undoubted ball skills, I'm not sure we can afford the luxury of a player who still lacks the ability to adapt to a team game. I suspect we won't see him start another game this season unless forced through injuries.

I really dont understand why ou are critisizing a kid that has played in Quatar all his career so far and has played like 3 games of 10 minutes and one start, give the guy a chance he has got obvious quality he just needs to learn the league.

I know were in a bad possition and need to pick wins up and cant afford to experiement, however however he contributes towards to the team staying up is a bonus in my eyes ill keep saying it time and time again but we need to understand that this kid is new to the league and is only 21, take Gary Mcsheffery for example, hes older more experienced that him and he still hasnt fully adapted. Just give him a chance and hell prove his worth im sure.

I know it sounds like I keep defending him its just I cant stand people saying bad things about there players especially as he has played the combined time of probably one full game since he has been here.
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Mar 14 2008, 09:06 AM
Puzzling why, after using Zarate only as a 'super-sub' for several weeks, that McLeish decides to start him in such an important fixture. I've only watched the highlights, but the only time I can remember Zarate being mentioned was when he was booked for diving.

Much as I admire his undoubted ball skills, I'm not sure we can afford the luxury of a player who still lacks the ability to adapt to a team game. I suspect we won't see him start another game this season unless forced through injuries.

Rubbish! if you watched the game he was our main threat the whole of the first half, second half they sussed him out & stuck campbell on him, but imo he had a very good first half.
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I watched the game on Wednesday.
We should buy him and then coach the neccessary requirments into him,he's certainly got the footballing skills.Dare i say, he could be one for the future.....but hes certainly not ready for the hussle an bussle of the Premier league just yet.
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I was certainly not criticising Zarate, I'm a big fan of his! I was questioning McLeish's decision to play him from the start in such an important fixture. Whatever his ball skills - which are considerable - he is not yet ready to play a full game. We just cannot afford to blood him in the first team and hope he'll learn quickly enough to help our relegation battle.

This weekend will probably see us drop into the bottom 3. We need proven team players to have any chance of escaping the drop. Bringing him on in the second-half of games, when defenders are tired, was the way to go for this season. Why McLeish changed his earlier decision not to play him from the start puzzles me somewhat.
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i think mcleish gave him a chance from the start thats all to see how well he would do.

lets hope that he is not like mr bruce and continue with it untill it works.

imo he did deserve a start but not in the front two .
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i watched the game online, he had decent runs and tripped up a few of pompeys players, but IMO he seems a bit too lightweight for this league, and he seems a bit too greedy with the ball as well, there was one moment in the match where he had a shot out side of the box and the ball went high - at the same time we had a player running ahead of him to his left, there was a clear path for him to pass the ball along the ground to where out player could of just slotted it home.

after saying that i think he is a highly skilled playerjust not quite right for this league yet, and i hope we keep playing from about the 75th this season to see how he does.

i am a big fan of his, i just dont believe its worth the risk of dropping the forssell - mcfadden partnership which at the moment is an amazing one
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Mar 14 2008, 08:51 AM
It's so funny reading this thread. It starts with Zarate is a superstar and we should break the bank to sign him, but the board are too tight. Then after actually seeing him play for more than 10 minutes, he's suddenly a selfish little bu**er whos no use to the team, and we shouldn't make the mistake of playing him again!!!!!! :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

Goes to show what most people spouting off on this message board know!

I saw him play a match in the reserves weeks ago, he's a million miles from the finished article. So those that advocated spending £10m+ on him, what do you think now?

Zarate is one of the most exciting players that we've seen at St Andrews in years and we should break the bank to buy him if we stay up.

Zarate is not the type of player we need in a relegation scrap and I agree with the way he's been used so far by the manager - primarily coming off the bench.

Those are not conflicting statements. What we need now is a team effort with everyone working together towards a common goal. What we will need in the future are better players.
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the guys got bundles of skill to get you off your seat he's still young and needs to be coached properly, his english is sparce so he probably thinks the word pass is take on another player, seriously though it needs to made clear to him that it's a team game and there is nothing wrong with just making a boring square pass to an opponent, we should still stick with the lad and try and sign him for the right price, but maybe some of us as well as Zarate needed to come back down to earth, but there is no denying the ability is there to be seen
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Mar 14 2008, 05:42 PM
....seriously though it needs to made clear to him that it's a team game and there is nothing wrong with just making a boring square pass to an opponent, ....

Are you trying to hijack this thread and turning it into a Jonty bashing one?

:rolleyes:
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Mar 14 2008, 01:41 PM
I was certainly not criticising Zarate, I'm a big fan of his! I was questioning McLeish's decision to play him from the start in such an important fixture. Whatever his ball skills - which are considerable - he is not yet ready to play a full game. We just cannot afford to blood him in the first team and hope he'll learn quickly enough to help our relegation battle.

This weekend will probably see us drop into the bottom 3. We need proven team players to have any chance of escaping the drop. Bringing him on in the second-half of games, when defenders are tired, was the way to go for this season. Why McLeish changed his earlier decision not to play him from the start puzzles me somewhat.

He started as Mcfadden was up all night in scotland as he's wife was having a baby, otherwise i would agree with you that Mcfadden should of kept he's place & zarate as a sub the last 15 minutes is effective.
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hey people...RELAX!!!
enjoy with him wtf**
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Mar 14 2008, 06:29 PM
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Mar 14 2008, 05:42 PM
....seriously though it needs to made clear to him that it's a team game and there is nothing wrong with just making a boring square pass to an opponent, ....

Are you trying to hijack this thread and turning it into a Jonty bashing one?

:rolleyes:

"no" but iv'e obviously paved the way for you :)
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Wow!! I registered here to read comments about Zarate from the fans. I'm not a Birmingham fan but have liked what I have seen of Zarate, the little time he has been on, from Sydney.
For those who like what they see and wish to keep him at Birmingham, you are right, you'll have a hard time if others come involved in bidding for him, but good luck.
For those that say that he doesn't pass and more....well perhaps he is tired of warming the bench and he is trying hard to show that he is better than that.
In my opinion, Zarate is more Maradona than Messi eventhough I am a big Messi fan. Messi runs fast at the player then switches direction and so on. Zarate is slower and will stand still then go left, right, forward, reverse and he just confuses the defence. Not bad at free kicks either. Great to watch.

Zarate will do what Tevez did for West Ham, if you let him play. Just give him time. Whether he stays is another thing.
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Wow!! I registered here to read comments about Zarate from the fans. I'm not a Birmingham fan but have liked what I have seen of Zarate, the little time he has been on, from Sydney.
For those who like what they see and wish to keep him at Birmingham, you are right, you'll have a hard time if others come involved in bidding for him, but good luck.
For those that say that he doesn't pass and more....well perhaps he is tired of warming the bench and he is trying hard to show that he is better than that.
In my opinion, Zarate is more Maradona than Messi eventhough I am a big Messi fan. Messi runs fast at the player then switches direction and so on. Zarate is slower and will stand still then go left, right, forward, reverse and he just confuses the defence. Not bad at free kicks either. Great to watch.

Zarate will do what Tevez did for West Ham, if you let him play. Just give him time. Whether he stays is another thing.

Great post :applause:
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Mar 17 2008, 09:04 AM
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Mar 17 2008, 12:45 AM
Wow!! I registered here to read comments about Zarate from the fans. I'm not a Birmingham fan but have liked what I have seen of Zarate, the little time he has been on, from Sydney.
For those who like what they see and wish to keep him at Birmingham, you are right, you'll have a hard time if others come involved in bidding for him, but good luck.
For those that say that he doesn't pass and more....well perhaps he is tired of warming the bench and he is trying hard to show that he is better than that.
In my opinion, Zarate is more Maradona than Messi eventhough I am a big Messi fan. Messi runs fast at the player then switches direction and so on. Zarate is slower and will stand still then go left, right, forward, reverse and he just confuses the defence. Not bad at free kicks either. Great to watch.

Zarate will do what Tevez did for West Ham, if you let him play. Just give him time. Whether he stays is another thing.

Great post :applause:

Agreed.

How many times did Ronaldo pass on the weekend when there were players in a better position? Not once.

Do Man Utd fans criticise him, or do they just admire the great man at work?
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Zarate obviously has oodles of talent, and I feel that McLeish is doing the right thing at the moment. He would be a great player if he had time to adapt and I hope he is given time, although by the looks of things he might have already blown it :rolleyes:
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I don't see how he has blown it? He was lauded as the new messiah after the Arsenal and Spurs games. After one start against Pompey and not dribbling past every player on the pitch and sticking it away, he's blown his chance? Not likely.
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Mar 17 2008, 10:46 AM
I don't see how he has blown it? He was lauded as the new messiah after the Arsenal and Spurs games. After one start against Pompey and not dribbling past every player on the pitch and sticking it away, he's blown his chance? Not likely.

I don't think he's 'blown it', but the mood certainly changed on here after Wednesday.
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Thats certainly true. I think a lot of people had too higher expectations of him before the Pompey game, and now that he didn't live up to those expectations... well, you've read the comments!
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