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Pull The Other One ... Mr Sullivan
Topic Started: Mar 14 2008, 06:28 PM (961 Views)
beegeeblueboy
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From the Sky site interview with David Gold 11th March:

"We went into football not really to make money, but to have a bit of fun and try and do our best for the club," said Sullivan.

Pull the other one ..., Mr Sullivan

Your lack of investment last summer and this January will cost us our premiership status and our better players. Is that "do(ing) our best for the club"? I think not! What of load of dingo's kidneys
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DNK
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I thought it was an interview with David Gold?
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Bluenose43
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beegeeblueboy
Mar 14 2008, 06:28 PM
From the Sky site interview with David Gold 11th March:

"We went into football not really to make money, but to have a bit of fun and try and do our best for the club," said Sullivan.

Pull the other one ..., Mr Sullivan

Your lack of investment last summer and this January will cost us our premiership status and our better players. Is that "do(ing) our best for the club"? I think not! What of load of dingo's kidneys

Pointless post - they did invest money in January
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They wanted a bit of respectability. Despite making pots of money, Golds and Sullivan didn't get that. I remember a quote from Sullivan saying that even though he'd invested money in racehorses and had success he was never accepted by the horsey crew.

Oh and how did they invest in January? The sooner they sell to someone interested the better, but that's been done to death already.
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Jonaldo
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Does anyone know if I can watch this anywhere?
I had to go out for school just as it was coming on SSn the other morning, and im sure i remember seeing it somewhere on the SSN site.

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Anyone who wants to watch...

http://www.skysports.com/video/0,20285,12602,00.html

Click 'Videos By Sport'
It will automatically load up onto football.
Then go to page 8.
'SSN - Gold's Standard'
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Mar 14 2008, 07:44 PM
Does anyone know if I can watch this anywhere?
I had to go out for school just as it was coming on SSn the other morning, and im sure i remember seeing it somewhere on the SSN site.

EDIT**

Anyone who wants to watch...

http://www.skysports.com/video/0,20285,12602,00.html

Click 'Videos By Sport'
It will automatically load up onto football.
Then go to page 8.
'SSN - Gold's Standard'

Gold standard
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harken
Mar 14 2008, 07:37 PM
Oh and how did they invest in January? The sooner they sell to someone interested the better, but that's been done to death already.

They bought that McFadden chap. Good player y'know. Cost a bit as well.
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harken
Mar 14 2008, 07:37 PM

Oh and how did they invest in January? The sooner they sell to someone interested the better, but that's been done to death already.

Mc Fadden, Murphy, Zarate or have you been away for a while?
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Mar 15 2008, 08:16 AM
harken
Mar 14 2008, 07:37 PM

Oh and how did they invest in January? The sooner they sell to someone interested the better, but that's been done to death already.

Mc Fadden, Murphy, Zarate or have you been away for a while?

True Murphy and Mcfadden come ust under 10 mil with Zarate aswell his wages on top of Murphys and Mcfaddens just adds on top of the wage budget.

So dont say we never spent anything just because we never got our center half/s we wanted.
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So Sullivan and the Golds have done nothing for the club???

Remember what a joke the team was and what a joke the ground was when they came?

I for one am eternally grateful for what they have done for the club.

Short memories some people.

If anyone was expecting them to turn us into the Real Madrid of England then i suggest you set your hopes too high.

The only mostake they made is keeping hold of a lack lustre manager for too long but on the other hand they showed loyalty to him which is no bad thing.

They have now righted that wrong as can be seen from our last 3 matches,

Long may they reign :banner:
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Wisel
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It's just run as a business for heavens sake. The owners don't put their own money into the club very often, but they have at critical times, and they don't take profit out of the club.

I have always felt the best thing (and they have done many things) that they did for this club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. That way lies stability, and the chance of building on solid foundations, the previous owners were just asset stripping the club towards destruction. We are now one of the most stable clubs in the country and the envy (business wise) of many.
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gene autry
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Mar 15 2008, 10:14 AM
It's just run as a business for heavens sake. The owners don't put their own money into the club very often, but they have at critical times, and they don't take profit out of the club.

I have always felt the best thing (and they have done many things) that they did for this club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. That way lies stability, and the chance of building on solid foundations, the previous owners were just asset stripping the club towards destruction. We are now one of the most stable clubs in the country and the envy (business wise) of many.

I can't disagree with most of that wisel, except for a qualification.

The owners do indirectly take out of the club, whether it is in expenses (travel, chauffers,airflights etc) or through subsiduary loans from their companies. This is not to say they are free loading by any means - but those outgoings do run into millions.

They are businessmen, not philantrophists, and as such have made blues a viable and attractive product. For sale. They have not made blues a dynamic and footballing force in the country though. McCleish may :D

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perksyno9
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lake of :blink: investment

McFadden

Kapo

Muamba

Ridgewell

O'conner

Murphy

all came for millions i do believe

be quiet u silly fool
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Mar 15 2008, 09:29 AM
Bluenose43
Mar 15 2008, 08:16 AM
harken
Mar 14 2008, 07:37 PM

Oh and how did they invest in January? The sooner they sell to someone interested the better, but that's been done to death already.

Mc Fadden, Murphy, Zarate or have you been away for a while?

True Murphy and Mcfadden come ust under 10 mil with Zarate aswell his wages on top of Murphys and Mcfaddens just adds on top of the wage budget.

So dont say we never spent anything just because we never got our center half/s we wanted.

Yes, however...what was spent and how much made in January, including money from bruce? I think you will find were in profit. So if thats the case we aint spent nothing have we. Remembe all those post on the last day of the sale. Most up in arms because we didnt really spend? I do! But we have been stedy since they took over all those years ago, and i for one will always be grateful. :applause:
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gene autry
Mar 15 2008, 04:29 PM
Wisel
Mar 15 2008, 10:14 AM
It's just run as a business for heavens sake. The owners don't put their own money into the club very often, but they have at critical times, and they don't take profit out of the club.

I have always felt the best thing (and they have done many things) that they did for this club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. That way lies stability, and the chance of building on solid foundations, the previous owners were just asset stripping the club towards destruction. We are now one of the most stable clubs in the country and the envy (business wise) of many.

I can't disagree with most of that wisel, except for a qualification.

The owners do indirectly take out of the club, whether it is in expenses (travel, chauffers,airflights etc) or through subsiduary loans from their companies. This is not to say they are free loading by any means - but those outgoings do run into millions.

They are businessmen, not philantrophists, and as such have made blues a viable and attractive product. For sale. They have not made blues a dynamic and footballing force in the country though. McCleish may :D

That's why I said they don't take profit.
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perksyno9
Mar 15 2008, 06:56 PM
lake of :blink: investment

McFadden

Kapo

Muamba

Ridgewell

O'conner

Murphy

all came for millions i do believe

be quiet u silly fool

Fool you. I didn't say no investment I said lack of investment.

1
Where were the experienced Premiership quality central defenders to support Kelly and Sadler in summer. We all saw the failings of Taylor and Jaidi in the Championship. Parnaby, Scmidtz and Ridgewell only came in because there were cheap.

2
Where was the Premiership experienced central midfielder to support the inexperience of Muamba, Larsson and McSheffrey. Oh yes, it was DJ who had been offloaded by stable Premier club Blackburn for £15k and Nafti who had less than six months playing experience.

3
Where was a proven and fit Premiership striker. Forssell was the closest but was he 100% fit when the decision was made to add the unproven O'Connor and judging from his first Championship season with the far from complete Jerome. No O'Connor came in because he was cheap.

Full marks for getting Kapo though.

In January we fixed point 3 because McFadden and Zarate arrived and Forssell was clearly fit but we left central defence and central midfield untouched and didn't address the first half of the season discovery that Colin Doyle was not ready for the Premiership and Maik Taylor judgement had deteriated alarmingly.
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beegeeblueboy....
You and I are normally on the same page....
Not always but most times!

However....
If I owned the Club and was in their position I would look at central midfield and ask why we needed anyone else!
We have that many central midfielders we could put out a full Team....
So before we buy more let's talk strategy, get rid of some we have and then invest....
Did Big Mac have sufficient time to actually do this plus everything else he was doing?

Central defence we totally agree as does everyone else at the Club....
Cahill was a done deal until he changed his mind at the last minute and it looks like that may be a decision he regrets when he is playing Championship Football next Season!
We were then left with no contingency....
So the Owners cannot be blamed for that!
Just look at the comments since from DG and DS regarding their disappointment with Cahill....
And that would have been £12m plus spent in January; more than any other Club I think, but please correct me if I am wrong.

Last Summer is totally different....
Events since then would indicate that the Owners had lost faith in Bruce and therefore at that time the Owners must have been questioning SB's judgement in the transfer market....
Would you have given more money to Brucie at that time?

Now we have the Big Mac in charge....
And we notice the difference.....
Out of all the Teams in the lower half of the Premiership we are the best prepared by a mile....
Will we survive relegation? No doubt!
Do the current Owners believe in the new Manager? Absolutely!
They have even increased their investment in the Club and confirmed they want to stay!
The proof will come in the Summer when you see how much money they invest....
But I think they will invest far more than they have before but still be prudent because this is a Business!
We all know that Managers, whoever they are, want more players than they need and will spend more money than they have!
Let's wait and see ay?
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Mar 15 2008, 10:14 AM
It's just run as a business for heavens sake. The owners don't put their own money into the club very often, but they have at critical times, and they don't take profit out of the club.

I have always felt the best thing (and they have done many things) that they did for this club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. That way lies stability, and the chance of building on solid foundations, the previous owners were just asset stripping the club towards destruction. We are now one of the most stable clubs in the country and the envy (business wise) of many.

Don't take profit? £15 million from Carsson Yeung is quite a decent sum. Should more than cover whatever they've spent.

Comparing them to the previous owners is not that helpful, as we're in a completely different scenario now.

Lets compare ourselves to Villa. Doug Ellis did what he felt was the best thing (and he had done many things) what he did for that club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. Yes they were stable and financially viable, but stagnant in football terms. Then an owner came in with a different mindset. He has been able to take them on and improve in football terms.

It is hard to deny that Sullivan and the Golds have been good for the club for most of their time with us, but they are bored now and it's time for them to go. When they do they will have made a very tidy profit from Blues.
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harken Posted on Mar 16 2008, 12:43 PM

Don't take profit? £15 million from Carsson Yeung is quite a decent sum. Should more than cover whatever they've spent
That's £15m - less what they paid for those shares....
Deduct interest free loans.....
And for them to make £12m available in January was remarkable....
Or do you think that they have that sort of money just lying in a bank account somewhere?
They would have had to sell investments to make that available....
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....but they are bored now and it's time for them to go....

And not wanting to disillusion you....
But they are now re-inspired because at last they have an intelligent, quality Manager who is capable of taking this Club way beyond the next level!
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£12 million? McLeish bought McFadden and Murphy - they did not cost £12 million and money was raised from selling off players in the same window.
Quoting £12 million is very creative accounting!

It is indeed disillusioning that they are now thinking of staying - but I agree with your description of the new manager.
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gene autry
Mar 15 2008, 05:29 PM
Wisel
Mar 15 2008, 10:14 AM
It's just run as a business for heavens sake. The owners don't put their own money into the club very often, but they have at critical times, and they don't take profit out of the club.

I have always felt the best thing (and they have done many things) that they did for this club was to make it a regular, financially sound gong business. That way lies stability, and the chance of building on solid foundations, the previous owners were just asset stripping the club towards destruction. We are now one of the most stable clubs in the country and the envy (business wise) of many.

I can't disagree with most of that wisel, except for a qualification.

The owners do indirectly take out of the club, whether it is in expenses (travel, chauffers,airflights etc) or through subsiduary loans from their companies. This is not to say they are free loading by any means - but those outgoings do run into millions.

They are businessmen, not philantrophists, and as such have made blues a viable and attractive product. For sale. They have not made blues a dynamic and footballing force in the country though. McCleish may :D

I suggest that you look at the company accounts before 'suggesting' that they take out millions in expenses etc. Wisel is correct and you are talking total tosh.

Your post stating; 'The owners do indirectly take out of the club, whether it is in expenses (travel, chauffers,airflights etc) or through subsiduary loans from their companies. This is not to say they are free loading by any means - but those outgoings do run into millions', is totally false and potentially leaving yourself open to libel.

Facts:
Neither DG nor DS claim any expenses that they incur whilst working for Blues.
They do not get paid ANY salary for working for Blues.
They do not take a single penny out of Blues.
They have loaned Blues millions at nil interest.
They have put in millions of their own money.

Question:
How many people work the hours they do, lend the money they do, yet not receive any money through; expenses, salary or interest on their loans?
Answer:
Very few people in this take all and profit orientated world.

The originator of this post couldn't even get the correct person's quote. It was DG who stated the 'quote', not David Sullivan at all - shakes head.
'gene autry' then follows up with total tosh about DG and DG stating; 'The owners do indirectly take out of the club ..... and ......'those outgoings do run into millions'. One day I hope that someone gets sued on this board and then perhaps the throw away remarks and accusations will be more circumspect.

I for one am grateful we have them both at the helm. I just wish some people who don't have a clue on the facts (or reality!) would stop making totally false insinuations.

Check facts before spouting off.

:Blues:
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harken Posted on Mar 16 2008, 02:56 PM
£12 million? McLeish bought McFadden and Murphy - they did not cost £12 million and money was raised from selling off players in the same window.
Quoting £12 million is very creative accounting!

Oh Dear! Let me explain.....
I said:
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And for them to make £12m available in January was remarkable....

That would be available for:
McFadden £6m
Murphy £1.7m
Cahill £5m
So actually it was £13m plus Zarate Loan Deal....
But I presume we are not disagreeing over a couple of million here....

And whether they sell other players or not is immaterial....
To keep, sell or buy players is the Manager's decision within his budget....
If players were sold it was because Big Mac didn't see them as the future of the Club....
That gets rid of uncertainty and allows those who stay to realise that they are actually wanted!
Selling, buying, balancing the books is business....!
And you don't keep in stock what you don't need!
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harken Posted on Mar 16 2008, 12:43 PM

Don't take profit? £15 million from Carsson Yeung is quite a decent sum. Should more than cover whatever they've spent
That's £15m - less what they paid for those shares....
Deduct interest free loans.....
And for them to make £12m available in January was remarkable....
Or do you think that they have that sort of money just lying in a bank account somewhere?
They would have had to sell investments to make that available....
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....but they are bored now and it's time for them to go....

And not wanting to disillusion you....
But they are now re-inspired because at last they have an intelligent, quality Manager who is capable of taking this Club way beyond the next level!

You are implying that the £12 million being made available came personally from Messrs Gold and Sullivan. Is that true? Do you know that as a fact? I'll bow to your inside knowledge then Bluebird.

If that's true then I'm so grateful they made their personal wealth available. is that the right answer?

Mind you they had the £15 million from Carsson.
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harken Posted on Mar 16 2008, 06:38 PM

Mind you they had the £15 million from Carsson

They did have the £15m from Carsson....
However that was personal money again and I do not know how much they paid originally for their shares, whether they made a profit on the transaction or how much it was if they did....
I am certain they paid their taxes on it if they did make a profit!
Others on this Forum may have that information....
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