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Dont Want To Slate Any Individual But.....
Topic Started: Mar 18 2008, 04:50 PM (1,005 Views)
Wisel
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tim
Mar 19 2008, 11:11 AM
Wisel
Mar 19 2008, 10:51 AM
tim
Mar 19 2008, 10:24 AM
Wisel
Mar 19 2008, 09:46 AM
Again this seems to be having a go at a Blues player in total isolation of what goes on in football day in day out. The number of times I see players grab the ball pre whistle is so numerous i couldn't even start to count. But it seems if it is a player for Arsenal, Manure, Liverpool of any top club it is OK, even, and this astounds me, even for Blues supporters????? I don't think I will ever get to grips with that.

Wisel, Players catch the ball after the whistle has gone, not in anticipation of it!

There was no whistle except to tell Ridgewell he had ****** up and given the oppo a free kick in a dangerous position.

Sorry to disagree, but I absoiutely do. It is part of the gamesmanship in the modern game, catch the ball force the ref to decide in your favour. Arsenal do it all the time.

no need to apologise :)

Regardless of 'other' incidents, do you think it was the right thing to do? Would you like this to be taught to 7/8 year olds on a Sunday morning as part and parcel of modern football?

That depends, and is a different issue. Would I like it taught, here is the moral dilemma. I do not agree with all of the professional tricks in the game today, and the idealist in me says no, do not teach it to my kids. However, we have to live in the real world. If they are to be professional footballers, and stand a chance of making any money out of the game, then they have to be taught every nuance, and be taught to make their own new ones. My middle road would be.....here's what the professionals do, it is effectively cheating, but human nature being what it is, they get away with it. You could be really really good if you can work around it, be aware that it goes on but steer clear of doing it yourself. Then you can always hold the moral high ground, as long as you are good enough your football will shine through. Mind, I still feel I am a little in the idealist side of what would actually work best.
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Wisel
Mar 20 2008, 08:35 AM

Sorry to disagree, but I absoiutely do. It is part of the gamesmanship in the modern game, catch the ball force the ref to decide in your favour. Arsenal do it all the time. [/QUOTE]
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But it's certainly not cheating, gamesmanship or professionalism to catch the ball just outside your own penalty area and thereby award a free kick in a dangerous position to the opposition. It's simply incompetence. The fact that there are other similar examples of incompetence by professionals at other club isnt really mitigation.

It may be true that professionals regularly 'cheat' to try and gain an advantage for their team, and that is distasteful. But that isn't what Ridgewell did. He made a very stupid error that is worthy of criticism.

Ridgewell's recent performances have been notable, sadly, for lapses of judgement, many of which have led to goals being scored against us. This was another example that only had a happier ending because Newcastle didn't capitalise on his mistake.




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What this boils down to really is it's just another chance to have a go at a player who many people think is not good enough for the squad.

If we had all been behind the player 100% and loved him to bits we would all be on here saying how unfair it was and it should have been given as offside.

Ridgewell was big enough to 'cross the divide' at the start of the season, not knowing of the reception he would get. He took a huge chance and I think he has done OK.

Yes he has made mistakes, as have other players. Muamba for instance is great at winning the ball in the centre of the park, then almost always gives it straight back to the opposition. Does he get slated on here time and time again...No.

It seems we have our favourites that can do no wrong and others that can do no right.

I for one applaud the way Ridgewell has started his blues career and he will get better with time.

The whole team need to cut out errors, from the front men to the keeper.

If, and i do say if, we are to get relegated this season it won't be down to 1 defender's mistakes. It will be because of a whole team's inability to win games.
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bobafett'sabluenose
Mar 20 2008, 09:37 AM
What this boils down to really is it's just another chance to have a go at a player who many people think is not good enough for the squad.

If we had all been behind the player 100% and loved him to bits we would all be on here saying how unfair it was and it should have been given as offside.

Ridgewell was big enough to 'cross the divide' at the start of the season, not knowing of the reception he would get. He took a huge chance and I think he has done OK.

Yes he has made mistakes, as have other players. Muamba for instance is great at winning the ball in the centre of the park, then almost always gives it straight back to the opposition. Does he get slated on here time and time again...No.

It seems we have our favourites that can do no wrong and others that can do no right.

I for one applaud the way Ridgewell has started his blues career and he will get better with time.

The whole team need to cut out errors, from the front men to the keeper.

If, and i do say if, we are to get relegated this season it won't be down to 1 defender's mistakes. It will be because of a whole team's inability to win games.

Sorry I disagree with you.
Mr. Ridgewell has made mistakes that have cost us points regularly; no other player has done this.
He is a liability at the moment and needs some time in the reserves to sort his head out.
Moving from Villa to Blues has nothing to do with it.
Most blues fans can see if a player is performing well or not.
He is not up to the job right now, catching the ball without the whistle blowing is unforgivable, he was not under pressure, he was not been tackled, all he had to do was chest it and kick it out or trap it at his feet if he believed he was going to get a free kick for off side. The difference from most other times a player grabs the ball before the whistle is that they normally have been fowled and are lying on the floor, this was not the case, he was in acres of space and the ball was floating down to him, he was under no pressure. Total disgrace and totally un-professional
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Wisel
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Bluediver
Mar 20 2008, 09:31 AM
Wisel,Mar 20 2008
08:35 AM

Sorry to disagree, but I absoiutely do. It is part of the gamesmanship in the modern game, catch the ball force the ref to decide in your favour. Arsenal do it all the time.

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But it's certainly not cheating, gamesmanship or professionalism to catch the ball just outside your own penalty area and thereby award a free kick in a dangerous position to the opposition. It's simply incompetence. The fact that there are other similar examples of incompetence by professionals at other club isnt really mitigation.

It may be true that professionals regularly 'cheat' to try and gain an advantage for their team, and that is distasteful. But that isn't what Ridgewell did. He made a very stupid error that is worthy of criticism.

Ridgewell's recent performances have been notable, sadly, for lapses of judgement, many of which have led to goals being scored against us. This was another example that only had a happier ending because Newcastle didn't capitalise on his mistake. [/QUOTE]
Not sure whether it was incompetence or professionalism by Ridgewell, only he would know that, but it sure is professionalism by the majority who do it. No doubt at all. You can see it even more pronounced in South American games, even European games, and because of our multi cultural football in the UK it has established itself in the game here.
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bluerinse
Mar 20 2008, 09:54 AM
bobafett'sabluenose
Mar 20 2008, 09:37 AM
What this boils down to really is it's just another chance to have a go at a player who many people think is not good enough for the squad.

If we had all been behind the player 100% and loved him to bits we would all be on here saying how unfair it was and it should have been given as offside.

Ridgewell was big enough to 'cross the divide' at the start of the season, not knowing of the reception he would get. He took a huge chance and I think he has done OK.

Yes he has made mistakes, as have other players. Muamba for instance is great at winning the ball in the centre of the park, then almost always gives it straight back to the opposition. Does he get slated on here time and time again...No.

It seems we have our favourites that can do no wrong and others that can do no right.

I for one applaud the way Ridgewell has started his blues career and he will get better with time.

The whole team need to cut out errors, from the front men to the keeper.

If, and i do say if, we are to get relegated this season it won't be down to 1 defender's mistakes. It will be because of a whole team's inability to win games.

Sorry I disagree with you.
Mr. Ridgewell has made mistakes that have cost us points regularly; no other player has done this.
He is a liability at the moment and needs some time in the reserves to sort his head out.
Moving from Villa to Blues has nothing to do with it.
Most blues fans can see if a player is performing well or not.
He is not up to the job right now, catching the ball without the whistle blowing is unforgivable, he was not under pressure, he was not been tackled, all he had to do was chest it and kick it out or trap it at his feet if he believed he was going to get a free kick for off side. The difference from most other times a player grabs the ball before the whistle is that they normally have been fowled and are lying on the floor, this was not the case, he was in acres of space and the ball was floating down to him, he was under no pressure. Total disgrace and totally un-professional

But as usual, when A Blues player is going through a bad time too many of our 'supporters' find it far too easy to dig the knife and twist is and seem not to be able to 'support' the man through his difficulties.
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Mar 18 2008, 05:08 PM
It was a shame because said player was having a decent game up until the incident. He needed an error free game to move on but this will make more pressure on him in the next game.

That is true of most of his games. Doing well but then makes a high-profile mistake.

Martin O'Neill, despite what most Bluenoses think, does know what he is doing.
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High ball coming out of the sky through the floodlights, might have even moved a bit on the wind. Certainly not an easy chance to take.

Got his body behind it, made sure his palms were underneath the ball and pulled it into his chest to make sure it didn't get away. Excellent technique.
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mmmm, a thread slagging one of our players, how unusual - isn't it about now partisan makes an appearance? :angel:
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franscar
Mar 21 2008, 12:54 PM
High ball coming out of the sky through the floodlights, might have even moved a bit on the wind. Certainly not an easy chance to take.

Got his body behind it, made sure his palms were underneath the ball and pulled it into his chest to make sure it didn't get away. Excellent technique.

Did it myself....when I was six!!
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Mar 21 2008, 12:54 PM
High ball coming out of the sky through the floodlights, might have even moved a bit on the wind. Certainly not an easy chance to take.

Got his body behind it, made sure his palms were underneath the ball and pulled it into his chest to make sure it didn't get away. Excellent technique.

Maik Taylor will have to fight to keep his place in the side...
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Another Ridgewell shocker today. Time for him to take a well-overdue rest. Maybe two or three games ouit to sort his head out and he'll come back stronger.
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