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What's So Frustrating Is...
Topic Started: Mar 25 2008, 10:43 AM (583 Views)
lowdham bluenose
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We have a team that is more than capable of hoding it's own and is mid-table....apart from two central defenders.

The midfield, especially Larsson and Kapo, are creative and can score goals. The midfield, especially Muamba and Nafti, can break up play and mix it with the big boys when required.

The forwards,especially Forsell and McFadden,are proven Premier and international goalscorers.

The two full backs are the best pairing we've had for some time.

Unless we can do something with the central defence we will probably get relegated and as a consequence will lose all the above mentioned players.

We have the foundation for a good future in the Premiership which can be blown apart. That's why I am so frustrated. TBH two years ago I couldn't care a ***** about being relegated because I saw no future with that squad.

We need to plug that hole and limp across the finishing line.
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Totally agree, on paper we're the best team in the bottom six.
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jujhimup
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really difficult one to call this season.

my 'gut' feeling is that we will be ok - i think other teams around us are of similar quality/averageness or possibly worse, and i can see us scraping through by the skin of our teeth.

OTOH, a lot depends on results against the other sides and each other, for me the wigan game is a huge one and we certainly havent done ourselves any favours by losing to the likes of sunderland, reading, middlesbrough, bolton and newcastle away, then drawing at home to reading, sunderland, newcastle, fulham and derby.

in all those games, individual errors by the central defenders have been the root cause of most of the goals conceded.
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we have no where neer a prem side, not one of our CD's and CM's are prem quality and we only have two forwards that are good enough for thyis division.

now i'm not knocking the players there doing there best and since mcleish has took over they have done fantasticly well to kep our head above water.

we need to strenthen in key areas and get decent back to the squad.

if we dont and we dop stay up this season then i would say we will struggle next season.

when i look at the teams around us and see where we are it just gos to show how good a manager mcleish is.
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notice we havent been winning since jonty came back in v reading at home

i am sure we won more with jonty not in the team under mcleish
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Mar 25 2008, 11:48 AM
notice we havent been winning since jonty came back in v reading at home

i am sure we won more with jonty not in the team under mcleish

Well he wasn't in the the team against reading.

He was was in both teams that drew with Arsenal and beat Tottenham.

You're just looking for a reason to have a go at him, give the guy a break. He has played really well for us in many games this season and McLeish clearly rates him.

He didn't have the best game at newcastle and as a result was dropped. It's not like under Bruce anymore, he won't play regardless. So give the guy a break, he's a Blues player, and has been for a long time. :banner:
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totally agree... unfortunately this has been a problem all season and could cause our relegation!!
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If we can stay up this season I honestly believe we are destined for a great season 08-09. AM has already identified the centre backs as a problem area, evidenced by the attempt to purchase Cahill, and if the board hadnt messed up in january as is strongly rumoured, we would not be in the position we are in now.
Ridgewell I believe will improve in time, but unfortunately time is what we havent got.
I agree, it is very frustrating.
Lowdham Bluenose, you are spot on.
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lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2008, 10:43 AM
We have a team that is more than capable of hoding it's own and is mid-table....apart from two central defenders.

The midfield, especially Larsson and Kapo, are creative and can score goals. The midfield, especially Muamba and Nafti, can break up play and mix it with the big boys when required.

The forwards,especially Forsell and McFadden,are proven Premier and international goalscorers.

The two full backs are the best pairing we've had for some time.

Unless we can do something with the central defence we will probably get relegated and as a consequence will lose all the above mentioned players.

We have the foundation for a good future in the Premiership which can be blown apart. That's why I am so frustrated. TBH two years ago I couldn't care a ***** about being relegated because I saw no future with that squad.

We need to plug that hole and limp across the finishing line.

:applause:

i agree 100%
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wardendbluenose
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We have too many weak links through the whole team. Of course they are not all bad all the time and when they play well we get a result like Spurs.

But on too many occasions we have too many players not cutting it on the day, we can get away with one or two not doing it, but when you have half a team not up to scratch then we're in trouble.
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wardendbluenose
Mar 25 2008, 02:49 PM
We have too many weak links through the whole team.

but when you have half a team not up to scratch then we're in trouble

who and where?

I'll give you the GK and CB's (of which I don't think Ridgewell is as bad as people are saying... he just needs a decent partner) but the rest of the team is looking pretty good imo

and as for the second part... that goes for any team in the world not just blues
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lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2008, 10:43 AM
We have a team that is more than capable of hoding it's own and is mid-table....apart from two central defenders.

We have the foundation for a good future in the Premiership which can be blown apart. That's why I am so frustrated. TBH two years ago I couldn't care a ***** about being relegated because I saw no future with that squad.

We need to plug that hole and limp across the finishing line.

Oh for another quick transfer window.

Can't you see man. We have what we have and thats it.

Unlike you, the manager works with our squad everyday. And his experience - with respect like- may be greater than yours.

We all know our squad is woefully light, and that is thanks to Bruce and the Board. We bought in 3 very good players in January - ( even though David Gold was spouting to the world how he would dip into his back pocket etc etc)

We have what we have.

No points for highlighting one weak spot in our squad. Perhaps you should have been more realistic in saying these are areas for strengthening.

No points for promising relegation with your incredible perception.

Watch this forum man, every day someone will highlight another area of the team or squad that is weak.

We all know that.

So does the manager.

The difficulty people like you have is in being constructive.

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lowdham bluenose
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Elvis

My point is not highlighting weaknesses or looking back at transfer windows etc, I am highlighting my frustration at the possibilty of losing the foundations of a promising Premiership team.

No other team in the Bottom Six has potential like ours, but for a lousy big hole in our defence we might lose that potential.

..and to add insult to injury look what maybe coming up, Stoke, Bristol City, Watford - hardly a threat to us if we can stay up.
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jassyblue80
Mar 25 2008, 04:21 PM
wardendbluenose
Mar 25 2008, 02:49 PM
We have too many weak links through the whole team.

but when you have half a team not up to scratch then we're in trouble

who and where?

I'll give you the GK and CB's (of which I don't think Ridgewell is as bad as people are saying... he just needs a decent partner) but the rest of the team is looking pretty good imo

and as for the second part... that goes for any team in the world not just blues

Yes I can, the GK and CB's that's 3 players already out of 11 who are hindering us.

In the midfield it is different, McSheffrey on the left is not the player he was, the CM combination of Johnson and Muamba can either boss a midfield or be totally over-ran. No consistency from them whatsoever. These two was in control away vs Pompey, but not 2nd half vs Newcastle.

DJ is a good player, I'm not knocking him but if you have Muamba who does exactly the same thing next to him it ends up allowing us to be over-run depending on the opposition. Muamba will get better with age, in an ideal world I'm sure McLeish would like to rest him every now and then but we can't due to our squad.

Up-front Forssell can only manage 60-70mins and is only effective in the box, some days we don't get the ball in there enough so we don't play to his strengths.

What I'm saying is if any comibination of these players are not having a good game then it shows. On their day they are good and potential for mid-table, and the quality of the players around them allows one or two to not be at their best (Muamba vs Spurs).

In a nutshell we end up carrying too many players on matchdays. Different players are responsible for it, some we know can improve with time, others we know probably won't.
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Mar 25 2008, 04:39 PM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2008, 10:43 AM
We have a team that is more than capable of hoding it's own and is mid-table....apart from two central defenders.

We have the foundation for a good future in the Premiership which can be blown apart. That's why I am so frustrated. TBH two years ago I couldn't care a ***** about being relegated because I saw no future with that squad.

We need to plug that hole and limp across the finishing line.

Oh for another quick transfer window.

Can't you see man. We have what we have and thats it.

Unlike you, the manager works with our squad everyday. And his experience - with respect like- may be greater than yours.

We all know our squad is woefully light, and that is thanks to Bruce and the Board. We bought in 3 very good players in January - ( even though David Gold was spouting to the world how he would dip into his back pocket etc etc)

We have what we have.

No points for highlighting one weak spot in our squad. Perhaps you should have been more realistic in saying these are areas for strengthening.

No points for promising relegation with your incredible perception.

Watch this forum man, every day someone will highlight another area of the team or squad that is weak.

We all know that.

So does the manager.

The difficulty people like you have is in being constructive.

I take your point lowdham.

But look at this board this afternoon.

Thread after thread and post after post slamming one player or another. One combination after another.

We know that. We all have eyes and we can see the evidence.

What we do not have is any form of constructive and positive comment.

You start a thread about your worries and it grows into a thread of a hundred wannabe managers all picking their own team, all with their own scapegoats.

If I'd not seen it for years I wouldn't worry - thing is, this squad is not that bad.We've all seen worse.

Lightweight. In ability and strength and numbers - perhaps.. But I would keep them all when we stay up.I'd just add to the competition and shove up the wage bill a bit.

I wouldn't, and never will, select and pinpoint individual team players.
As you and others have done.

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lowdham bluenose
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I really think you are on a different planet Elvis. In my post I have praised eight players, stated our potential and you respond about slating players, picking teams, no positive comments.

It appears sober and/or non-stoned posters have agreed with my sentiments.
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Mar 25 2008, 10:51 AM
really difficult one to call this season.

my 'gut' feeling is that we will be ok - i think other teams around us are of similar quality/averageness or possibly worse, and i can see us scraping through by the skin of our teeth.

OTOH, a lot depends on results against the other sides and each other, for me the wigan game is a huge one and we certainly havent done ourselves any favours by losing to the likes of sunderland, reading, middlesbrough, bolton and newcastle away, then drawing at home to reading, sunderland, newcastle, fulham and derby.

in all those games, individual errors by the central defenders have been the root cause of most of the goals conceded.

Referees and luck will be the difference, we are imo better than the teams around us if only marginally, we have been unlucky over the last few weeks, pompy , reading and newcastle. we havent had the rub of the green OR CENTRE HALFS lately but hopefully the luck will change.,WE WILL STAY UP ................KRO! **thumbup
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What really annoyed me in the transfer window was the fact we didn't have a plan B when the Cahill deal fell through.One minute we were ready to spend £5 million on a much needed centre-half and the next we decided we didn't need one ? :banghead:
I said at the time it was a big, big gamble and now it could cost us our precious prem place.
Quite simply we either needed a good commanding centre-half or we didn't ! We all knew the answer to that !
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lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2008, 06:16 PM
It appears sober and/or non-stoned posters have agreed with my sentiments.

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Mar 26 2008, 12:51 AM
What really annoyed me in the transfer window was the fact we didn't have a plan B when the Cahill deal fell through.One minute we were ready to spend £5 million on a much needed centre-half and the next we decided we didn't need one ? :banghead:
I said at the time it was a big, big gamble and now it could cost us our precious prem place.
Quite simply we either needed a good commanding centre-half or we didn't ! We all knew the answer to that !
:banghead:

This is just what Brum do......... :angry:
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wardendbluenose
Mar 25 2008, 05:28 PM
jassyblue80
Mar 25 2008, 04:21 PM
wardendbluenose
Mar 25 2008, 02:49 PM
We have too many weak links through the whole team.

but when you have half a team not up to scratch then we're in trouble

who and where?

I'll give you the GK and CB's (of which I don't think Ridgewell is as bad as people are saying... he just needs a decent partner) but the rest of the team is looking pretty good imo

and as for the second part... that goes for any team in the world not just blues

Yes I can, the GK and CB's that's 3 players already out of 11 who are hindering us.

In the midfield it is different, McSheffrey on the left is not the player he was, the CM combination of Johnson and Muamba can either boss a midfield or be totally over-ran. No consistency from them whatsoever. These two was in control away vs Pompey, but not 2nd half vs Newcastle.

DJ is a good player, I'm not knocking him but if you have Muamba who does exactly the same thing next to him it ends up allowing us to be over-run depending on the opposition. Muamba will get better with age, in an ideal world I'm sure McLeish would like to rest him every now and then but we can't due to our squad.

Up-front Forssell can only manage 60-70mins and is only effective in the box, some days we don't get the ball in there enough so we don't play to his strengths.

What I'm saying is if any comibination of these players are not having a good game then it shows. On their day they are good and potential for mid-table, and the quality of the players around them allows one or two to not be at their best (Muamba vs Spurs).

In a nutshell we end up carrying too many players on matchdays. Different players are responsible for it, some we know can improve with time, others we know probably won't.

I don't think muamba and dj do the same job! muamba is a box to box player and can break down the opposisition also. with a few years under his belt he will do the job on his own along side an all out attacking midfielder... however at the moment he needs the experience and defensiveness of DJ next to him imo.

forsell a striker who comes alive in the box?? what ever next a defender who makes tackles :P sorry but thats his job, like you say with a bit better service I'm sure we would see more goals from him!

I agree with mcsheffery he has been hot and cold all seaosn, unfortunately kapo got injured just when he seemed to be hitting some real form!

i agree that if a combination of the players you mentioned don't perform then we don't as a team and once again I say name me a team who do perform when key players don't? I honestly don't think we do carry many players a lot of the time... we can't afford to as has shown in the few real dire performeances and results we have had this season (huddersfield etc)
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What annoys me most about all the troublesome about the centre backs is, when you all start complaing about the number of goals that the strikers could have had throughout the season but haven't. Ok Ridgewell has made mistakes, but what about the defenders that were behind him, don't they bear some of the responsibility as well. The proof is in the pudding. We'll see what the results are for these next two matches. Whatever way they go there will always be people that have to have amoan! :banner: :banner:
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