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Birmingham Consider Boateng Move; loan (Merged)
Topic Started: Sep 5 2008, 07:33 AM (5,540 Views)
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Sep 8 2008, 07:01 AM
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Sep 8 2008, 10:09 AM
beegeeblueboy
Sep 8 2008, 05:05 AM
PartisanBCFC
Sep 8 2008, 09:37 AM
This is the only real info I can find on the loan system but I know there is more to it


"" Clubs from the Football League Championship to the Football Conference can loan in players from 8 September to 23 November and also from 8 February until 23 March ""



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I think the dates you mentioned ar the loan start dates not the durations.

Yes.....that is what it meant

I still cannot understand therefore why we are only loaning PB for 3 months.....it is NOT an emergency loan as someone else suggested is it ??

Still doesn't make much sense ....Surely we would need the guy till at least January where we could even sign him permanently when the TW re-opens on Jan 1st

They are emergency loans though, whether you like it or not. The transfer window has closed but the FA decided this was unfair for 'smaller' clubs so decided that they would allow players to move to lower league clubs as an 'emergency' when the window is closed. This is why you can't bring players from across the border, as it is our FA's policy. They had to impose the 3 month deadline due to FIFA regulations (otherwise it would be like the transfer window didn't exist).

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s...97319-21656367/

Ok...I think I get it now

Thanks for straightening that out

But on the other hand if Boateng does well for us.....We could still sign him permanently in January

But of course it would allow other clubs to go after him too

That is the downside


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Sep 8 2008, 06:06 PM
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Sep 8 2008, 07:01 AM
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Sep 8 2008, 10:09 AM
beegeeblueboy
Sep 8 2008, 05:05 AM
PartisanBCFC
Sep 8 2008, 09:37 AM
This is the only real info I can find on the loan system but I know there is more to it


"" Clubs from the Football League Championship to the Football Conference can loan in players from 8 September to 23 November and also from 8 February until 23 March ""



-------------------------------

I think the dates you mentioned ar the loan start dates not the durations.

Yes.....that is what it meant

I still cannot understand therefore why we are only loaning PB for 3 months.....it is NOT an emergency loan as someone else suggested is it ??

Still doesn't make much sense ....Surely we would need the guy till at least January where we could even sign him permanently when the TW re-opens on Jan 1st

They are emergency loans though, whether you like it or not. The transfer window has closed but the FA decided this was unfair for 'smaller' clubs so decided that they would allow players to move to lower league clubs as an 'emergency' when the window is closed. This is why you can't bring players from across the border, as it is our FA's policy. They had to impose the 3 month deadline due to FIFA regulations (otherwise it would be like the transfer window didn't exist).

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s...97319-21656367/

Ok...I think I get it now

Thanks for straightening that out

But on the other hand if Boateng does well for us.....We could still sign him permanently in January

But of course it would allow other clubs to go after him too

That is the downside


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we could arrange a pre contract agreement after a month if we wished. if he does come to us on loan i think he would see it as an opportunity to showcase his ability and engineer a move back to germany in jan.
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Sep 8 2008, 12:41 PM
Spurs fan told me at weekend he's already been loaned out to another team??

We shall see :(

Could be Celtic


If he does come to us though I hope he doesn't do another 'Ghaly' and complain about the training routines

AM would throw a bloody fit................ :banghead:
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Sep 8 2008, 07:35 PM
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Sep 8 2008, 12:41 PM
Spurs fan told me at weekend he's already been loaned out to another team??

We shall see  :(

Could be Celtic


If he does come to us though I hope he doesn't do another 'Ghaly' and complain about the training routines

AM would throw a bloody fit................ :banghead:

You can only be loaned to clubs outside the top flight in your own country.
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Sep 8 2008, 05:12 PM
You can only be loaned to clubs outside the top flight in your own country.

Thanks N01Bluenose

I learn something new about this loan system every day


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Sep 9 2008, 03:38 AM
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Sep 8 2008, 05:12 PM
You can only be loaned to clubs outside the top flight in your own country.

Thanks N01Bluenose

I learn something new about this loan system every day


:Blues:

No problem. I think they just like to over complicate things to keep us guessing :D
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Sep 9 2008, 01:27 AM
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Sep 9 2008, 03:38 AM
NO1BLUENOSE
Sep 8 2008, 05:12 PM
You can only be loaned to clubs outside the top flight in your own country.

Thanks N01Bluenose

I learn something new about this loan system every day


:Blues:

No problem. I think they just like to over complicate things to keep us guessing :D

No1BlueNose

I have another question about the loan system then

Ben Watson of Crystal Palace is currently with another Championship club obviously.....a player we've been linked with many times in recent months

Is it still possible to sign another player from the same league on loan with this 'emergency' 3 month system ???

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Sep 9 2008, 08:56 AM
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Sep 9 2008, 01:27 AM
PartisanBCFC
Sep 9 2008, 03:38 AM
NO1BLUENOSE
Sep 8 2008, 05:12 PM
You can only be loaned to clubs outside the top flight in your own country.

Thanks N01Bluenose

I learn something new about this loan system every day


:Blues:

No problem. I think they just like to over complicate things to keep us guessing :D

No1BlueNose

I have another question about the loan system then

Ben Watson of Crystal Palace is currently with another Championship club obviously.....a player we've been linked with many times in recent months

Is it still possible to sign another player from the same league on loan with this 'emergency' 3 month system ???

feed.back

As far as i'm aware it is. Like you though, i've tried searching the net for information but there seems to be little about. I thought the football league website would explain it but can't see anything on there either.
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McLeish last night ran the rule over potential loan signing Kevin-Prince Boateng, who was at Villa Park playing for Spurs reserves.

The midfielder couldn’t help his side to victory, however, Villa won 1-0.

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s...97319-21708710/

Here is a match report from the spurs website... Taarabt sounded lively in this and another report i read of the match

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/artic...eway080908.html

Ressies push Villa all the way

The only goal of the game on 23 minutes settled the contest in favour of Aston Villa as our reserve side fell to a first defeat of the season at Villa Park on Monday night.

It turned out to be an unfortunate own goal that determined the destination of points and, despite a second half rally, Villa held firm and won the night.

Marlon Harewood drilled wide on five minutes as he attempted to put his experience and power to effective use in a Villa side that contained a liberal sprinkling of players with a Premier League pedigree.

The man many of the locals had come to have a glimpse at was Carlos Cuellar, the recent recruit from Rangers at a reported £8m, who has yet to feature at first team level due to injury. He was partnered by Zat Knight at the back, while there was a familiar face on the Villa right in Wayne Routledge.

Chris Herd was next to fire just wide of the upright on 19 minutes as the home side pretty much dictated the tempo of the encounter with some lively wing play.

Three minutes later Villa took the lead in fortunate circumstances. A Zoltan Stieber corner fizzed through a crowd of players and sat up nicely for Herd to take a potshot on goal. Ben Alnwick made a superb reaction block, but the ball diverted onto the knee of David Hutton, who was on post duty, trickling over the line and into the net.

Isaiah Osbourne then rattled the crossbar before, in the moments before half-time, Routledge sped through on goal and should have scored, but poked wide of Alnwick's right hand post. Harewood burst through in a similar fashion before the whistle sounded with the same end result, albeit past the other post. Kevin Prince Boateng mounted a response at the other end, but shot wide in first half stoppage time.

Adel Taarabt and Hutton combined to present Boateng with the first chance of the second period, the German teed up to shoot from the edge of the area, but opted for placement rather than power and planted wide of the post,

Hutton carved himself out a chance on 56 minutes, this time opting for power and blasting over the crossbar.

Whatever Clive Allen said at half-time certainly seemed to have an effect on his side as an, at best, lethargic first half display was replaced by an energetic and imaginative start to the second.

Villa were pressed firmly on the back foot as the likes of Hutton and Andy Barcham injected pace into the team's efforts, supported by the unlikely source of Ricardo Rocha making sorties from the back.

Adam Smith and Andros Townsend took the place of Takura Mtandari and Kyle Fraser-Allen on 65 minutes, both substitutes having enjoyed some first team exposure over the pre-season period.

A breakthrough continued to prove elusive despite a far greater share of possession, with a Taarabt drive failing to really trouble Elliott Parish in the Villa goal with just over 15 minutes remaining.

Villa appeared to have weathered a minor storm as we entered the final ten minutes and established a foothold back in the game. Clive sent on striker Alex Olsen in place of Rocha for the last six minutes in a late bid to salvage some reward from the night.

It was not to be.
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Sep 8 2008, 12:49 PM
If its correct that you can only loan for 90 days then if he was to sign today his last game would be Watford at Home on the 6th December, if he was to sign on wednesday he would also be eligable to play against Plymouth on 9th December so if it is all done and dusted then it would be better to delay the registration of the player until wednesday and get an extra game out of it! (God I have too much time on my hands!)

Of course if it is for more then 90 days then ignore the above! :P

That's the plan **thumbup
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Sep 8 2008, 05:41 PM
Spurs fan told me at weekend he's already been loaned out to another team??

We shall see :(

mmmmm
Loaned out to Spurs reserves by the look of it :kiss:
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I think that the loan system works like this:

You can sign anyone on loan as long as:
You are not going TO a Premier League club (you can go FROM a Premier League club)
Both clubs must be in the English LEagues (not Scottish, Welsh, French etc)
The deals are done before some date in November.

Or you can sign out of contract players.

Therefore, Balde could sign for us only if he is released from his contract and becomes a free agent.
Ben Watson could be loaned to us, as could Boateng etc.
Unfortunately, Ronaldinho can't.
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Sep 9 2008, 07:41 AM
I think that the loan system works like this:

You can sign anyone on loan as long as:
You are not going TO a Premier League club (you can go FROM a Premier League club)
Both clubs must be in the English LEagues (not Scottish, Welsh, French etc)
The deals are done before some date in November.

Or you can sign out of contract players.

Therefore, Balde could sign for us only if he is released from his contract and becomes a free agent.
Ben Watson could be loaned to us, as could Boateng etc.
Unfortunately, Ronaldinho can't.

Shame about Ronaldhino

He was really keen on moving here ..... I think it was a question of money

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Sep 8 2008, 12:49 PM
If its correct that you can only loan for 90 days then if he was to sign today his last game would be Watford at Home on the 6th December, if he was to sign on wednesday he would also be eligable to play against Plymouth on 9th December so if it is all done and dusted then it would be better to delay the registration of the player until wednesday and get an extra game out of it! (God I have too much time on my hands!)

Of course if it is for more then 90 days then ignore the above! :P

That's the plan **thumbup

Looking good to sign him imminently :)
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Sep 8 2008, 12:49 PM
If its correct that you can only loan for 90 days then if he was to sign today his last game would be Watford at Home on the 6th December, if he was to sign on wednesday he would also be eligable to play against Plymouth on 9th December so if it is all done and dusted then it would be better to delay the registration of the player until wednesday and get an extra game out of it! (God I have too much time on my hands!)

Of course if it is for more then 90 days then ignore the above! :P

That's the plan **thumbup

Looking good to sign him imminently :)
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Sep 12 2008, 11:51 AM
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Sep 9 2008, 11:35 AM
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Sep 8 2008, 12:49 PM
If its correct that you can only loan for 90 days then if he was to sign today his last game would be Watford at Home on the 6th December, if he was to sign on wednesday he would also be eligable to play against Plymouth on 9th December so if it is all done and dusted then it would be better to delay the registration of the player until wednesday and get an extra game out of it! (God I have too much time on my hands!)

Of course if it is for more then 90 days then ignore the above! :P

That's the plan **thumbup

Looking good to sign him imminently :)
:Blues:

sauce

Spurs have agreed, medical on way
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Sep 12 2008, 11:51 AM
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Sep 12 2008, 10:19 AM
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Sep 9 2008, 11:35 AM
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Sep 8 2008, 12:49 PM
If its correct that you can only loan for 90 days then if he was to sign today his last game would be Watford at Home on the 6th December, if he was to sign on wednesday he would also be eligable to play against Plymouth on 9th December so if it is all done and dusted then it would be better to delay the registration of the player until wednesday and get an extra game out of it! (God I have too much time on my hands!)

Of course if it is for more then 90 days then ignore the above! :P

That's the plan **thumbup

Looking good to sign him imminently :)
:Blues:

sauce

Spurs have agreed, medical on way
:Blues:

As hoots said, sauce.
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The Birmingham Post 'understands' that an agreement has been reached with Spurs but unlikely to be completed today.


http://www.birminghampost.net/midlands-bir...65233-21805019/
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I think with Naffty out for three games might help to speed up this dithering Board or Manager to go and sign Boateng pr even Watson. dose anyone know when the deadline for tuesdays game would be.
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before blues scouted him never heard of him, just had a quick wikipedia browse and dont tell us much,

is he an attacking/defensive midfielder?

Anyone seen him play a few games?

He has a handful of goals but doesnt mention assists etc...
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whether we have seen KPB play or not he was voted young player of the year in Germany 2006 so on that basis he has pedigree.

OK at Spurs he has had a nightmare. this means nothing as his opportunities have been limited and the change of manager hasn't helped.

KPB or Quashie, it's KPB all the way as he's young and has something to prove.

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In the Birmingham Mail on Sat said although increasingly possible nothing was yet sorted because McLeish wants to speak to the lad first to make sure he wants to come and won't just fob it off. That was picked up by a few Sunday newspapers. I hope he comes because we desperately need a spark in the middle
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Sep 14 2008, 02:38 PM
whether we have seen KPB play or not he was voted young player of the year in Germany 2006 so on that basis he has pedigree.

OK at Spurs he has had a nightmare. this means nothing as his opportunities have been limited and the change of manager hasn't helped.

KPB or Quashie, it's KPB all the way as he's young and has something to prove.

Alex wants at least 2 weeks to review Nigel Quashie and his fitness....he missed the whole of last season due to a niggling foot injury

Just hope we can get KPB instead

I wouldn't want us to sign relegation fodder....Quashie woiuld be the Kiss Of Death "no"



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In the Birmingham Mail on Sat said although increasingly possible nothing was yet sorted because McLeish wants to speak to the lad first to make sure he wants to come and won't just fob it off. That was picked up by a few Sunday newspapers. I hope he comes because we desperately need a spark in the middle

fgs,how much longer do we need to assess someone.
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He obviously aint sure about his character and wants to speak to him. Nothing wrong in that. If the board actually released some money to spend then we wouldn't have all this faffing about in the first place. Eck would have spent on his first choices like Kitson or Roberts for example instead of having to settle for Bent. I say get Boateng or give Mutch a run.
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