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Alex Mcleish; The pros and cons
Topic Started: Sep 22 2008, 11:37 AM (948 Views)
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demood
Sep 24 2008, 10:51 PM
Well i have made my mind up get him out asap he is hopeles in my opinion. he couldn`t lace Brucies boots who is respected trough out the premier.

That's the route I,m starting to take, although it is probably that numpty Aitken that's leading me down there.

As for Brucie's respect, it is not only the Premiership where he commands it but with the tv and press pundits as well. I am sure all the footballing professionals cannot be wrong, and all these tunnel-visioned bluenoses are right.
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demood
Sep 22 2008, 05:20 PM
We have been awful since he took over in truth. I for one expected some improvment and that he would keep us up. But in my view we ended up worse and this season i cant belive how lucky we have been to get the points we got but we all know long term that was`nt going to last as it hasn`t. Sorry but AMc lacks lots of things for me and is hopeles in the transfer market too. I know this is not a Bruce V AMc post but like i have said when he took us down he couldn`t lace Brucie`s boots as far as i am concerned and he wern`t the best by far, but i am afraid we have gone backwards with Alex

Hopeless in the transfer market? so McFaddon and Carsley were poor buys? ive heard it all now :blink:
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McLeish rotates the squad to keep the fans on here happy.

Everybody needs to get a run-out otherwise we will be bombarded with threads saying 'why is'nt AM playing this player' or whatever.
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Sep 23 2008, 12:33 AM
Difficult to judge McLeish until he has been given an opportunity to bring in his own players. It is clear that this season he's had to rely largely on the existing squad, trimmed by a few players to generate wages so that he could bring in freebies and loanees.

I'm pretty certain that if he'd had a transfer budget to spend we would see another CD in the squad, as well as a creative midfielder. As for him getting rid of Palacious, De Ridder and Zarate, well, if the loss of their wages was the price to pay for keeping McFadden and Larsson, then I can see why he would make that choice.

I think that McLeish does know his best 11, but what he considers is 'best' changes depending upon the opposition. Where he is probably being hindered is that some of his key players have underperformed so far this year.

I disagree that McLeish is slow to react to opponents formations. In fact some of his substitutions have been inspired. Bringing on Phillips to score with his first touch against Sheff United, and doing the same against Southampton are two obvious examples. Less obvious were the changes against Doncaster where he was forced to cover for Nafti's dismissal yet fashioned a dogged performance to take three points.

Okay, we followed up our best 45 mnutes of the season, at Bristol City, with a poor display last Saturday. But that wasn't down to formation. We may have lined up at 4-5-1, but on the attack we were 4-4-2 and, eventually, 4-3-3. It is a formation that Chelsea use in their matches - and it seems to work well enough for them. But we had half a dozen players who were not at their best, to say the least. The reason we lost was down to the players, not to the manager.

I have no idea whether McLeish can deliver an inspirational dressing room talk. What I can say is that he has forged a team that he inherited, plus a few loanees and freebies, into a side that are likely to comfortably gain promotion this year. Look at their RESULTS, including in pre-season, and tell me that we are not going to win most of our home games and either win or draw most of our away games.

But like any team that has ever gained promotion from this league, there will be more than one poor performance, and more than one poor result. It is the nature of the league.

I would agree that we have yet to see the best of this side, but we will. We have a very good manager now. No, he may not be perfect, but considering the owners we have, I would say that we couldn't have hoped for anyone better. It's just a pity that those owners haven't given him any money to spend. Then we could judge him.

Great post, to early to judge, wait til he's had a full season with more of his own players.
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franscar
Sep 24 2008, 11:04 PM
alfred E nueman
Sep 24 2008, 08:12 PM
Getting a bit personal frans ?

Its not for everyone to deal with your points only - they aren't the Holy Grail.
People can address points that other people make surely? We can digress a little.??

I don't see anything wrong in the term brucie, I've seen much worse on here for goodness sake. Grow up frans matey.

I have no problem with people making their own points or addressing each others, but his post did neither. And it certainly isn't about my view being law and nobody elses mattering, Bluediver made a quality post on the first page even though it was more or less the polar opposite of how I have seen things, it was very well written and there wasn't a needless dig in sight. It's been a good discussion so far with people contributing a great deal, it doesn't need to descend into the sort of cheap jibes that so many others do.

But if someone comes along and merely suggests that any criticism of McLeish is "trivial" and doesn't offer any kind of reasoning behind it, well, surely one is entitled to ask for a bit more?

Funny that your post follows on from another post of the kind you are criticising. Condemaanation without explaining anything.

Why pick on Elvis, there are other posts just as pointless or low on the quality you think you've achieved.


So obviously that puts me in the pro-McCleish camp franscar. Feel free to castigate me as well because I can not offer any other view than that I think he is doing a better job, with less money than his predecessor ever had - a point not many people have made.

However franscar, reading your posts I notice that your criticisms of McCleish are to do with selection. I agree with Elvis again - trivial points.

Every person on this forum has their own view on how a team should line up, and 99.9% would probably be different. Your opinion versus McCleih's opinion hardly warrants an inquisition - however you choose to dress it up.

Be a good boy now and take chill pills.
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bluejan
Sep 26 2008, 02:03 PM
However franscar, reading your posts I notice that your criticisms of McCleish are to do with selection. I agree with Elvis again - trivial points.

My reservations are to do with team selection, formations, questionable decisions in the transfer market and the overall quality and passion of the sides he has put out on the field over the last twelve months.

So basically my reservations are to do with his ability to do the job he is being paid handsomely to do, which is far from "trivial". And there's no real need for the condescending remarks at the end there, is there?
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