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| rob | Jan 8 2010, 12:31 PM Post #251 |
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I'd personally like Babel to move to us, but I was chatting to my neighbour (Everton fan, but very knowledgable about football - local team manager, himm & both sons FA referees etc) and he thought it was a terrible idea. Doesn't rate him at all. On a slightly different subject, he had heard that Everton may be interested in Boyd. I mentioned why he didn't move to us last year (personal terms, ie money) & he reckoned that they may approach, but wouldn't pay him more than around £14 - 16k per week. I don't know what he thinks he's worth atm, but I'm sure that that is similar to what he turned down from us? :unsure: |
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| adamneaves | Jan 8 2010, 01:27 PM Post #252 |
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Just saw interview with Benitez on SSN. States that Babel had the choice whether to accept blues move and he said he wants to stay at liverpool NEXT |
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| the_garbage | Jan 8 2010, 01:44 PM Post #253 |
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that's not what his agent said, oh well, until it happens we will never know. |
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| adamneaves | Jan 8 2010, 02:00 PM Post #254 |
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I thought that too lol |
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| grumpyoldman100 | Jan 8 2010, 02:09 PM Post #255 |
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Alex Govan
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This article quotes his agent as saying that Babel wants to stay and fight for his place at Liverpool.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...cc=5739&cc=5739 |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 02:50 PM Post #256 |
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I dont think its so much Babel is not for Sale, its a case of Liverpool will only sell him for simular to what he cost them, they are in no rush to sell him as they see him as a sqaud player. Like how we would not really want to sell Fahey as although he dont start much he has his uses. Its not as if Babel is a surplus player like Bentley, Hutton, Bale and Pav are at Spurs. Or like say Jonty and Parnaby are here. As far as McGeady goes Celtic dont want to sell him like we wont want to sell McFadden but if a good offer comes they would sell but seems they want more than £10M and maybe only £12-15M would prise him away and i dont think he is worth that. |
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| kelv4blues | Jan 8 2010, 03:30 PM Post #257 |
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i personally would prefer victor moses if we can offer 3m plus gary mcsheffery then i think that would work moses is younger and is a better player i think can play in the same positions as well. him with jones, boyd, belhadj, michel and barnes for about 19m i will be happy. |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 03:42 PM Post #258 |
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I see things different. I would rather pay £10-11M for Babel, than £11M+ on Jones. You would rather pay £3M on Mosses than Babel, but thats your choice. As i would rather punt on £2-3M Beckford than £11M+ Jones, i honestly think Jones is not worth 4-5X what Beckford is. Beckford a risk £2-3M on the potential he could be a £6-7M player, well Beckford could be at least as good as Campbell was when Man Utd sold him. Now Jones £11M+ no way would he potentially be worth £15M in the future more chance of us paying £11M for a £7M player. Jones would be a bigger gamble than McSheffrey we signed him in the hope he has potential to be a £4-6M player (we paid £3-4M for) but he turned out to be a £1-2M rated player at best. Well i see Jones being only a £8M player in my eyes. |
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| gypsum fantastic | Jan 8 2010, 03:58 PM Post #259 |
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If Liverpool sign Maxi Rodriguez, do you reckon Babel would be more likely to head our way? |
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| MikaelForssell | Jan 8 2010, 04:11 PM Post #260 |
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What, not very good then? Beckford should already be in the Premiership if he is good enough, fact is, at 26, he isnt, and he's likely going to end up in the Prem next season with Newcastle, so he'll be getting his first chance in the Prem at 27. We need a proven goalscorer and strong target man to bring out the best of Jerome/Chucho etc... Jones, yeah he's not a prolific 25 goal a season man, but 10-15 is a fair target, and thats something we've lacked since Mikael Forssell was here. Nobody is worth £5m, yet alone £10m/£20m etc... but thats football nowadays, you have to pay the going rate for players if you want them. Lescott - £24m? Bentley - £15m? D.Bent (to Spurs) - £17m? Just a couple of inflated prices for players recently. If our board and management think its a good deal for the club, and wish to fund it, then who are we to argue over it? We're moving forwards together, lets just see where this takes us. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 8 2010, 04:17 PM Post #261 |
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if you want to play with the BIG BOYS then you need to pay BIG BOY transfer fees and wages |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 05:41 PM Post #262 |
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I see your point and i thought Beckford could be worth a punt as he is cheap. My point was get Babel and maybe wait untill Summer for other targets to become availible. I may have ben harsh on Jones... I guess i forgot about not how much a player is worh for ability but also what he means to a club and if Sunderland lost Jones, and Bent with noone else to replace them well it would be like us now with Benitez and Jerome out. Liverpool was linked with £12M move. Bent's form now if he could keep it for 2 seasons could command what £20M maybe more if you compare to Berbaflop. (good player but £31M nope). So if Bent could be potentially worth £20-25M, and he cost £10M plus addons upto £16M and Jones cost £6M. Then if Bent is now worth double the £10M they paid, then why cant jones be worth double what they paid. If Bent is worth £20-25M and has double the form this season of Jones then i guess Jones could be £10-12M End of the day McLeish i manager and he has got it right this season, he may have made mistakes before but maybe thats contraints of a budget. My concern was if Jones was not a prime target before, maybe we should wait and see who we can get and for less inflated prices in the summer. But if McLeish goes for Jones or whoever we must stick by him and no fan wants to see him fail and so i hope his signings who ever they are really turn out to be really good as they have done so far this season,. :Blues: |
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| Mr_Blue_Sky | Jan 8 2010, 07:25 PM Post #263 |
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Your theories are based on too much guess work, and valuations of players and player potential judged by yourself |
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| MikaelForssell | Jan 8 2010, 07:33 PM Post #264 |
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:applause: Sometimes Bear you seem to work yourself up with figures and values.... take a chill pill and see what happens, we dont want you exploding or something :LOL: Nobody outside of the respective football clubs can say how much a player is worth to them... as fans, we have our favourites here, like Roger Johnson for example, and we all say we wouldnt sell him/£20m for him/£30m for him etc... its all opinion and guess work. The club, well under the old board, wouldve sold him for probably £10m... double their money in 6 months, take it and run. Its up to the clubs to discuss a transfer, set valuations, and offer wages... leave it up to them and dont work yourself up trying to guess them mate :) |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 07:46 PM Post #265 |
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I have not said these are the players values :copno: I was just as you said guessing that on form of Bent now if he kept that up this season and next then if players like Tevez, Berbatov are not scoring as much then i GUESS why cant Bent be valued at over £20M Honestly players prices change a lot and some players can cost more than others but certainly be not as good as the price sugests. Anyone think Santa Cruz would be better on the side than a Defoe because Man City paid a lot more for Santa Cruz. I was saying i guess i can see their point in value of £12M on Jones. Bent cost Sunderland £10M that can rise to £16M with addons, this is not some figure i made up. Liverpool and Man Utd was linked before with £12M bids for Jones, this was in Media not just a sum i made up. With regards to Johnson we had someone say that Man Utd was interested and i just feel that even at £10-12M if any club came in at that, then he would be worth more to us than that. |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 07:53 PM Post #266 |
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Forsell i understand your point on Johnson that some fans said we wont sell him not for £20M, why maybe because Lescot cost £24M so Johnson must be worth as much. I dont think like that, my point with Johnson and any bids this or next season would be if we made £10M or £12M on him who do we sign as replacement, we could go the cheaper route to make cash on a another good buy/Gem like we did with Dann and Johnson but potential clubs with such players may hold out for more if they realise we could sell them on for much more. And other targets who would cost a fair amount would inflate. If we had a £12M bid for Johnson and we did sell, if McLeish then turned to Wheater again i am sure Boro would want more than £8M for him, and then a question comes would we prefer a Wheater and £2M or keep Johnson. I know which i would prefer. |
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| Mr_Blue_Sky | Jan 8 2010, 08:15 PM Post #267 |
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I werent having a go I was just pointing out that your posts go off on a tangent, with this one in particular involving what Bent could be worth in 2 seasons, and you say you dont guess but that first post involves you guessing Bent will be worth 20-25 mil ??? Its like every time a question arises about transfer info you try and cram as much transfer guess-work and estimations into one post as you can, even though this thread is about Babel, you are talking about Darren Bent? And im sure the fact that you plucked Wheater's name out of the air, gave him a price tag and then asked who the fans would prefer in comparison to RJ... That wasnt guess work either? (Re: the comment you made towards M.Forsell's post above) Like I said I werent making a dig just pointed out why it was hard to read some of your posts because there is not a hell of alot of fact or matter, just a lot of words like 'punt' and 'add-ons'... |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 08:22 PM Post #268 |
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Never thought you was having a Dig **thumbup Hope you thought i was not aswell. Yes i said it was guess work speculation based on if such a player had such a form = to others valued at so much etc... Kind of to Troll and take topic to off topic Sorry Guys :banghead: Anyway I dont mind paying what we was linked with players like Babel or Jones if we insure ourself so they are based on addons. But i guess with Yeung he wants stuff done, and so we may had joined those clubs like many Top Ones who if you like a player think they have potential just pay the asking price no flaffing about. And i guess £22M on Babel and Jones is not Silly paying for players really, compared to say the likes of Man City and Chelsea going over the top.
Not really and i gues yes in a way... i just used how when linked with Wheater before and McLeish never persued because the asking price of £8M and that if we did say sell Johnson for more than £10M that Boro would likely (but not FACT) knowing we got cash and made big cash on Johnson ask for a higher price for Wheater than was given for him when McLeish was linked. I was kind of trying to understand why Sunderland may have a high price on jones head and thats maybe because they have so few Strikers that they would need £11M+ for them to find a improvement over him. |
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| Mr_Blue_Sky | Jan 8 2010, 08:27 PM Post #269 |
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No need to say sorry mate, I werent having a dig... Its just that you have some real good context in your posts but sometimes I find it hard to keep track of all the points your making in just one post because theres too many little numbers and figures to reply to.. You seem to have a broad knowledge of players and some of your figures are accurate but sometimes they seem to drag-on and guess abit haha No offence meant by it though mate **thumbup |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 08:35 PM Post #270 |
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Thats me mate... I bable on and on, i can never seem to keep things sort simple and to the point **thumbup You can catch up on my autobiography i indend it to be 3 Parts like Lord of the Rings.... but knowing me it will end up never ending like Harry Potter :banghead: |
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| MikaelForssell | Jan 8 2010, 08:55 PM Post #271 |
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To get this back on topic... I must say that you do indeed BABEL on :P :LOL: |
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| Amuser | Jan 8 2010, 09:04 PM Post #272 |
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He'd be good in the dressing room, what with his aptitude for languages :ph43r: |
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| BrummieBear | Jan 8 2010, 09:04 PM Post #273 |
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Back to Topic..... I guess if we have cash to burn, and dont have to haggle i,e before we could target a £8M rated player but try and get them for £6M and miss out, i guess if Babel in our eyes is £8M and look at McLeish now able to pay £10M to secure a player for a change then why not. I think Babel could be usefull, Jones i rate but not sure £11M ok i dont know if we can judge how much he should be, but i did feel if we waited untill the Summer we may get more bang for our buck for £11M So Babel, Michel, Gardener would do. Another Striker and maybe either more cover for midfield or a LB would be a welcomed extra. |
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| Engleman | Jan 9 2010, 08:48 AM Post #274 |
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According to Mirror Football Alex Mc'Leish has uped his bid for Liverpool's Ryan Babel to £10m. I said he should sign him up for anything between £8m and £11.25m! In the source below there's also a brilliant sub-link report by Martin Lipton critisizing Rafa's terrible transfer policy in management at Anfield. Some good thoughts from Babel's agent as well, Mc'Leish could certainly recover the best out of this young dynamic star winger! **thumbup More facts here than Smoke I think! :applause: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Ryan-...icle279953.html KRO :Blues: |
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| 81ues | Jan 9 2010, 11:23 AM Post #275 |
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Look at the date... 6/1/10. three days ago. Things have changed. 81ues |
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