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Ryan Babel; Do not start a new thread.
Topic Started: Dec 29 2009, 12:04 PM (26,853 Views)
ohhhnurse
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bluenose69
Jan 5 2010, 12:41 PM
I dont understand how anyone can not rate Babbel, fair enough liverpool fans might not because in champions league games he has not lived up to their expectations but that is the champions league, if he was at a side like ours he would stick out like a sore thumb. He has far more ability than milner, n'zogbia, downing etc and is class. dont think beacuse he is not good enough for liverpool that he wouldnt be good enough for us.

They do not rate him in the prem and as for milner we would have to pay well over twice as much for himas babel if he became availabe. I know who I would have out of the 2 and it would not be from Liverpool.
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blueboy56
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They didn't rate Pennant either

...in fact who was the last succesful winger for Liverpool?

Seems Benitez doesn't know what to do with them
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Jan 5 2010, 10:16 AM
I would rather have Boyd - Bables done bu**er all at Liverpool and his off field behavior has hardly won him plaudits. Not a great goal record and what we need is a proven goal scorer!

Me also, why do Blues fans even think Babel is that good :blink: have they seen him play? he is not worth 5 million never mind 8 million.
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Jan 5 2010, 12:45 PM
They didn't rate Pennant either

...in fact who was the last succesful winger for Liverpool?

Seems Benitez doesn't know what to do with them

Penant spent most of his time on the bench for Liverpool and if he was that good why did they sell him.....Pennant was not rated by liverpool fans who quickley found out he could not cross a ball.
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Jan 5 2010, 01:47 PM
The_Bear
Jan 5 2010, 10:16 AM
I would rather have Boyd - Bables done bu**er all at Liverpool and his off field behavior has hardly won him plaudits.  Not a great goal record and what we need is a proven goal scorer!

Me also, why do Blues fans even think Babel is that good :blink: have they seen him play? he is not worth 5 million never mind 8 million.

People didn't want Bowyer here the first time round and look how he is doing. :)
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Jan 5 2010, 12:47 PM
The_Bear
Jan 5 2010, 10:16 AM
I would rather have Boyd - Bables done bu**er all at Liverpool and his off field behavior has hardly won him plaudits.  Not a great goal record and what we need is a proven goal scorer!

Me also, why do Blues fans even think Babel is that good :blink: have they seen him play? he is not worth 5 million never mind 8 million.

How can you judge a player whose only first team football is in cameo apperances of the bench, at Liverpool of all places?

The talent is there, it's just Liverpool and Ryan Babel don't match. Ronaldo wouldn't impress if all he got was 10 minutes ever other week.
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Would be a quality signing for us! It Really is quite baffling how benitez has used him, playing week in week out for us, his talent will become clear to see.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/2010/01/05/b...-bid-for-babel/

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Blues plan £8million bid for Babel

Birmingham City are understood to be preparing an £8million raid for Liverpool’s out-of-favour winger Ryan Babel.

A move for the Dutchman shows new owner Carson Yeung’s commitment in backing boss Alex McLeish, who has guided Blues to eighth in the Premier League after an unbeaten run of 11 games.

Yeung is ready to finance McLeish’s push for a Europa League place and has promised the manager £40million to spend this month.

Liverpool value the player at around £12million and are not expected to accept Blues’ first bid, but any knockback is unlikely to deter Yeung.

Babel, who signed for the Reds for £11.7million from Ajax in 2007, is unhappy with his lack of action at Anfield and could be persuaded to move, with his last start coming against Manchester City in November.

The wide man is Liverpool’s most saleable asset and, while manager Rafael Benitez wasn’t planning to sell the 23-year-old, the Reds boss will have to offload players to raise cash to buy in transfer window.

It would be a high profile capture and McLeish admits there could be a “marquee signing” – but only if it is beneficial to the team.

He said: “We won’t rule out a marquee signing, if there is someone out there who I think can make a huge difference to this team. We would try if we could but there has to be a cut off point.

“I don’t think there’s any point in bringing players who are not as good as what we have. You don’t progress doing that.”

McLeish is expected to renew his interest in Glasgow Rangers striker Kris Boyd, but faces competition from Championship club Middlesbrough. Boyd is out of contract at the end of the season and could be available for £1.5million. Boro boss Gordon Strachan reportedly held talks with the player’s agent on Sunday.

Blues have other irons in the fire, with McLeish expressing an interest in Wigan’s Charles N’Zogbia with a move for Sporting Gijon midfielder Michel is imminent.

Reports have also linked them with Schalke striker Kevin Kuranyi but the German international’s wages are believed to be too high.
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bluenose52
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Daily Mirror.

Liverpool have turned down Blues offer of £8million
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Jan 5 2010, 12:41 PM
I dont understand how anyone can not rate Babbel, fair enough liverpool fans might not because in champions league games he has not lived up to their expectations but that is the champions league, if he was at a side like ours he would stick out like a sore thumb. He has far more ability than milner, n'zogbia, downing etc and is class. dont think beacuse he is not good enough for liverpool that he wouldnt be good enough for us.

How well did Keane do at Liverpool....... exactlly and like Babel you cant say he really had the lions share of games.

would we jump to sign Keane for £8M you bet we would.

So Babel could well be worth a go for £8M not £11M though unless its based on addons.

Babel has a good scoring record but just because he has not done aswell at Liverpool does not make him a flop and he is usually played on the wings or/and off the bench for them.

I would say right now Babel has nearly as much pace as Jerome, not as powerfull but he has much better ball controll and can bring players into the game as he can pass and also cover on the wings where he gets more forwards than McFadden does.

So he would be a usefull option to play with either Benitez or Jerome up front or have him on the wings.

Also if we landed another Striker and a decent one be that target man or out and out goal scorer, then we could play 4,3,3 and have Babel, Benitez plus new Striker as a front 3 with Babel and Benitez playing wide to the main Striker.
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Liverpool are financial strapped so they'd be wanting a lot more from possible clubs in the European tournaments.
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Jan 5 2010, 01:49 PM
blueboy56
Jan 5 2010, 12:45 PM
They didn't rate Pennant either

...in fact who was the last succesful winger for Liverpool?

Seems Benitez doesn't know what to do with them

Penant spent most of his time on the bench for Liverpool and if he was that good why did they sell him.....Pennant was not rated by liverpool fans who quickley found out he could not cross a ball.

You've kind of backed up my point, Pennant hardly played - this was because Benitez doesn't know what to do with wingers

...and Pennant wasn't sold, his contract expired.

I can't think of a succesful winger under Benitez

Closest is Benayoun - who is barely a winger

Kewell struggled under him

Pennant, Zenden, Garcia???

He has to play Kuyt out there - ha hasn't got a clue when it comes to wingers

Mcleish will bring out Babels potential
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i think the main selling point for babel is his versatility.

Mcleish has said he wants to make 2 or 3 quality signings. I think this will be 3 or 4 by the end of january.

Babel can play on either wing or upfront, i think this appeals to mcliesh massiveley.

Michel looks like a cert.
Gardner is looking like its going to happen.

I reckon we have 2 more signings after these. and one will be a striker, and the other a winger. If he goes in for mcgeady i think Babel will be used as a striker, which is his natural position.

People say we're desperate for a striker but i disagree, we dont really create an awful lot, and i think mcleish wants more creativity in the team. Jerome and benitez have been fantastic so far, and with players like babel, mcgeady, michel (from what ive heard) i think our strikers will score alot more goals.

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Jan 5 2010, 01:05 PM
Daily Mirror.

Liverpool have turned down Blues offer of £8million

Well that is top offer anyway, really do not think he is worth 8 mill never mind 12 mill what they want.
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Jan 5 2010, 12:49 PM
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Jan 5 2010, 12:47 PM
The_Bear
Jan 5 2010, 10:16 AM
I would rather have Boyd - Bables done bu**er all at Liverpool and his off field behavior has hardly won him plaudits.  Not a great goal record and what we need is a proven goal scorer!

Me also, why do Blues fans even think Babel is that good :blink: have they seen him play? he is not worth 5 million never mind 8 million.

How can you judge a player whose only first team football is in cameo apperances of the bench, at Liverpool of all places?

The talent is there, it's just Liverpool and Ryan Babel don't match. Ronaldo wouldn't impress if all he got was 10 minutes ever other week.

All the doubters of Babel's skill as a striker who can play off both wings watch hime in the links below: :applause:

Benitez just won't play him! No wonder he gets pi**ed off! :banghead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGw6lgmYrzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmn2rTvIhD4&NR=1

I would love him at Blues @ at anything between 8 and 11 million! **thumbup

KRO
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BrummieBear
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Babel in effect gives us a better class version of Kapo/Quincy.


Liverpool say he is a very lazy player like we said about those pair but the reasons for that is they are all luxury players who need to be playing week in week out to keep happy and comited, i am sure if Babel was playing week in week out he would not be considered as lazy.

McLeish preffers players who track back though and Babel is not one of those but i guess he can afford to risk players like him now he has confidence in his central midfield and back four/keeper.
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Jan 5 2010, 01:37 PM
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Jan 5 2010, 12:49 PM
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Jan 5 2010, 12:47 PM
The_Bear
Jan 5 2010, 10:16 AM
I would rather have Boyd - Bables done bu**er all at Liverpool and his off field behavior has hardly won him plaudits.  Not a great goal record and what we need is a proven goal scorer!

Me also, why do Blues fans even think Babel is that good :blink: have they seen him play? he is not worth 5 million never mind 8 million.

How can you judge a player whose only first team football is in cameo apperances of the bench, at Liverpool of all places?

The talent is there, it's just Liverpool and Ryan Babel don't match. Ronaldo wouldn't impress if all he got was 10 minutes ever other week.

All the doubters of Babel's skill as a striker who can play off both wings watch hime in the links below: :applause:

Benitez just won't play him! No wonder he gets pi**ed off! :banghead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGw6lgmYrzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmn2rTvIhD4&NR=1

I would love him at Blues @ at anything between 8 and 11 million! **thumbup

KRO

utube :) utube makes Bent look good :LMAO:
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I've been doing a bit of digging in the Scouse forums, and it looks like this one might be drawn out through January. Most want rid of him, but they'll be looking for closer to £10 million for him. I can't see us shelling that out if we want McGeady as well.
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Newsnow are saying we bid £9million for him,which as been rejected
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He has potential thats for sure but if the player has not been making a hit sadly the club cant be asking for a large fee.

Pavlyuchenko Spurs still want £10M at least for him, he has not made a hit for them and its not other clubs faults they paid £14M for him, so i dont think they would get takers for more than £8M

Same goes for Babel.

Take Benitez if we had signed him and not loan, i.e if the medical went well, and we paid £6.25M that could rise to £9M

What if he shows no signs of improvement and replicates the 2nd part of the season like the first.

If we then wanted to sell him would we really be able to command £8M for him, i dont think we would.

I feel £8-9M is a fair price for Babel, yes he could flop again and be as good as a £6M player or he could reach his potential and be a £11-12M player.

I feel that as clubs know the budget McLeish has to play with they are going to try and make as much as possible.

If we was selling McFadden and Larsson and Promoted Forest (if promoted) was interested and was brought out by a Billionare who promised a £30M Warchest and Manager wanted 4-5 players, do you think we would expect to budge on prices for Faddy and Larsson no we would hold out for a lot more.

Take Jerome if we was to sell in Summer to Wolves say if they stayed up we may want £3-4M, but what if Newcastle bid and had £40M to spend we would want £6M or so instead.

I fear players agents have also got excited by Yeungs pledge hence Kuranyi wanting £130K a week.
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Jan 5 2010, 01:51 PM
Newsnow are saying we bid £9million for him,which as been rejected

Well thats a fair price the end of the day who else is going to offer them £10M.

So they end up keeping him and he may be even more unhappy and i dont think Liverpool have a big budget so they could say miss out on a target because they may be £3-4M short in which case Babels £8-9M would cover.

Oh well..... their loss :break:
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Clubs do not want to be humbled and shown to have made a mistake with transfers....so if Liverpool paid 14 million for babel they would want at least 11 million for him, 6 million is about what he is worth to be honest and worth a punt at that price.
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hold out for 11.5 they have the money, tell them,"pay the same we had and he is yours" i will drive him to birmingham myself, recoup the £

samtheman, london/ usa/ spain/ uea. around 15 minutes ago Babel was brought in to replace Kewell, he has done nothing, bring back Kewell he was much much better and would be cheap these days

Glen, Sydney around 22 minutes ago Liverpool should be accepting the bid for Babel. Too many opportunities have been wasted on a player who has consistently underperformed

Greg De Doncker, South Africa around 26 minutes ago Sell him to get some funds for a player that is interested to bleed for the club. Babel is not a fighter...

Robert, Norway around 28 minutes ago Babel had a great chance at Liverpool, but would rather rap than train. We should accept the next bid that comes in and get rid of him.
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Jan 5 2010, 02:58 PM
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hold out for 11.5 they have the money, tell them,"pay the same we had and he is yours" i will drive him to birmingham myself, recoup the £

samtheman, london/ usa/ spain/ uea. around 15 minutes ago Babel was brought in to replace Kewell, he has done nothing, bring back Kewell he was much much better and would be cheap these days

Glen, Sydney around 22 minutes ago Liverpool should be accepting the bid for Babel. Too many opportunities have been wasted on a player who has consistently underperformed

Greg De Doncker, South Africa around 26 minutes ago Sell him to get some funds for a player that is interested to bleed for the club. Babel is not a fighter...

Robert, Norway around 28 minutes ago Babel had a great chance at Liverpool, but would rather rap than train. We should accept the next bid that comes in and get rid of him.

Nice to see they're all real scousers!!

How many of those actually go to games, I wonder? ;)
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For what it's worth, I think we should give him a shot.

I for one would support him at every game I was able to attend.

he's quality, there is no doubt about it, i just think it's untapped at the moment. and what relaly appeals to me is his age, he has his best years ahead of him
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