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Eye Opener; about our useless strikers
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Topic Started: Feb 13 2010, 10:35 PM (709 Views)
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Feb 13 2010, 10:35 PM
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I have just been checking some statistics on the premier league and thought i would try to share some of them with you.
There have been many posts understandably outlining our strikers lack of goals this season, especially chucho. but i have just seen that chucho is our top 'assist' player with a measly 3, that is joint top with seb (another player that has been slated again today) and after that Carr with 2.
I am sat here wondering that if some of the other players made a better contribution supplying the goals, maby our strikers, especially chucho may score a few more himself?
So i just think that we need to consider the good things he does for our team and jerome aswell because looking at the stats, jerome is second top scorer with 5 and Chucho is the top assister with 3!!!
Well done today by the way blues and to all the fans there today, you were outstandiing!!!
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Feb 13 2010, 10:52 PM
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But Seb Larsson was dire again today ....and for about the third game running he has started so what is your problem ??
This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
I am one of the biggest fans of James McFadden on here and have been for 2 years or more but again he was frustratingly off the boil today
There's only so much inconsistency one supporter can take
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bobatov
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Feb 13 2010, 10:59 PM
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i know seb was shocking today and i aint tryin to dig at fans opinions i just wanted to know what people thought of what i had to say
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PartisanBCFC
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Feb 13 2010, 11:21 PM
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i know seb was shocking today and i aint tryin to dig at fans opinions i just wanted to know what people thought of what i had to say
Fair enough and TBH I'm not one who delves into Assists and "Opta Index" style statistics too oiften........Football is all about 11 players on the field plus the bench players that are used to supplement them for tactical or other reasons
The bottom line is look at the Premier League table as of today.......In the Top Ten every other cluib have scored way more goals than us.....and in the bottom half only basement dwellers Portsmouth, Wolves and Stoke have scored less......even Bolton have score five more and they are in 19th
It's clear scoring goals has been an issue for us all season long......Sorry but Benitez and Jerome have to take some of the heat at some point
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gene autry
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Feb 13 2010, 11:24 PM
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This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
This forum as you well know, is also open to people to express support and pleasure about players who have pulled on our shirt this season
Please direct me to all the threads that you have started in SUPPORT of ANY of those players.
Not the ones in your almanac, but the players who have sweated blood for us this season.
And I've had a request on your behalf parti.
The answer is NO !
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Feb 13 2010, 11:30 PM
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Anyone who watching us will tell you that if there are four passes leading up to a goal the chances are that Benitez is one of those. He has the ability to turn a game in our favor. He has suffered a form dip of late but he is low on confidence and was probably expecting additions to the strike force to take some pressure off him and to help him on the pitch.
we must remember, as bad as they are at scoring goals this was recognized by everyone at the club. I think Benitez will improve when add more quality strikers and the expectation shifts away fro him, jerome however will always be a nearly man.
Blues fans are the only fans that judge forwards and strikers by how much of a itch they cover during the game instead of how many goals they get us. Look at Jeromes goal scoring statistics there shocking to say the least and certainly didn't justify a 5 year contract. Im sure he is a nice lad put the blind faith shown in his footballing ability by some on here is embarrassing to say the least.
The thing with Larsson is that we know that he has the skills and is just on a poor run of form. Its the old phrase "For is temporary but class is permanent". We also know that we have quality cover for his position in Gardner & Fahey, we dont have that luxury up front thanks to Redknapp and Benitez!
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Feb 13 2010, 11:59 PM
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But Seb Larsson was dire again today ....and for about the third game running he has started so what is your problem ??
This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
I am one of the biggest fans of James McFadden on here and have been for 2 years or more but again he was frustratingly off the boil today
There's only so much inconsistency one supporter can take
put in a great corner for Scott's goal mind you. :D
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Feb 14 2010, 12:13 AM
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Anyone who watching us will tell you that if there are four passes leading up to a goal the chances are that Benitez is one of those. He has the ability to turn a game in our favor. He has suffered a form dip of late but he is low on confidence and was probably expecting additions to the strike force to take some pressure off him and to help him on the pitch.
we must remember, as bad as they are at scoring goals this was recognized by everyone at the club. I think Benitez will improve when add more quality strikers and the expectation shifts away fro him, jerome however will always be a nearly man.
Blues fans are the only fans that judge forwards and strikers by how much of a itch they cover during the game instead of how many goals they get us. Look at Jeromes goal scoring statistics there shocking to say the least and certainly didn't justify a 5 year contract. Im sure he is a nice lad put the blind faith shown in his footballing ability by some on here is embarrassing to say the least.
The thing with Larsson is that we know that he has the skills and is just on a poor run of form. Its the old phrase "For is temporary but class is permanent". We also know that we have quality cover for his position in Gardner & Fahey, we dont have that luxury up front thanks to Redknapp and Benitez!
ian, we scored two goals today, and two goals v wolves and zero goals v west ham.
That is 4 goals in the last 3 games.
Correct me if im wrong,but wernt the two goals today, and the two goals against wolves all scored after chucho was subbed off? **thumbup
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Feb 14 2010, 12:19 AM
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Goal machine Rickie Lambert - another goal today against Prem opposition. 23 for season. Southampton paid a million for him. :whistle:
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Feb 14 2010, 12:24 AM
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I am sat here wondering that if some of the other players made a better contribution supplying the goals, maby our strikers, especially chucho may score a few more himself?
I'm sorry but if our 2 strikers had a better first touch, better eye for the right pass, control without falling over and better shot percentage then we would have more goals. What ever they may add to the team should come along with goals also.
I really think our defence and midfield is let down by having there hard work creating chances missed by our strikers.
If we had 2 decent strikers who knew where the goal was we would be having an even better season than we are havin at the moment.
Look at Phillips, that is a striker, you give him the ball in the box and gets a shot in or scores. The rest of the players in the team dont start creating more when Phillips comes on, he gets the same service. :break:
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Feb 14 2010, 02:24 AM
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This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
This forum as you well know, is also open to people to express support and pleasure about players who have pulled on our shirt this season Please direct me to all the threads that you have started in SUPPORT of ANY of those players. Not the ones in your almanac, but the players who have sweated blood for us this season. And I've had a request on your behalf parti. The answer is NO !
Futile attempt at winding me up , gene.......I'm surprised it's even you wading into me with all this hogwash about slagging off our players
But per your request ALL threads started by yours truly this season
RJ http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59903&hl=
Vignal and Murphy and even a compliment on Ridgewell http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59389&hl=
Lee Bowyer......a player I have supported and religously defended against abuse since he signed for BCFC http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=
Stephen Carr, Lee Bowyer and Barry Ferguson http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=
I've been pretty sparing with compliments for Scott Dann, Joe Hart, Keith Fahey and Kevin Phillips as well plus I was well and truly behind the signings of Michel and Gardner (No stupid ex Villa player anecdotes from this household)
I've also rated McSheffrey and Jonty as well .....the only other players I've had a go at in recent months were
Tainio - Not a bad performer but I feel we can sign better quality.....poor injury record as proven right now
O'Connor - Glimpes of shooting prowess but will never ever be a PL quality striker in a million light years.....no pace and no good in the air
Queudrue - Awesome in the CCC but as far as this level goes will be found wanting against pacy wingers, Championship standard at best considering he's 30 now, could even play a useful midfield role at that level
Bent - More mickey take than anything......who hasn't had a go at him on here ?? But at least I praised him and thanked him for some of his displays in the Championship promotion season last year
Parnaby - I don't think I've ever said a bad word against this player....He's impressed when he hasn't been injured
So I've been critical of the performances of McFadds, Larsson, Jerome and Bentiez of late and now you can call me a 'Knocker'
Un ******* believable.......What can I say ??
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Feb 14 2010, 02:25 AM
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This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
This forum as you well know, is also open to people to express support and pleasure about players who have pulled on our shirt this season Please direct me to all the threads that you have started in SUPPORT of ANY of those players. Not the ones in your almanac, but the players who have sweated blood for us this season. And I've had a request on your behalf parti. The answer is NO !
Futile attempt at winding me up , gene.......I'm surprised it's even you wading into me with all this hogwash about slagging off our players RJ http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59903&hl=Vignal and Murphy and even a compliment on Ridgewell http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59389&hl=Lee Bowyer......a player I have supported and religously defended against abuse since he signed for BCFC http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=Stephen Carr, Lee Bowyer and Barry Ferguson http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=I've been pretty sparing with compliments for Scott Dann, Joe Hart, Keith Fahey and Kevin Phillips as well plus I was well and truly behind the signings of Michel and Gardner (No stupid ex Villa player annecdotes from this household) I've also rated McSheffrey and Jonty as well .....the only other players I've had a go at in recent months were Tainio - Not a bad performer but I feel we can sign better quality.....poor injury record as proven right now O'Connor - Glimpes of shooting prowess but will never ever be a PL quality striker in a million light years.....no pace and no good in the air Queudrue - Awesome in the CCC but as far as this level goes will be found wanting against pacy wingers, Championship standard at best considering he's 30 now, could even play a useful midfield role at that level Bent - More mickey take than anything......who hasn't had a go at him on here ?? But at least I praised him and thanked him for some of his displays in the Championship promotion season last year Parnaby - I don't think I've ever said a bad word against this player....He's impressed when he hasn't been injured So I've been critical of the performances of McFadds, Larsson, Jerome and Bentiez of late and now you can call me a 'Knocker' Un ******* believable.......What can I say ??
Shhh Parti... you knocker :P :LOL:
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Feb 14 2010, 02:28 AM
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Anyone who watching us will tell you that if there are four passes leading up to a goal the chances are that Benitez is one of those. He has the ability to turn a game in our favor. He has suffered a form dip of late but he is low on confidence and was probably expecting additions to the strike force to take some pressure off him and to help him on the pitch.
we must remember, as bad as they are at scoring goals this was recognized by everyone at the club. I think Benitez will improve when add more quality strikers and the expectation shifts away fro him, jerome however will always be a nearly man.
Blues fans are the only fans that judge forwards and strikers by how much of a itch they cover during the game instead of how many goals they get us. Look at Jeromes goal scoring statistics there shocking to say the least and certainly didn't justify a 5 year contract. Im sure he is a nice lad put the blind faith shown in his footballing ability by some on here is embarrassing to say the least.
The thing with Larsson is that we know that he has the skills and is just on a poor run of form. Its the old phrase "For is temporary but class is permanent". We also know that we have quality cover for his position in Gardner & Fahey, we dont have that luxury up front thanks to Redknapp and Benitez!
ian, we scored two goals today, and two goals v wolves and zero goals v west ham. That is 4 goals in the last 3 games. Correct me if im wrong,but wernt the two goals today, and the two goals against wolves all scored after chucho was subbed off? **thumbup
After he's ran at the defenders, tired them out a bit, and occupied them most of the game, then to have a different type of player come on in Phillips... then yeah.
If your trying to discredit Chucho from things because we've simply scored goals without him on the pitch then I think thats a bit unfair to be fair.
The big one was West Ham IMO. It stood out that we miss Benitez when he doesnt play, and that Phillips isnt a starting striker for us, and is an impact sub to exploit tired (physically and mentally) defenders after being ran at by Jerome/Benitez.
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Anyone who watching us will tell you that if there are four passes leading up to a goal the chances are that Benitez is one of those. He has the ability to turn a game in our favor. He has suffered a form dip of late but he is low on confidence and was probably expecting additions to the strike force to take some pressure off him and to help him on the pitch.
we must remember, as bad as they are at scoring goals this was recognized by everyone at the club. I think Benitez will improve when add more quality strikers and the expectation shifts away fro him, jerome however will always be a nearly man.
Blues fans are the only fans that judge forwards and strikers by how much of a itch they cover during the game instead of how many goals they get us. Look at Jeromes goal scoring statistics there shocking to say the least and certainly didn't justify a 5 year contract. Im sure he is a nice lad put the blind faith shown in his footballing ability by some on here is embarrassing to say the least.
The thing with Larsson is that we know that he has the skills and is just on a poor run of form. Its the old phrase "For is temporary but class is permanent". We also know that we have quality cover for his position in Gardner & Fahey, we dont have that luxury up front thanks to Redknapp and Benitez!
ian, we scored two goals today, and two goals v wolves and zero goals v west ham. That is 4 goals in the last 3 games. Correct me if im wrong,but wernt the two goals today, and the two goals against wolves all scored after chucho was subbed off? **thumbup
After he's ran at the defenders, tired them out a bit, and occupied them most of the game, then to have a different type of player come on in Phillips... then yeah. If your trying to discredit Chucho from things because we've simply scored goals without him on the pitch then I think thats a bit unfair to be fair. The big one was West Ham IMO. It stood out that we miss Benitez when he doesnt play, and that Phillips isnt a starting striker for us, and is an impact sub to exploit tired (physically and mentally) defenders after being ran at by Jerome/Benitez.
I agree with that.
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This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
This forum as you well know, is also open to people to express support and pleasure about players who have pulled on our shirt this season Please direct me to all the threads that you have started in SUPPORT of ANY of those players. Not the ones in your almanac, but the players who have sweated blood for us this season. And I've had a request on your behalf parti. The answer is NO !
Futile attempt at winding me up , gene.......I'm surprised it's even you wading into me with all this hogwash about slagging off our players RJ http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59903&hl=Vignal and Murphy and even a compliment on Ridgewell http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59389&hl=Lee Bowyer......a player I have supported and religously defended against abuse since he signed for BCFC http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=Stephen Carr, Lee Bowyer and Barry Ferguson http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=I've been pretty sparing with compliments for Scott Dann, Joe Hart, Keith Fahey and Kevin Phillips as well plus I was well and truly behind the signings of Michel and Gardner (No stupid ex Villa player annecdotes from this household) I've also rated McSheffrey and Jonty as well .....the only other players I've had a go at in recent months were Tainio - Not a bad performer but I feel we can sign better quality.....poor injury record as proven right now O'Connor - Glimpes of shooting prowess but will never ever be a PL quality striker in a million light years.....no pace and no good in the air Queudrue - Awesome in the CCC but as far as this level goes will be found wanting against pacy wingers, Championship standard at best considering he's 30 now, could even play a useful midfield role at that level Bent - More mickey take than anything......who hasn't had a go at him on here ?? But at least I praised him and thanked him for some of his displays in the Championship promotion season last year Parnaby - I don't think I've ever said a bad word against this player....He's impressed when he hasn't been injured So I've been critical of the performances of McFadds, Larsson, Jerome and Bentiez of late and now you can call me a 'Knocker' Un ******* believable.......What can I say ??
Shhh Parti... you knocker :P :LOL:
Partisan, you like posting pictures.
Answer mikaelforsell with a pair. :D
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This Forum is open for people who have a right to moan or highlight the shortcomings of this player or that player, even when everything else seems Hunky Dory
This forum as you well know, is also open to people to express support and pleasure about players who have pulled on our shirt this season Please direct me to all the threads that you have started in SUPPORT of ANY of those players. Not the ones in your almanac, but the players who have sweated blood for us this season. And I've had a request on your behalf parti. The answer is NO !
Futile attempt at winding me up , gene.......I'm surprised it's even you wading into me with all this hogwash about slagging off our players RJ http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59903&hl=Vignal and Murphy and even a compliment on Ridgewell http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59389&hl=Lee Bowyer......a player I have supported and religously defended against abuse since he signed for BCFC http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=Stephen Carr, Lee Bowyer and Barry Ferguson http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58864&hl=I've been pretty sparing with compliments for Scott Dann, Joe Hart, Keith Fahey and Kevin Phillips as well plus I was well and truly behind the signings of Michel and Gardner (No stupid ex Villa player annecdotes from this household) I've also rated McSheffrey and Jonty as well .....the only other players I've had a go at in recent months were Tainio - Not a bad performer but I feel we can sign better quality.....poor injury record as proven right now O'Connor - Glimpes of shooting prowess but will never ever be a PL quality striker in a million light years.....no pace and no good in the air Queudrue - Awesome in the CCC but as far as this level goes will be found wanting against pacy wingers, Championship standard at best considering he's 30 now, could even play a useful midfield role at that level Bent - More mickey take than anything......who hasn't had a go at him on here ?? But at least I praised him and thanked him for some of his displays in the Championship promotion season last year Parnaby - I don't think I've ever said a bad word against this player....He's impressed when he hasn't been injured So I've been critical of the performances of McFadds, Larsson, Jerome and Bentiez of late and now you can call me a 'Knocker' Un ******* believable.......What can I say ??
Shhh Parti... you knocker :P :LOL:
Partisan, you like posting pictures. Answer mikaelforsell with a pair. :D
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I am sat here wondering that if some of the other players made a better contribution supplying the goals, maby our strikers, especially chucho may score a few more himself?
In all fairness, it's not as if both Chucho and Jerome haven't had any chances.
They either hit the shot straight at the keeper, or tend to miss the target.
Jerome is more guilty of misses than Chucho, but really, some of Chucho's efforts are very weak.
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I am sat here wondering that if some of the other players made a better contribution supplying the goals, maby our strikers, especially chucho may score a few more himself?
In all fairness, it's not as if both Chucho and Jerome haven't had any chances. They either hit the shot straight at the keeper, or tend to miss the target. Jerome is more guilty of misses than Chucho, but really, some of Chucho's efforts are very weak.
Trevor Francis once said he always aimed for the post,most the time it would be just inside,ofton well out of the reach of the Keeper. Our two however just hit them straight down the keeper throat,look at poor old Cammy on Sat, a great move by Seb and Chucho,throught to Cammy, good work by him to get there then bang! too close too the Keeper with a masive hole to the right side...... should have aimed for the post.........just like Trevor
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Whilst I think BCFC's current strikers are of limited ability it would be remiss of me not to take into account an array of contributary factors when evaluating their performances to date.
Without being too long winded and breaking a habbit I am reluctant to let go of, when looking for the strikers shortcommings which at first glance through stats, appear apparent I would be inclined to ask the following questions and consider the following points before being critical
What part does the supply ie midfield play in the lack of goals, poor supply from midfield & wings equates to few chances and even fewer goals.
Stats. do not always show the wider picture ie running off the ball to create space & opportunities for others just one obvious failing when holding too much weight to the numbers game.
Strikers tend to score more regularly if a good partnership can be struck up with another striker so could this be something AM has to address as I cannot see any obvious effective combination where one intuatively knows where the other is running to or will be, attributes effective partnerships in very good teams possess.
It may be more helpful to ask how Chucho & Benitez would cope in a more high profile club with the Giggs Ronaldo type player providing exquisite service, chances are they'd fair pretty well, good attacking forces begin further back.
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- Feb 14 2010, 11:58 PM
It may be more helpful to ask how Chucho & Benitez would cope in a more high profile club with the Giggs Ronaldo type player providing exquisite service, chances are they'd fair pretty well, good attacking forces begin further back.
Schizophrenia eh? :LOL:
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Feb 15 2010, 08:50 AM
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- MikaelForssell
- Feb 14 2010, 02:28 AM
- pooley
- Feb 14 2010, 12:13 AM
- Ian
- Feb 13 2010, 11:30 PM
Anyone who watching us will tell you that if there are four passes leading up to a goal the chances are that Benitez is one of those. He has the ability to turn a game in our favor. He has suffered a form dip of late but he is low on confidence and was probably expecting additions to the strike force to take some pressure off him and to help him on the pitch.
we must remember, as bad as they are at scoring goals this was recognized by everyone at the club. I think Benitez will improve when add more quality strikers and the expectation shifts away fro him, jerome however will always be a nearly man.
Blues fans are the only fans that judge forwards and strikers by how much of a itch they cover during the game instead of how many goals they get us. Look at Jeromes goal scoring statistics there shocking to say the least and certainly didn't justify a 5 year contract. Im sure he is a nice lad put the blind faith shown in his footballing ability by some on here is embarrassing to say the least.
The thing with Larsson is that we know that he has the skills and is just on a poor run of form. Its the old phrase "For is temporary but class is permanent". We also know that we have quality cover for his position in Gardner & Fahey, we dont have that luxury up front thanks to Redknapp and Benitez!
ian, we scored two goals today, and two goals v wolves and zero goals v west ham. That is 4 goals in the last 3 games. Correct me if im wrong,but wernt the two goals today, and the two goals against wolves all scored after chucho was subbed off? **thumbup
After he's ran at the defenders, tired them out a bit, and occupied them most of the game, then to have a different type of player come on in Phillips... then yeah. If your trying to discredit Chucho from things because we've simply scored goals without him on the pitch then I think thats a bit unfair to be fair. The big one was West Ham IMO. It stood out that we miss Benitez when he doesnt play, and that Phillips isnt a starting striker for us, and is an impact sub to exploit tired (physically and mentally) defenders after being ran at by Jerome/Benitez.
I was just on a bit of a wind up with ian to be fair **thumbup
I went :fishing: but come home empty handed
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Feb 15 2010, 11:41 AM
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- robert capa
- Feb 14 2010, 12:24 AM
I'm sorry but if our 2 strikers had a better first touch, better eye for the right pass, control without falling over and better shot percentage then we would have more goals.
[/QUOTE] Then they'd be called drogba or torres. and how long would we be able to hang on to them for?
This Jermoe / Chucho not good enough thing, is ridiculous. We are Birmingham City. We are not going to get 20 goal a season men down to St Andrews. Bigger and better clubs than ours are searching for them elusive commodities.
If Kevin Phillips were 10 years younger, would he be here?
We are just not going to get the finished article, in his prime down here. There will always be one reason or another, but, they dont arrive.(look at the transfer window)
We have to get a Jerome / Benitez and try to improve them. Yes they are going to be hit and miss, buts thats why there here and not Arsenal. We use their strengths for the good of the team. They force teams back towards their own goal. Allowing our midfield to take a grip of the game.
Look at Man City. They have a wealth of talent up front, but dont play as a unit.
We do, and Jermoe and Benitez are integral to that.
Maybe our support would help the improvement process. I'm damn sure derision don't help.
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