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Pl Consider 'play-offs'?; Open up the 4th spot to others
Topic Started: Feb 15 2010, 05:38 PM (725 Views)
Mojito
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5950993,00.html

I think this is a great idea, we'd be one place short of competing for the play-offs! Only the top 3 would go through automatically and then the next 4-7 places go into a play-off for the final spot.

It would certainly keep the season alive for those teams that never break into the top 4 but are miles ahead of the relegation pack each year. And, it would shake up 'the big 4' if one of their places had to be fought for.

Knowing our luck, they'll introduce the concept, Blues will finish 4th in the league and then miss out in the play-offs :) Joking aside, does anyone see a downside to this, I think it's the only way to make the top half of the table interesting.

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Luseth
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I am with you on this one, would make it much more interesting though you could argue that it would still be the same teams up there with the exception of the 7th place?

Man u
chelsea
man city
liverpool
tottenham
Arsenal

With everyone else fighting for that last place :D
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Jabber BCFC
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Surely this would help Villa more than us in the present?

But I think it could be a good idea. In the next 5 years we could be looking at a top 7 spot, and we all know what happened in the last play-off's we were in.

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I think its pointless and wont ever happen.

The league is decided on 38 games... relegation is decided on 38 games, and European slots are decided on 38 games.

Why have a 38 game season to finish in the top 4, then lose out to a side who havent gotten into the top 4 over 38 games, in a little play off?

It just adds more fixtures to the season, when managers complain as it is about the amount of games played, anyway.

If it aint broke, dont fix it... this season's league is the most open its ever been, so why change?
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Mojito
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It would affect the bottom of the league as well. How many times have teams in higher positons fielded weakened sides against teams trying to avoid relegation. It would mean more teams with something to play for as the final weeks draw in, so it would affect more than just the top 7.
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Seems like a good idea, may break down the big4 cartel. Though that seems to be cracking anyway. With Liverpool in shed loads of debt, and Man U & arsenal & Romans money keeping Chelsea afloat.

Man City, Spurs, Everton & the sh*te will move closer to the top four & hopefully shake up the top, as TBH it's boring as hell year on year.

Would be worth considering a 4th place finish versus FA Cup winners (should the team not already be one of top4. A spot in CL would add value to the FA Cup again.



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Feb 15 2010, 05:44 PM
I think its pointless and wont ever happen.

The league is decided on 38 games... relegation is decided on 38 games, and European slots are decided on 38 games.

Why have a 38 game season to finish in the top 4, then lose out to a side who havent gotten into the top 4 over 38 games, in a little play off?

It just adds more fixtures to the season, when managers complain as it is about the amount of games played, anyway.

If it aint broke, dont fix it... this season's league is the most open its ever been, so why change?

You could argue the same for the Championship, league is played over 46 games but the 3rd promotion spot is from the play offs and it works well there.
Im all for it great idea
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Totally against this idea. Firstly, it would devalue the 'Champions' League even further. Last season Fulham, in 7th, finished 37 points below top spot, and 19 points below 4th. They've hardly earned the right to compete in a 'Champions' league qualifier.

Secondly, this is aimed at protecting the 'big 4'. Supposing Liverpool or Arsenal were to find themselves outside of the top four, it would give them a second bite at the cherry of getting into the Champions League.

Finally, this is just another money spinner for the bigger clubs. Teams in with a shout of finishing in 5th/6th/7th will be tempted to over-spend in January in the hope that it might see them finishing in a Champions League qualifier position, and potentially the Champions League. Players who are surplus to requirement and who are with bigger clubs will see their value rocket as their clubs attempt to make even more money from their sale. How much would a Ryan Babel or Pav have been valued at if their club's had thought that Birmingham were desperate for that sort of quality to secure them the 7th spot?. Buying players in January, which is already expensive, would become even more costly as mid-table clubs compete with each other to secure their services.

A rotten idea, particularly for this to be suggested during a time when a Premier League club could be going out of business due to debts and financial mismanagement arising from their over-ambition.
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Feb 15 2010, 05:44 PM
, and we all know what happened in the last play-off's we were in.

uhhh, we won on penalties ;)
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Feb 15 2010, 06:03 PM
Totally against this idea. Firstly, it would devalue the 'Champions' League even further. Last season Fulham, in 7th, finished 37 points below top spot, and 19 points below 4th. They've hardly earned the right to compete in a 'Champions' league qualifier.

Secondly, this is aimed at protecting the 'big 4'. Supposing Liverpool or Arsenal were to find themselves outside of the top four, it would give them a second bite at the cherry of getting into the Champions League.

Finally, this is just another money spinner for the bigger clubs. Teams in with a shout of finishing in 5th/6th/7th will be tempted to over-spend in January in the hope that it might see them finishing in a Champions League qualifier position, and potentially the Champions League. Players who are surplus to requirement and who are with bigger clubs will see their value rocket as their clubs attempt to make even more money from their sale. How much would a Ryan Babel or Pav have been valued at if their club's had thought that Birmingham were desperate for that sort of quality to secure them the 7th spot?. Buying players in January, which is already expensive, would become even more costly as mid-table clubs compete with each other to secure their services.

A rotten idea, particularly for this to be suggested during a time when a Premier League club could be going out of business due to debts and financial mismanagement arising from their over-ambition.

Agreed.
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There's been a Poll up about this from this afternoon.

What has this got to do with Blues Chat
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http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=60093
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The PL have got it all wrong again


There was nothing wrong with the old European competiton formats

The European Champions Cup (the real name of the CL trophy) is supposed to be played for amongst the champions of each European country and should be a knockout tourno although it would be more feasible to seed teams from England, Italy, Spain, Holland, Germnay, France, Portugal and Russia to make it more interesting in the later stages ......the man who invented this great trophy would never have imagined in a million years that it would be contested by teams finishing 3rd or 4th in their respective domestic leagues......it is ridiculous

Bring back the European Cup Winners Cup and throw an extra team in there as well ......Carling Cup winners or League Cup winners from other countries.....if there is no League Cup in that particular country then select the team finishing runners up in their League.......if one team does the League and Cup double the same season then the FA Cup Finalist enters The CWC just as it was before

Change this futile and daft Europa League back to the UEFA Cup and simply select the next three teams in the League......in the case of England then runners up, 3rd and 4th.......if a 2nd , 3rd or 4th placed team have already qualified for the Cup Winners Cup then select the next best placed team and so on

It is so simple it is untrue


European football is dying .......no-one (especially neutrals) is really interested until the quarter finals anyway

All three Cups should be knock out

Avoids a lot of fixture congestion as well
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Feb 15 2010, 06:03 PM
Totally against this idea. Firstly, it would devalue the 'Champions' League even further. Last season Fulham, in 7th, finished 37 points below top spot, and 19 points below 4th. They've hardly earned the right to compete in a 'Champions' league qualifier.

Secondly, this is aimed at protecting the 'big 4'. Supposing Liverpool or Arsenal were to find themselves outside of the top four, it would give them a second bite at the cherry of getting into the Champions League.

Finally, this is just another money spinner for the bigger clubs. Teams in with a shout of finishing in 5th/6th/7th will be tempted to over-spend in January in the hope that it might see them finishing in a Champions League qualifier position, and potentially the Champions League. Players who are surplus to requirement and who are with bigger clubs will see their value rocket as their clubs attempt to make even more money from their sale. How much would a Ryan Babel or Pav have been valued at if their club's had thought that Birmingham were desperate for that sort of quality to secure them the 7th spot?. Buying players in January, which is already expensive, would become even more costly as mid-table clubs compete with each other to secure their services.

A rotten idea, particularly for this to be suggested during a time when a Premier League club could be going out of business due to debts and financial mismanagement arising from their over-ambition.

Spot on Bluediver... couldn't agree more! **thumbup
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Not the stupidest suggestion they've ever debated, but it'd take some going to beat Gartsides proposals. I can't see this actually happening at the minute though, need to work out when to fit the fixtures in and a few other complications, might make it more interesting, might just drag out the inevitable top four.
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SHA007
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What a bad idea and how contradictary too.

Contradictory? - the clubs, especially the bigger ones, already moan about too many games. Now we want to add up to 3 more for two of them and two more for the other two.

Bad idea? - the FA Cup is already dieing, now we bring in play-offs to outdo the Cup Final at the end of the season.

Bad idea? - already the season is too long on Euro and World Cup years and now we want to lengthen it for those teams with England players in it.

It is a selfish, selfish idea from the Premier League.
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Their problem could be solved by going back to 22 teams in the PL.
That will give them an extra half dozen games. :LMAO:

Four Up Four Down would help the Championship as well.

One worry is that if they sell the play-off format to the FA, and have the Play-offs at Wembley, they will get brownie points from everyone. Extra income for Wembley, as well as the clubs.
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tony123
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It's an excellent idea for maintaining interest and means other clubs than the normal 4 have an outside chance of getting into Europe and European money.
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Feb 15 2010, 06:44 PM
I think its pointless and wont ever happen.

The league is decided on 38 games... relegation is decided on 38 games, and European slots are decided on 38 games.

Why have a 38 game season to finish in the top 4, then lose out to a side who havent gotten into the top 4 over 38 games, in a little play off?

It just adds more fixtures to the season, when managers complain as it is about the amount of games played, anyway.

If it aint broke, dont fix it... this season's league is the most open its ever been, so why change?

I agree with all you say. I think as a nation i dont want our entries to come from the potentially 7th place :blink:

I couldnt imagine battling hard all season to earn 4th then 7th getting the spot :angry: :crying:
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Total rubbish idea, same as the playoffs in the Championship which for me is a joke and just a media spin on making money. If you finish 4th in the prem or 3rd in the Championship you should get the rewards for that. To finish 4th in the Prem is one hell of an achievement now your saying with say 1 or 2 bad games after 38 good ones you could lose out on the major prize, sorry it just isn't fair.
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They do it in Holland & it keeps the season going for a number of sides.
I personally feel that it should be the Champions only from each country along with the Cup winners from the previous season, but a team who finish 5th-7th in their domestic league have as much right to play in the Champions League as a team who finishes 4th.
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Great idea in my opinion.

Champions are champions, but there's often very little between the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th placed teams. Would give a lot of interest at the end of the season - has been brilliant in the Championship and the Premier League would benefit from such a scheme.

2010/11 Season...

01 | Man Utd
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02 | Chelsea
03 | Man City
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04 | Arsenal
05 | Liverpool
06 | Tottenham
07 | Blues
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08 | Aston Villa

?????????

**thumbup
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SHA007
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Feb 17 2010, 12:36 PM
Great idea in my opinion.


Why?

So many on here are two-faced.

On the one hand they are clutching at straws trying to talk-up the FA Cup as a still great competition, on the otherhand they want playoffs so as to undermine the Cup Final.


If only the play-offs were brought in at the start of this season. Everyone would be getting an even bigger chip on their shoulders because Spurs and Liverpool would be getting all the coverage for their playoff and Blues would be getting hardly anything for the Cup Final build-up.

The play-offs are just another greedy Scudamore idea. He doesn't care a ***** about the fans.

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This will not happen for sometime, if at all. The rules of the competition:

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/co...rmat/index.html

all talk about the sides finishing in the top four places in each country - no mention of teams finishing lower. It therefor stands to reason that the PL will have a lot of work to do to convince UEFA to change their qualification rules.

This year, next year, sometime, NEVER !
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Feb 15 2010, 08:04 PM
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Feb 15 2010, 06:03 PM
Totally against this idea. Firstly, it would devalue the 'Champions' League even further. Last season Fulham, in 7th, finished 37 points below top spot, and 19 points below 4th. They've hardly earned the right to compete in a 'Champions' league qualifier.

Secondly, this is aimed at protecting the 'big 4'. Supposing Liverpool or Arsenal were to find themselves outside of the top four, it would give them a second bite at the cherry of getting into the Champions League.

Finally, this is just another money spinner for the bigger clubs. Teams in with a shout of finishing in 5th/6th/7th will be tempted to over-spend in January in the hope that it might see them finishing in a Champions League qualifier position, and potentially the Champions League. Players who are surplus to requirement and who are with bigger clubs will see their value rocket as their clubs attempt to make even more money from their sale. How much would a Ryan Babel or Pav have been valued at if their club's had thought that Birmingham were desperate for that sort of quality to secure them the 7th spot?. Buying players in January, which is already expensive, would become even more costly as mid-table clubs compete with each other to secure their services.

A rotten idea, particularly for this to be suggested during a time when a Premier League club could be going out of business due to debts and financial mismanagement arising from their over-ambition.

Agreed.

agreed as well
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Blooboy
Feb 17 2010, 04:48 PM
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Feb 15 2010, 08:04 PM
Bluediver
Feb 15 2010, 06:03 PM
Totally against this idea. Firstly, it would devalue the 'Champions' League even further. Last season Fulham, in 7th, finished 37 points below top spot, and 19 points below 4th. They've hardly earned the right to compete in a 'Champions' league qualifier.

Secondly, this is aimed at protecting the 'big 4'. Supposing Liverpool or Arsenal were to find themselves outside of the top four, it would give them a second bite at the cherry of getting into the Champions League.

Finally, this is just another money spinner for the bigger clubs. Teams in with a shout of finishing in 5th/6th/7th will be tempted to over-spend in January in the hope that it might see them finishing in a Champions League qualifier position, and potentially the Champions League. Players who are surplus to requirement and who are with bigger clubs will see their value rocket as their clubs attempt to make even more money from their sale. How much would a Ryan Babel or Pav have been valued at if their club's had thought that Birmingham were desperate for that sort of quality to secure them the 7th spot?. Buying players in January, which is already expensive, would become even more costly as mid-table clubs compete with each other to secure their services.

A rotten idea, particularly for this to be suggested during a time when a Premier League club could be going out of business due to debts and financial mismanagement arising from their over-ambition.

Agreed.

agreed as well

Sorry guys, but I disagree with you.

I would have agreed when the European Cup was for the respective WINNERS of their league.

I would have agreed when the "Champions League" was for the WINNERS of their respective league.

I'm afraid, it IS now all about money and the only way we have a chance to get into that "Elite Club" in the foreseeable future is if something like this happens.

I don't enjoy too much of the CL as it is - it is always the same teams & they bore the s**t out of me.

My personal preference is that they did something really radical & made the "Premier Cup in World Club Football" a straight knockout competition.
They could then only open it to the WINNER of each national league that is invited to play in it.
Then it would be interesting. Until then............

4 to 7 in the Premier League is a great idea for me **thumbup
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