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Mar 23 2010, 10:22 PM
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Bluecasual We paid £5.5m for McFadden, so I wouldn't expect us to pay any more for McGeady.
NOT that I want to compare players or let either one be shown in a lesser light. We paid 5.5 to Everton for McFadden a player that couldnt make the first team. I think McFadden is a capable player and I would see 5.5 is a fair price for him. McGeady is a younger player regularly making the starting line up for Celtic and is regarded to have a certain amount of talent. You don't become spfa player of the year and young player of the year if you arent any good. For a young attackin winger with a bit of talent with proven time at Celtic. You arent going to get him for peanuts. You have to make it worth their while to part with him. Celtic and their players aren't a bad side if you watch them play against ManU and or Arsenal they compete. They play good passing football. The Scottish league isn't that bad you know try playing in it. :Blues:
The league is poor mate, lets not kid ourselves! Players like Danny Cadamatri who is a league 1 player here commands a regular starting spot in the SPL I would say Scotland and Ireland are similar national teams in terms of ability, McFadden is a key player while McGeady struggles to play. And if you look back McFadden was 24 when we bought him and McGeady will also be 24 in the summer when we will be attempting to sign him.
Whoa, whoa! Stop with the exaggeration! Danny Cadamatri commands a starting berth in the SPL? No he doesn't. He's only played 8 out of 29 SPL matches. If playing a little less than a quarter of matches constitutes as "commanding a starting berth" then that would mean Michel commands a starting berth at Birmingham... oh, he will be pleased to hear that! ;)And not to go into a big thing here, but Ireland and Scotland are not similar standards. Ireland are so devoid of home grown talent that they have to practically tap up young Scottish teenagers, cap in hand, urging them to play for them instead of Scotland. (McGeady, McCarthy, ect) Little off-topic, but I CANNOT wait till the Celtic Cup begins; the FA have missed a trick with opting out.
Obviously you must be Scottish? I was being generous on the Scottish side comparing them to a similar level to Ireland!!!!
For a player like him to even win an SPL player of the month award like he did in August says a lot! Okay the SPL has unearthed a few gems but they are a poor league in general! Could you see him playing that many games in the english championship?
If the likes of Celtic and Rangers joined the PL with there current teams they WOULD be relegated, okay given time and money they would improve in the english league as they are massive clubs but they are a Championship side on paper!
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Mar 23 2010, 10:30 PM
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JJ22 The league is poor mate, lets not kid ourselves! Players like Danny Cadamatri who is a league 1 player here commands a regular starting spot in the SPL
Celtic won the first European trophy. Ferguson took Aberdeen to win the Cup Winners Cup beating the great Ipswich side on the way. You might say times have changed but when I see Celtic play a premier league side in the European cup they always give a good account of themselves. If Rangers and Celtic played in the in the Uk they would be in the top tier no doubt about it. It wouldnt take them long to acclimatise. McGeady is one of Celtic's better players pure and simple. If you dont want McGeady you will have to to step up in class paying something like 12m+ and this will blow the budget. If you don't want McGeady who else would you have instead then. (Also I think McLeish can spot a player)
Personaly id rather have Dorrans for half the money...Matty Taylor....Martin Petrov....thats just off the top of my head! To be honest i though we payed a lot for McFadden and i dont see too much diffrence. And as i just pointed out in terms of potential the ages will be the same when we buy them. And what has Celtic winning the european cup in the 60s got to do with anything? A bit more relevant if were talking about Scottish teams in Europe is the fact they have just lost there 2nd champions league berth. I agree he is one of there better players though, not hard to be one of there better players when you look at some of there players....who is he competing with apart from Scott Brown and Robbie Keane?Marc Viviene Foe, Georgos Samoras?
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Mar 23 2010, 10:32 PM
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JJ22 The league is poor mate, lets not kid ourselves! Players like Danny Cadamatri who is a league 1 player here commands a regular starting spot in the SPL
Celtic won the first European trophy. Ferguson took Aberdeen to win the Cup Winners Cup beating the great Ipswich side on the way. You might say times have changed but when I see Celtic play a premier league side in the European cup they always give a good account of themselves. If Rangers and Celtic played in the in the Uk they would be in the top tier no doubt about it. It wouldnt take them long to acclimatise. McGeady is one of Celtic's better players pure and simple. If you dont want McGeady you will have to to step up in class paying something like 12m+ and this will blow the budget. If you don't want McGeady who else would you have instead then. (Also I think McLeish can spot a player)
Personaly id rather have Dorrans for half the money...Matty Taylor....Martin Petrov....thats just off the top of my head! To be honest i though we payed a lot for McFadden and i dont see too much diffrence. And as i just pointed out in terms of potential the ages will be the same when we buy them. And what has Celtic winning the european cup in the 60s got to do with anything? A bit more relevant if were talking about Scottish teams in Europe is the fact they have just lost there 2nd champions league berth. I agree he is one of there better players though, not hard to be one of there better players when you look at some of there players....who is he competing with apart from Scott Brown and Robbie Keane?Marc Viviene Foe, Georgos Samoras?
Isnt foe dead?
Or am I totally wrong or something?
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Mar 23 2010, 10:32 PM
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Whoa, whoa! Stop with the exaggeration! Danny Cadamatri commands a starting berth in the SPL? No he doesn't. He's only played 8 out of 29 SPL matches.
In all fairness I think the fact that Cadamarteri is even deemed good enough for an SPL squad says enough about the standard of the SPL...
lol.
So, you judge the standard of a league depending on the players who play a bit part role? That's kind of harsh. There's a fair few duffers currently playing in the Premiership, and there're on a packet, so try to gain perpective.
"Titus Bramble, Danny Fox, ect, , being regarded good enough for the Premier League says enough about the standard of the Premier League.
Be as snotty as you like, to be completely honest I'm proud of the SPL and the amount of young Scottish players playing week-in week-out. I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again, Scotland are producing better players now than they have over the past decade, and this is down to the kids playing regular football.
In 2009 almost 60 per cent of English Premier League players were foreign, god knows what it's going to be like in a few years time. Not that I'm going off-topic or anything. :P
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Mar 23 2010, 10:49 PM
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Whoa, whoa! Stop with the exaggeration! Danny Cadamatri commands a starting berth in the SPL? No he doesn't. He's only played 8 out of 29 SPL matches.
In all fairness I think the fact that Cadamarteri is even deemed good enough for an SPL squad says enough about the standard of the SPL...
lol. So, you judge the standard of a league depending on the players who play a bit part role? That's kind of harsh. There's a fair few duffers currently playing in the Premiership, and there're on a packet, so try to gain perpective. "Titus Bramble, Danny Fox, ect, , being regarded good enough for the Premier League says enough about the standard of the Premier League. Be as snotty as you like, to be completely honest I'm proud of the SPL and the amount of young Scottish players playing week-in week-out. I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again, Scotland are producing better players now than they have over the past decade, and this is down to the kids playing regular football. In 2009 almost 60 per cent of English Premier League players were foreign, god knows what it's going to be like in a few years time. Not that I'm going off-topic or anything. :P
What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then?
And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home?
Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player.
We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team!
This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
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Mar 23 2010, 11:24 PM
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it doesnt matter how much we pay for him, 8-10m is right money for a left winger, young, with champions league experience.
it would be the same or more with babel&co
i hope its true
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
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Mar 23 2010, 11:56 PM
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If he is that good how come we are the only pren side showing the slightest intrest in him ?
Because we are the only team who have the readies.
Kind of like in January, although I'm sure a couple of those teams should have thought about that when they were trying to price us out of their cast-offs (i.e. Liverpool and Sunderland, not Spurs ;) )
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Mar 24 2010, 12:01 AM
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JJ22 The league is poor mate, lets not kid ourselves! Players like Danny Cadamatri who is a league 1 player here commands a regular starting spot in the SPL
Celtic won the first European trophy. Ferguson took Aberdeen to win the Cup Winners Cup beating the great Ipswich side on the way. You might say times have changed but when I see Celtic play a premier league side in the European cup they always give a good account of themselves. If Rangers and Celtic played in the in the Uk they would be in the top tier no doubt about it. It wouldnt take them long to acclimatise. McGeady is one of Celtic's better players pure and simple. If you dont want McGeady you will have to to step up in class paying something like 12m+ and this will blow the budget. If you don't want McGeady who else would you have instead then. (Also I think McLeish can spot a player)
Personaly id rather have Dorrans for half the money...Matty Taylor....Martin Petrov....thats just off the top of my head! To be honest i though we payed a lot for McFadden and i dont see too much diffrence. And as i just pointed out in terms of potential the ages will be the same when we buy them. And what has Celtic winning the european cup in the 60s got to do with anything? A bit more relevant if were talking about Scottish teams in Europe is the fact they have just lost there 2nd champions league berth. I agree he is one of there better players though, not hard to be one of there better players when you look at some of there players....who is he competing with apart from Scott Brown and Robbie Keane?Marc Viviene Foe, Georgos Samoras?
Isnt foe dead? Or am I totally wrong or something?
Yeah, Marc Viviene Foe is dead. Died nearly a decade ago playing for Cameroon when he was a Man City player.
I think the poster was referring to Marc Antoine Fortune!
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JJ22 The league is poor mate, lets not kid ourselves! Players like Danny Cadamatri who is a league 1 player here commands a regular starting spot in the SPL
Celtic won the first European trophy. Ferguson took Aberdeen to win the Cup Winners Cup beating the great Ipswich side on the way. You might say times have changed but when I see Celtic play a premier league side in the European cup they always give a good account of themselves. If Rangers and Celtic played in the in the Uk they would be in the top tier no doubt about it. It wouldnt take them long to acclimatise. McGeady is one of Celtic's better players pure and simple. If you dont want McGeady you will have to to step up in class paying something like 12m+ and this will blow the budget. If you don't want McGeady who else would you have instead then. (Also I think McLeish can spot a player)
Personaly id rather have Dorrans for half the money...Matty Taylor....Martin Petrov....thats just off the top of my head! To be honest i though we payed a lot for McFadden and i dont see too much diffrence. And as i just pointed out in terms of potential the ages will be the same when we buy them. And what has Celtic winning the european cup in the 60s got to do with anything? A bit more relevant if were talking about Scottish teams in Europe is the fact they have just lost there 2nd champions league berth. I agree he is one of there better players though, not hard to be one of there better players when you look at some of there players....who is he competing with apart from Scott Brown and Robbie Keane?Marc Viviene Foe, Georgos Samoras?
Isnt foe dead? Or am I totally wrong or something?
I think Foe could do better!!
My mistake.....the lad from west brom marc antoine fortune!!!
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
When was the last time a Scottish under 21 team qualified for a major competition....i think you will find England got to the last final...and the semi-final the year before. The only reason Celtic got rid of Fox was because of money....they have replaced him with a loanee from Bayern Munich reserves. Ferguson never set the league alight....are you mad?He was Rangers best player for a number of years....captaining them and his country!!Apart from Fletcher probably the only Scot in recent years who would of got into an England squad!! Yeah Dorrans great player....like i said gems are unearthed amongst a lot of medeocrity. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL.
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
When was the last time a Scottish under 21 team qualified for a major competition....i think you will find England got to the last final...and the semi-final the year before. The only reason Celtic got rid of Fox was because of money....they have replaced him with a loanee from Bayern Munich reserves. Ferguson never set the league alight....are you mad?He was Rangers best player for a number of years....captaining them and his country!!Apart from Fletcher probably the only Scot in recent years who would of got into an England squad!! Yeah Dorrans great player....like i said gems are unearthed amongst a lot of medeocrity. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL.
Scotland U19s reached the European Championships final in 2006, only to be beaten by Spain 2:1, and incidently, Dorrans scored in that match. Oh lovely, harking back to the past, is this the time that you mention 1966? :PCeltic aren't in debt, so to sell a player which whom no one assotiated with Celtic would concider a comodity isn't exactly going to get tounges wagging. They sold him because the Celtic fans disliked him, same goes with Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus. They'll probably buy Lee Wallace in the summer, and he is much better than Fox. Yikes, you really do like to live in the past, huh? Ask Rangers fans what Ferguson did in the previous two seasons and they will reply by "Not much", in fact, all he did of note in his final two years would be to stick his fingers up at the camera whilst on the Scotland bench. Gordon and Hutton would also get into the current England squad, Brown, too. McFadden (He may not do the business for Birmingham but he's never let Scotland down, scoring against France, Spain, Holland, ect.) I'd say Kris Boyd, too. And Darren Fletcher, well, he would walk into the England team. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL? What does that mean? That 60% of foreigners and 40% british players could play in the SPL? Well, if that makes you happy. ;)
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As Simon Cowell would say.
Its for people like you....... thats the reason we come to Scotland each year Because we like to find special special talents...... you know what, we may have just found one.
Ok reality check here
Alex Yes or No...... Yes Carson Yes or No..... Yes
Thats 3 yes's Aiden
Your throu to Birmingham :bluzz:
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
When was the last time a Scottish under 21 team qualified for a major competition....i think you will find England got to the last final...and the semi-final the year before. The only reason Celtic got rid of Fox was because of money....they have replaced him with a loanee from Bayern Munich reserves. Ferguson never set the league alight....are you mad?He was Rangers best player for a number of years....captaining them and his country!!Apart from Fletcher probably the only Scot in recent years who would of got into an England squad!! Yeah Dorrans great player....like i said gems are unearthed amongst a lot of medeocrity. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL.
Scotland U19s reached the European Championships final in 2006, only to be beaten by Spain 2:1, and incidently, Dorrans scored in that match. Oh lovely, harking back to the past, is this the time that you mention 1966? :PCeltic aren't in debt, so to sell a player which whom no one assotiated with Celtic would concider a comodity isn't exactly going to get tounges wagging. They sold him because the Celtic fans disliked him, same goes with Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus. They'll probably buy Lee Wallace in the summer, and he is much better than Fox. Yikes, you really do like to live in the past, huh? Ask Rangers fans what Ferguson did in the previous two seasons and they will reply by "Not much", in fact, all he did of note in his final two years would be to stick his fingers up at the camera whilst on the Scotland bench. Gordon and Hutton would also get into the current England squad, Brown, too. McFadden (He may not do the business for Birmingham but he's never let Scotland down, scoring against France, Spain, Holland, ect.) I'd say Kris Boyd, too. And Darren Fletcher, well, he would walk into the England team. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL? What does that mean? That 60% of foreigners and 40% british players could play in the SPL? Well, if that makes you happy. ;)
I said your U21 team??Not your U19 team?Its well known that due to most top countries not having access to there U19 players it as seen as a weaker age group like U20. Strongest being U17 and U21. Although Celtic are not in debt they are not in a position to be turning down good money for players, especialy now after a season without Champions League and finding them so far behind Rangers going into a season where there is only 1 Champions League place.The money just isnt there as it used to be. So they sold palyers that wernt important, bit of a contradiction as they play for the Scotish national team you seem to rate so highly. And have all gone to stronger teams. Im not talking about the previous 2 seasons, obviously together with his off field trouble and injury and move was much needed but how can you be so disrespectful for someone that has done so much for his club and country previously. You are trying to justify McFadden being in the england squad lol....he's not exactly 1st on the team sheet for us....a newly promoted PL team. And Scott Brown in front of Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Carrick to mention a few?Kris Boyd....a player we are being linked with to get on a free transer?And Hutton who has been loaned out to a lesser PL team after not cutting it at Spurs (Someone i personaly rate and think we should try sign, but not england class)Il give you Craig Gordan after seeing the way he played on Saturday! You can be a poor PL player and stil go and do a decent job in the SPL, look at some of the players in that league its embarrasing. It says something when your league is ranked 16th in europe behind the likes of Switzerland, Belgium, Greece and Denmark. They are classed by Uefa in the same bracket as the Irish and Azerbajan league!!
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
When was the last time a Scottish under 21 team qualified for a major competition....i think you will find England got to the last final...and the semi-final the year before. The only reason Celtic got rid of Fox was because of money....they have replaced him with a loanee from Bayern Munich reserves. Ferguson never set the league alight....are you mad?He was Rangers best player for a number of years....captaining them and his country!!Apart from Fletcher probably the only Scot in recent years who would of got into an England squad!! Yeah Dorrans great player....like i said gems are unearthed amongst a lot of medeocrity. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL.
Scotland U19s reached the European Championships final in 2006, only to be beaten by Spain 2:1, and incidently, Dorrans scored in that match. Oh lovely, harking back to the past, is this the time that you mention 1966? :PCeltic aren't in debt, so to sell a player which whom no one assotiated with Celtic would concider a comodity isn't exactly going to get tounges wagging. They sold him because the Celtic fans disliked him, same goes with Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus. They'll probably buy Lee Wallace in the summer, and he is much better than Fox. Yikes, you really do like to live in the past, huh? Ask Rangers fans what Ferguson did in the previous two seasons and they will reply by "Not much", in fact, all he did of note in his final two years would be to stick his fingers up at the camera whilst on the Scotland bench. Gordon and Hutton would also get into the current England squad, Brown, too. McFadden (He may not do the business for Birmingham but he's never let Scotland down, scoring against France, Spain, Holland, ect.) I'd say Kris Boyd, too. And Darren Fletcher, well, he would walk into the England team. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL? What does that mean? That 60% of foreigners and 40% british players could play in the SPL? Well, if that makes you happy. ;)
I said your U21 team??Not your U19 team?Its well known that due to most top countries not having access to there U19 players it as seen as a weaker age group like U20. Strongest being U17 and U21. Although Celtic are not in debt they are not in a position to be turning down good money for players, especialy now after a season without Champions League and finding them so far behind Rangers going into a season where there is only 1 Champions League place.The money just isnt there as it used to be. So they sold palyers that wernt important, bit of a contradiction as they play for the Scotish national team you seem to rate so highly. And have all gone to stronger teams. Im not talking about the previous 2 seasons, obviously together with his off field trouble and injury and move was much needed but how can you be so disrespectful for someone that has done so much for his club and country previously. You are trying to justify McFadden being in the england squad lol....he's not exactly 1st on the team sheet for us....a newly promoted PL team. And Scott Brown in front of Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Carrick to mention a few?Kris Boyd....a player we are being linked with to get on a free transer?And Hutton who has been loaned out to a lesser PL team after not cutting it at Spurs (Someone i personaly rate and think we should try sign, but not england class)Il give you Craig Gordan after seeing the way he played on Saturday! You can be a poor PL player and stil go and do a decent job in the SPL, look at some of the players in that league its embarrasing. It says something when your league is ranked 16th in europe behind the likes of Switzerland, Belgium, Greece and Denmark. They are classed by Uefa in the same bracket as the Irish and Azerbajan league!!
Danny Fox was sold because Mowbray didn't rate him and the fans were always on his back, trust me on this one, mate. I watched him a lot and he didn't convince me, nor did he convince his manager or his fans. If you want to make this an issue of being in a fire-sale, then fine, I'm not a Celtic fan, what do I care? lol It's strange that they bring in Robbie Keane for £60k p/w if they are so struggling, but yeah, ok, you know better. :rolleyes: I have so little respect for Barry Ferguson because he's pretty much screwing Craig Levein and the Tartan Army around, with his prolonged decision whether of not he's going to return to the Scotland fold. Let's face it, if you have to "think about" playing for your country then you're a mug of milk short of a latte. James McFadden is the biggest enigma that I've ever known! For Everton and Birmingham he is so-so, nothing special, but nothing below par, completely average. But when he puts the Navy Blue of Scotland on he turns into this enthusiastic, skillful, monster of a player, the likes of which we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnstone. To be his club manager you'd really have to get into his head. I adore the lad, but he has short-changed the Everton and Birmingham fans. But saying that, I don't give a jot, as long as he keeps being our talisman, he can play how he likes for his club. ;)I said Scott Brown in the SQUAD, but hey, since you mention it, I would rank him above Barry and Carrick. Have you seen Carrick this season? I take it that you haven't seen Kris Boyd? On his debut for Scotland againt Bulgaria he scored two goals, and It was reminicant of Van Nistelrooy. If McGeady is quoted at £10 million then Boyd must be talking about in the £20 million bracket. Hutton was in Jose Mourinho's fantasy Premiership team in 2008, ahead of Neville, Brown, Johnson. And as for Gordon, I'm glad that he's FINALLY showing everyone in England how good he really is, and he's been like that for Scotland since day one. Hopefully he gets a move to a bigger club. It's a mistake to knock Scotland because we have a poor league. I mean, Holland haven't exactly got the strongest league and yet their national team is always there or thereabouts.
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What is percentage of palyers from abroad in the SPL then? And are Scotland doing really well at youth level, as its something i have not noticed, i think i saw recently they drew 2-2 with Azerbajan at home? Danny Fox is a decent player and showed that in the SPL he even plays for Scotland, and i reckon Bramble would be a top SPL player. We recently let go of a young player at this club to the SPL (Aluko to Aberdeen) he went from being on the fringes of our squad (yes squad not team) into the Aberdeen 1st team! This year in europe. Celtic - didnt make the champions league group stages then failed to qualify from the Europa League group stages. Rangers- came bottom of there CL group. Then none of the other Europa teams even reached the group stages of the Europa League!!!
Not 60%, I'll tell you that. Yes, we drew with Azerbajan on the same day that England lost at home to Greece. And fyi, Scotland are still at the top of their group (Goal difference) and England are trailing Greece by 5 points. And another fyi, we beat Azerbajan in Azerbajan 4:0. Fox was a calamity at Celtic and there is no way that he should've gotten a Scotland cap, alas, it's just a lasting legacy of the incompetence of George Burley. Well, if you want to play games like that then I could say that Barry Ferguson never hardly set the heather alight and yet he's burning it up in the Premiership. Or we can say that West Brom snapped up a young kid from the Scottish first division and now he's been talking about playing for Arsenal, Manchester City and Villa... Dorrans.
When was the last time a Scottish under 21 team qualified for a major competition....i think you will find England got to the last final...and the semi-final the year before. The only reason Celtic got rid of Fox was because of money....they have replaced him with a loanee from Bayern Munich reserves. Ferguson never set the league alight....are you mad?He was Rangers best player for a number of years....captaining them and his country!!Apart from Fletcher probably the only Scot in recent years who would of got into an England squad!! Yeah Dorrans great player....like i said gems are unearthed amongst a lot of medeocrity. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL.
Scotland U19s reached the European Championships final in 2006, only to be beaten by Spain 2:1, and incidently, Dorrans scored in that match. Oh lovely, harking back to the past, is this the time that you mention 1966? :PCeltic aren't in debt, so to sell a player which whom no one assotiated with Celtic would concider a comodity isn't exactly going to get tounges wagging. They sold him because the Celtic fans disliked him, same goes with Gary Caldwell and Stephen McManus. They'll probably buy Lee Wallace in the summer, and he is much better than Fox. Yikes, you really do like to live in the past, huh? Ask Rangers fans what Ferguson did in the previous two seasons and they will reply by "Not much", in fact, all he did of note in his final two years would be to stick his fingers up at the camera whilst on the Scotland bench. Gordon and Hutton would also get into the current England squad, Brown, too. McFadden (He may not do the business for Birmingham but he's never let Scotland down, scoring against France, Spain, Holland, ect.) I'd say Kris Boyd, too. And Darren Fletcher, well, he would walk into the England team. Every single PL player could do a job in the SPL? What does that mean? That 60% of foreigners and 40% british players could play in the SPL? Well, if that makes you happy. ;)
I said your U21 team??Not your U19 team?Its well known that due to most top countries not having access to there U19 players it as seen as a weaker age group like U20. Strongest being U17 and U21. Although Celtic are not in debt they are not in a position to be turning down good money for players, especialy now after a season without Champions League and finding them so far behind Rangers going into a season where there is only 1 Champions League place.The money just isnt there as it used to be. So they sold palyers that wernt important, bit of a contradiction as they play for the Scotish national team you seem to rate so highly. And have all gone to stronger teams. Im not talking about the previous 2 seasons, obviously together with his off field trouble and injury and move was much needed but how can you be so disrespectful for someone that has done so much for his club and country previously. You are trying to justify McFadden being in the england squad lol....he's not exactly 1st on the team sheet for us....a newly promoted PL team. And Scott Brown in front of Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Carrick to mention a few?Kris Boyd....a player we are being linked with to get on a free transer?And Hutton who has been loaned out to a lesser PL team after not cutting it at Spurs (Someone i personaly rate and think we should try sign, but not england class)Il give you Craig Gordan after seeing the way he played on Saturday! You can be a poor PL player and stil go and do a decent job in the SPL, look at some of the players in that league its embarrasing. It says something when your league is ranked 16th in europe behind the likes of Switzerland, Belgium, Greece and Denmark. They are classed by Uefa in the same bracket as the Irish and Azerbajan league!!
Danny Fox was sold because Mowbray didn't rate him and the fans were always on his back, trust me on this one, mate. I watched him a lot and he didn't convince me, nor did he convince his manager or his fans. If you want to make this an issue of being in a fire-sale, then fine, I'm not a Celtic fan, what do I care? lol It's strange that they bring in Robbie Keane for £60k p/w if they are so struggling, but yeah, ok, you know better. :rolleyes: I have so little respect for Barry Ferguson because he's pretty much screwing Craig Levein and the Tartan Army around, with his prolonged decision whether of not he's going to return to the Scotland fold. Let's face it, if you have to "think about" playing for your country then you're a mug of milk short of a latte. James McFadden is the biggest enigma that I've ever known! For Everton and Birmingham he is so-so, nothing special, but nothing below par, completely average. But when he puts the Navy Blue of Scotland on he turns into this enthusiastic, skillful, monster of a player, the likes of which we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnstone. To be his club manager you'd really have to get into his head. I adore the lad, but he has short-changed the Everton and Birmingham fans. But saying that, I don't give a jot, as long as he keeps being our talisman, he can play how he likes for his club. ;)I said Scott Brown in the SQUAD, but hey, since you mention it, I would rank him above Barry and Carrick. Have you seen Carrick this season? I take it that you haven't seen Kris Boyd? On his debut for Scotland againt Bulgaria he scored two goals, and It was reminicant of Van Nistelrooy. If McGeady is quoted at £10 million then Boyd must be talking about in the £20 million bracket. Hutton was in Jose Mourinho's fantasy Premiership team in 2008, ahead of Neville, Brown, Johnson. And as for Gordon, I'm glad that he's FINALLY showing everyone in England how good he really is, and he's been like that for Scotland since day one. Hopefully he gets a move to a bigger club. It's a mistake to knock Scotland because we have a poor league. I mean, Holland haven't exactly got the strongest league and yet their national team is always there or thereabouts.
Im not saying there will be a fire sale, but its obvious due to the lack of CL football they are going to have to trim the wage bill and get a bit of money in. And with regards to Fox i was going on what i have seen on tv and after speaking to ex celtic ledgend John Collins. And the Robbie Keane signing has solely been done to appease the fans, and it is widely believed it is being funded by Dermot Desmond personaly. Absolutly no chance in it being permanent though. Its only £250,000 hardly massive outlay, last throw of the dice, you never know if they had got a win v Rangers could of worked out diffrent. The decision not to return in the last game came about as he was struggling with a knock picked up for blues but also a return away from home in there next match is seen as a better comeback, avoiding the obvious fans backlash that will come in such force at Hampden. Fair point about McFadden it is a strange one. Brown in front of Barry and Carrick know you are having a laugh. He is brainless!!And yes i did see his that game, there is no question the lad can score goals but his all round game is questionable, no real pace, cant really get about to good. Not really a regular for Scotland is he?Thats why he decided he didnt want to play no more!And Hutton in a fantasy team while playing in SPL is hard to take to serious.....i dont see him in any fantasy teams down here?He got his move to a big club, but they didnt fancy him! Holland league isnt the strongest but its far from being a 2 horse race......you have some quality teams FC Twente, Ajaz, PSV, AZ, Feyenord. There league is stil in the top 10!
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Im not saying there will be a fire sale, but its obvious due to the lack of CL football they are going to have to trim the wage bill and get a bit of money in. And with regards to Fox i was going on what i have seen on tv and after speaking to ex celtic ledgend John Collins.
And the Robbie Keane signing has solely been done to appease the fans, and it is widely believed it is being funded by Dermot Desmond personaly. Absolutly no chance in it being permanent though. Its only £250,000 hardly massive outlay, last throw of the dice, you never know if they had got a win v Rangers could of worked out diffrent.
The decision not to return in the last game came about as he was struggling with a knock picked up for blues but also a return away from home in there next match is seen as a better comeback, avoiding the obvious fans backlash that will come in such force at Hampden.
Fair point about McFadden it is a strange one. Brown in front of Barry and Carrick know you are having a laugh. He is brainless!!And yes i did see his that game, there is no question the lad can score goals but his all round game is questionable, no real pace, cant really get about to good. Not really a regular for Scotland is he?Thats why he decided he didnt want to play no more!And Hutton in a fantasy team while playing in SPL is hard to take to serious.....i dont see him in any fantasy teams down here?He got his move to a big club, but they didnt fancy him!
Holland league isnt the strongest but its far from being a 2 horse race......you have some quality teams FC Twente, Ajaz, PSV, AZ, Feyenord. There league is stil in the top 10!
Actually, saying that, Celtic have reportedly been touting Brown around the Premiership, with Spurs being the main team being linked with him, so there *may* be a wee bit of a fire sale. Now John Collins was a fantastic player... excuse me for going a wee bit off topic. The Robbie Keane thing is a strange one; yes, he is a great player, but wasting all that money (no matter where it's coming from) is just downright stupid. I mean, fine, if they were going to get him on a permanent deal, then fine, but as you said, they won't. Well, I don't know if there will be a backlash. I've only known the Tartan Army to boo one player, but it's not a common thing for us to turn on players. Hell, even Kris Boyd got a warm reception upon his return from his self imposed exile. When Brown was at Hibs he was absolutely sensational. He has a brilliant first season at Celtic but for the past season he's been playing with an injury, which has blighted the poor kid. Mowbray eventually rested him for about 3 months and now he's getting back to his best. There's no doubt that Carrick is a cracking player, but if I had to choose one of them, at the peak of their powers, it would be Brown. With regard to Kris boyd, his game has really developed in the past season or so, his link up play used to be shocking, but you can tell that he's been working on it. He's an intelligent player and his domain is the penalty box. Steven Fletcher has how many goals this season? 10? Boyd would double that, no problem. Personally I would love to see him in the Premiership, and I think Birmingham have an advantage, because of Ferguson being there. Nope. Mourinho chose the Premiership fantasy team whilst Hutton was with Spurs. 2008.
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I am glad I am not the only one who knows McGeadeys rubbishness.
On TalkSport yesterday evening there were emails/texts/tweets giving him pelters. The concesus was he was worth no more than a £2.5m punt for a Prem club.
I just don't know why it was one of the subjects, although I think I heard Newcastle mentioned.
Anyway 100% pelters.
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hes coming here....
im sure of it
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so were is the link?
There isn't one! :banghead:
Found these though! **thumbup
10 March http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Trans...icle350429.html
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KRO :Blues:
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I just don't know why it was one of the subjects, although I think I heard Newcastle mentioned.
Anyway 100% pelters.
They were discussing Celtic's underachievement under Mowbray. One bloke texted in saying that McGeady's best position was 'wide left.....on subs bench'! I get the impression he's regarded as something of a 'show pony'. Can we afford one of them just yet?
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I just don't know why it was one of the subjects, although I think I heard Newcastle mentioned.
Anyway 100% pelters.
They were discussing Celtic's underachievement under Mowbray. One bloke texted in saying that McGeady's best position was 'wide left.....on subs bench'! I get the impression he's regarded as something of a 'show pony'. Can we afford one of them just yet?
I have had it said to me by Celtic fans, the latest a ST holder in Lowdham on a 3month contract, that he is that. Plays one game goes missing the next two. Since hearing the criticisms I made a point of watching him on Sky's SPL live games. He is no good - and that is SPL and the the third rate opposition.
All these people in the know cannot be wrong.
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I know you've put those links up with the best of intentions, but it's just reminded me of something I read this morning:
In its purest form, a newspaper consists of a collection of facts which, in controlled circumstances, can actively improve knowledge. Unfortunately, facts are expensive, so to save costs and drive up sales, unscrupulous dealers often "cut" the basic contents with cheaper material, such as wild opinion, bulls**t, empty hysteria, reheated press releases, advertorial padding and photographs of Lady Gaga with her bum hanging out. The hapless user has little or no concept of the toxicity of the end product: they digest the contents in good faith, only to pay the price later when they find themselves raging incoherently in pubs, or – increasingly – on internet messageboards
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In its purest form, a newspaper consists of a collection of facts which, in controlled circumstances, can actively improve knowledge. Unfortunately, facts are expensive, so to save costs and drive up sales, unscrupulous dealers often "cut" the basic contents with cheaper material, such as wild opinion, bulls**t, empty hysteria, reheated press releases, advertorial padding and photographs of Lady Gaga with her bum hanging out. The hapless user has little or no concept of the toxicity of the end product: they digest the contents in good faith, only to pay the price later when they find themselves raging incoherently in pubs, or – increasingly – on internet messageboards
So very, very true.
If anyone has had experience of a newspaper reporting on something of which they have first hand knowledge it's often difficult to find any truth in the newspaper's report. The number of facts they get wrong is staggering.
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