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| jj22 | Mar 23 2010, 08:24 PM Post #1 |
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Kenny Burns
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After being delighted when i herd we would have £20-£40million to spend i was eagerly awaiting the January sales. Yes we bought 2 players but the money we thought would be wasnt spent so we all now are once again eagerly awaiting the next transfer window. But with Pannu constantly dropping hints that the budget wont be as high as 1st expected due to year end losses and not wanting to end up like Pompey etc. I am left wondering how much will there be. The figure seems to include wages as wel as the fee, fair enough but considering this summer we spent just over £30 million all in, (transfer fee's,loan fee's, salaries) and that was seen as not much investment, are we expecting much better?Or maybe even less? Worst case scenario we take the low end of there promise (£20million) take the Gardner and Michel transfers into account £6million fee's and around £5million in wages, that totals £11million leaving us with £9million to spend including wages. |
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| brad1875 | Mar 23 2010, 08:31 PM Post #2 |
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Alex Govan
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..zz.. Can we just wait until the summer to see what happens first??? :banghead: |
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| aj18er | Mar 23 2010, 08:34 PM Post #3 |
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We bid £11 million or whatever it was for Pavlyuchenko, similar for Babel, both of those would have commanded £50k per week, one of those would have been pretty much the entire budget... I wouldn't worry as there's no way McLeish would have been in for them if one of them were the only player he could afford... |
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| jj22 | Mar 23 2010, 09:22 PM Post #4 |
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Kenny Burns
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What is the problem with looking to the summer? |
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| crusto | Mar 23 2010, 09:39 PM Post #5 |
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Paul Tait
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Who knows?? Maybe the bids were accepted, maybe once the ball was in our court, we mishit it, or dropped it altogether. Lets face it, what big money/high profile signings have we ever pulled off? We will never really know will we. The proof will be in the pudding, sooner or later the truth will out. If by september this year we have only spent another 6 mil or so then things will be a little more obvious. Theres only so many excuses you can make. Please, all we want is the truth ffs. Weve had spin since 1993, we dont need anymore. and to be honest I dont think we will.......... |
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| jj22 | Mar 23 2010, 10:08 PM Post #6 |
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Kenny Burns
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Since January i have took the opinion we wont get the full £40million but even if we do with wages included it isnt actualy that much when in the summer we spent over £30million. So even the best scenario wont be that great and i dont think we will get that! |
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| Amuser | Mar 23 2010, 10:11 PM Post #7 |
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Until the summer, all of this is mere conjecture. I'm going to wait and see how ambitious we are in comparison with those around us before making a judgement. |
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| brad1875 | Mar 23 2010, 10:12 PM Post #8 |
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Alex Govan
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im just bored of this topic being brought up every other month ..zz.. |
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| jj22 | Mar 23 2010, 10:34 PM Post #9 |
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Kenny Burns
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The point im raising though is diffrent to what has been previously talked about. If we do get the £40million is that even a lot when you consider wages included. For example you look at Craig Gardner as a £3million signing but with wages included you are looking at nearly £7million. Buy a Pavlychenko......£12million plus say £8million in wages over 3 years thats £20million!! |
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| crusto | Mar 23 2010, 10:37 PM Post #10 |
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Paul Tait
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The thing is, its the same for every club. Yet its only here that it seems to be brought up. |
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| jj22 | Mar 23 2010, 10:42 PM Post #11 |
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Kenny Burns
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What do you mean its the same with every club? |
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| wardendbluenose | Mar 23 2010, 11:42 PM Post #12 |
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Alex Govan
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If we start spending £40 million fans will start asking why are'nt we spending £80 million. It seems like we're going to have to spend close to that £40m figure just to prove the doubters wrong. All that matters is if AM finds a player he wants, then he will be backed, kind of like how it was in January. |
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| jj22 | Mar 24 2010, 12:20 AM Post #13 |
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Kenny Burns
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Can you not see what im saying though....the old board were criticised in the summer for not spending enough....now the new board said they were going to spend a maximum of £40 million but then said it will probably be cut down due to club finances. So the figure is around if not less than we spent last summer!! £20 million sounds like a lot but in reality it isnt when you bring wages into it. The money for transfers might be there but i dont think the wages are as well. |
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| drongo32 | Mar 24 2010, 08:21 AM Post #14 |
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The thing is, the Portsmouth saga has to have a big outcome on all summer activity. Spending has spiraled way out of control, and a few more clubs will be feeling the pinch. I dont want Blues to be one of those clubs. Big Eck seems to have a shrewd business head about him, and doesn't want to pay stupid money for players....in either transfer fees or wages.....good on him. The club looks like it is slowly coming back to the fans....with ticket prices dropping etc, lets not ruin that by taking it to the brink. I want success as much as any fan, but I also want to continue supporting the club in years to come....so lets be sensible. I dont care how the witton wariors are doing.....if we beat them every now and then great. BCFC is my club. KRO |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 24 2010, 08:54 AM Post #15 |
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Alex Govan
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The board didnt specify any minimum or maximum that would be spent...ffs :banghead: Carson Yeung got over excited having just purchased the club..once the reality set in and Mcleish had managed to calm him down the club did the deals they were able to conclude,it really is as simple as that. Its now commonplace for clubs to include wages in the figures made available to the press and then ultimately to us..but over the length of a contract of say 4yrs then you have to spread the salary over the same term.So only 1 year of a players salary will come out of this years budget...Craig Gardner is therefore not costing £7 million right now... and therefore this thread is no different to the many many many that have been done before it... :whistle: |
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| beegeeblueboy | Mar 24 2010, 09:11 AM Post #16 |
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The way we will find out the transfer budget both in the summer and for the next few year is too little is that AM won't sign his new contract. |
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| bluebel | Mar 24 2010, 11:34 AM Post #17 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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McLeish doesn't think the money is there now either :( http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s...97319-26097393/ |
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| Deleted User | Mar 24 2010, 11:39 AM Post #18 |
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does'nt say anything of the sort he's just pointing out that PAV's price would of gone up considerably because of the form he as shown lately :banghead: |
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| bluebel | Mar 24 2010, 12:27 PM Post #19 |
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Geoff Horsfield
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Let's hope you are right and he will have the money to spend. Letting Carsley and Phillips go in the summer will save approx £3m a year in wages. More than enough to pay the wages of Pav or similar player - so fingers still crossed **thumbup |
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| jj22 | Mar 24 2010, 12:35 PM Post #20 |
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Kenny Burns
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There was me thinking he did.......between £20-£40million?? All this talk of Pompey is doing my head in, why should we spend less cos they might go out of business. An example of 1 club being run poorly to be used as a reason why we shouldnt spend big!!Every club is diiferent and run differently. And what i dont get is why do we now include wages in the transfer budget, so you say its only the 1st year. Where is the 2nd, 3rd year included?In the next season and season after budget?Its simply a way of making a transfer budget seem bigger!! You will probably find there is a transfer budgert and a wage structure in place, the 2nd of which i think will let us down in the summer. |
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| turunc | Mar 24 2010, 01:01 PM Post #21 |
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The thing that annoys me about the Pompey situation has nothing to do with them going into administration. When Blues were relegated from the Prem last time it was Pompeys place we took in the bottom three, no one mentions the amount of revenue Blues lost due to that relegation and yet it is still impacting on our clubs plans now with Peter Pannus recent comments. Pompey spent money they had not got, fact, to get them out of trouble, HR spent it and kept them in the Premiership to Blues detriment. The deals were imo dodgy as clearly there were not enough funds to support them, which is why they are now in administration. Now when the Tevez affair happened Sheff Utd settlement took into account how much money they would have received if they an not Hammers had stayed up. Whilst I am sure this will not happen in our circumstances I do not see to much difference between the two scenarios. Sheff Utd were relegated due to dodgy deals based around the signing of Tevez and Mascherano, which clearly impacted on their survival campaign. Blues were relegated due to dodgy deals without funds to support them, with the incoming players having an immediate impact and keeping Pompey up and relegating Blues. That is what annoys me about the Pompey scenario! |
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| jj22 | Mar 24 2010, 01:29 PM Post #22 |
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Kenny Burns
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Something i agree with, they have been in the PL under false pretences!! |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 24 2010, 01:54 PM Post #23 |
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Alex Govan
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jj you seem happy to wallow....yes figures were mentioned in an excited outburst by the chairman and then over several months these were qualified a little so as to make sense of them.The mere mention of funds didnt really help Mcleish and should have been kept private but he was excited for gods sake having spent 2 years being insulted and sidelined and owning a £15 million pound season ticket to boot. They are exploring every avenue to move this club forward and provide revenue to sustain the club for many years...give them a bloody chance and stop all this wondering if and what might be.. and to you Turunc i said the same at the time we went down...Gaydemaks money was said to be from his father and alleged arms deals and wasnt welcomed by the Prem at the time but it got brushed under the convenient football carpet. |
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| wardendbluenose | Mar 24 2010, 04:00 PM Post #24 |
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Alex Govan
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The old board were criticised for saying nonsense like 'we will not be outbid' and other similar pearls of wisdom regarding how we're gonna be spending big bucks. The new board has already backed AM in January, ok we only spent around £6million but they got on with it no fuss. Now if the manager wants to bring in all bosmans or splash the cash as long as the board back him we can't complain. And until they do otherwise we can't say much either. |
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| crusto | Mar 24 2010, 07:14 PM Post #25 |
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I cant be Bothered to explain :rolleyes: . |
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