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Players Out The Door Next Season
Topic Started: Mar 24 2010, 10:03 PM (751 Views)
tony123
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Boring football at St Andrews, in love with 451, Doesnt learn from his mistakes, keeps playing his favourites..Has had a lucky season!!


We were 8th in the league looks like we should stay between 8-12th and a Cup run.....havent lost at home for 6 months, 16 game unbeaten run including ManU and Chelsea...

Long May it Continue!!

(Please Sir Big Eck!! May I have some more!! Lots more!! More and More and More!!)

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Mar 24 2010, 10:43 PM
in01_saund
Mar 24 2010, 10:39 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 10:38 PM
once again the have been below average, most of the others have been playing excellent and at times (mostly) carried them.

agree with u squad players but mcfadden and larrsons heart doesn't seem in it and the other 2 are not good enough

Absolute rubbish, 2 of them started on the bench, 1 scored our goal and the other has scored 4 goals in the last 4 games and is our top scorer.

2 started on bench (wonder why)

top scorer (oh yer forgot he has 20 oh sorry 10 oh no how many was it)

scored tonight (wow lets keep him, john gayle scored 2 at wembley let buy him back)

It doesnt matter how many he's on he's still our top scorer which means he has been more effective than any of our other strikers so he would be the one we needed to keep most.
He has been better than O'Connor Bent and Phillips this season so unless you want rid of all 4 leaving us needing to find 4 new stikers for next season Jerome is the last person that should be out the door.
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in01_saund
Mar 24 2010, 10:54 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 10:43 PM
in01_saund
Mar 24 2010, 10:39 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 10:38 PM
once again the have been below average, most of the others have been playing excellent and at times (mostly) carried them.

agree with u squad players but mcfadden and larrsons heart doesn't seem in it and the other 2 are not good enough

Absolute rubbish, 2 of them started on the bench, 1 scored our goal and the other has scored 4 goals in the last 4 games and is our top scorer.

2 started on bench (wonder why)

top scorer (oh yer forgot he has 20 oh sorry 10 oh no how many was it)

scored tonight (wow lets keep him, john gayle scored 2 at wembley let buy him back)

It doesnt matter how many he's on he's still our top scorer which means he has been more effective than any of our other strikers so he would be the one we needed to keep most.
He has been better than O'Connor Bent and Phillips this season so unless you want rid of all 4 leaving us needing to find 4 new stikers for next season Jerome is the last person that should be out the door.

Who said the others were better (not me) and please answer the other 2 statistics in (). So jeromes great as he's scored more than the others when u add the 3 together still don't get 10 goals. Prem class yippee can't wait for your wish list
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Jimbo
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Goodnight hope your 10 goal striker we buy turns out to score 20+ or even jerome, benitez or mcfadden may do it next year, as I said goodnight I'll dream for us both
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Jimbo
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Willie this brings back some memories, all we need is jads, st George and the loon
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Mar 24 2010, 11:06 PM
Willie this brings back some memories, all we need is jads, st George and the loon

You forgot Chelms he won't be happy :LOL:

We will have to have a reunion one day the beers are on you. :drink:

take care mate...
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Mar 24 2010, 10:59 PM
in01_saund
Mar 24 2010, 10:54 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 10:43 PM
in01_saund
Mar 24 2010, 10:39 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 10:38 PM
once again the have been below average, most of the others have been playing excellent and at times (mostly) carried them.

agree with u squad players but mcfadden and larrsons heart doesn't seem in it and the other 2 are not good enough

Absolute rubbish, 2 of them started on the bench, 1 scored our goal and the other has scored 4 goals in the last 4 games and is our top scorer.

2 started on bench (wonder why)

top scorer (oh yer forgot he has 20 oh sorry 10 oh no how many was it)

scored tonight (wow lets keep him, john gayle scored 2 at wembley let buy him back)

It doesnt matter how many he's on he's still our top scorer which means he has been more effective than any of our other strikers so he would be the one we needed to keep most.
He has been better than O'Connor Bent and Phillips this season so unless you want rid of all 4 leaving us needing to find 4 new stikers for next season Jerome is the last person that should be out the door.

Who said the others were better (not me) and please answer the other 2 statistics in (). So jeromes great as he's scored more than the others when u add the 3 together still don't get 10 goals. Prem class yippee can't wait for your wish list

Well if theyre not better then surely you would want them out the door before Jerome?
They started on the bench because Mcleish has made new signings and he wants to see them play and give game time to other sqaud players like Fahey.
Where does John Gayle come into it? You said these players were below average once again yet Mcfadden scored our only goal today.
Jerome is prem class he's the 15th highest scoring player in the league, theres 9 teams in this league who havent got a player with that many goals.

We can't expect Mcleish to replace our whole squad in such a short space of time we have to build on what we already have, that means holding onto our current best players and gradually phasing out the squad players and replacing them with players that will improve us.
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Mar 24 2010, 11:09 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 11:06 PM
Willie this brings back some memories, all we need is jads, st George and the loon

You forgot Chelms he won't be happy :LOL:

We will have to have a reunion one day the beers are on you. :drink:

take care mate...

he was a give, and already got a mention, it'll goto his hairy head.

would be good, as i said earlier you pair are paying :)
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"We can't expect Mcleish to replace our whole squad in such a short space of time we have to build on what we already have, that means holding onto our current best players and gradually phasing out the squad players and replacing them with players that will improve us. "

must agree with the above spot on, but even u must admit the 4 mentioned are not pulling their weight (friendly tactics) ;)
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Mar 24 2010, 11:16 PM
"We can't expect Mcleish to replace our whole squad in such a short space of time we have to build on what we already have, that means holding onto our current best players and gradually phasing out the squad players and replacing them with players that will improve us. "

must agree with the above spot on, but even u must admit the 4 mentioned are not pulling their weight (friendly tactics) ;)

I guess it depends on what you expect from them, I was expecting us to be fighting relegation all season so im over the moon with where we are now and don't like criticising the players for what has been a great season **thumbup
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Mar 24 2010, 11:20 PM
Jimbo
Mar 24 2010, 11:16 PM
"We can't expect Mcleish to replace our whole squad in such a short space of time we have to build on what we already have, that means holding onto our current best players and gradually phasing out the squad players and replacing them with players that will improve us. "

must agree with the above spot on, but even u must admit the 4 mentioned are not pulling their weight (friendly tactics) ;)

I guess it depends on what you expect from them, I was expecting us to be fighting relegation all season so im over the moon with where we are now and don't like criticising the players for what has been a great season **thumbup

Agreed but it could be even better. but this being Birmingham city we never do anything easy.
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Mar 24 2010, 10:50 PM
That is too far , mcliesh has done well deserves the credit, and yes I'm looking forward to the summer andnext season under him

The summer can't come quick enough......
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I fear for any players coming into Blues in the summer...especially if they're brought in to score goals...as if they dont have 20 by January, they'll be labelled a waste of money and become the target of fans criticism
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We need:

  • A target man with a belligerent nature
  • A quick striker who snaps at the heels
  • At least one orthodox winger
  • A pacey orthodox left back
  • Generally play wih more pace
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Mar 24 2010, 11:16 PM
"We can't expect Mcleish to replace our whole squad in such a short space of time we have to build on what we already have, that means holding onto our current best players and gradually phasing out the squad players and replacing them with players that will improve us. "

must agree with the above spot on, but even u must admit the 4 mentioned are not pulling their weight (friendly tactics) ;)

Spot on mate,and great to see you again ,
There will be players moving on ,natural wastage,players getting on ,keep the others and get 4 or 5 QUALITY players in,
now im sure I said that before,
Then the players we have will only improve with better players around them,
But there in a nutshell is Blues big problem year after year.Not getting those 3 or 4 Quality players.they cost money you see.
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Mar 24 2010, 10:10 PM
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Mar 24 2010, 10:03 PM
mcfadden, larsson, jerome, benitez......they are supposed to be our big players, even ridgewell's (credit when it's due) playing better. not as if it was just today but they have been well below average all season.
waste of time keep them on the bench.......very disappointed, it's like why bother we have reach or 40 points, same as 2nd prem season about 5 years ago.............then again it wouldn't be blues if they didn't give u a kick in the boll..cks to bring u down  :banghead:

What about getting rid AM as well?

Boring football at St Andrews, in love with 451, Doesnt learn from his mistakes, keeps playing his favourites..Has had a lucky season!!


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Time will tell Kev.

Fahey :LMAO:
what a joke, keeps playing Fahey :LMAO:

I try to give McLeish a chance..but why does he keep playing Fahey?

In the summer just get rid of Fahey, O'Connor and Bent (for good).

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Mar 25 2010, 08:00 AM

Fahey :LMAO:
what a joke, keeps playing Fahey :LMAO:

I try to give McLeish a chance..but why does he keep playing Fahey?

In the summer just get rid of Fahey, O'Connor and Bent (for good).

tell you what Lowdham, oblige me with answering this.

we have an under-strength squad at the moment, in all areas of the park.
the manager has limited funds, so we're to believe, because of the debts at the club and the gates we're getting.
the squad desperately needs to bring in at least one decent striker and a left-back
some of the under-strength squad are out of contract and either need to re-sign or be let go...

using the 3 players you've mentioned - Fahey, Bent and O'Connor - tell me, and be realistic, what you would do and why the players (above) should not be retained in the squad and how you would replace them whilst adding the numbers/quality we need.

cheers.
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Mar 25 2010, 08:11 AM
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Mar 25 2010, 08:00 AM

Fahey :LMAO:
what a joke, keeps playing Fahey :LMAO:

I try to give McLeish a chance..but why does he keep playing Fahey?

In the summer just get rid of Fahey, O'Connor and Bent (for good).

tell you what Lowdham, oblige me with answering this.

we have an under-strength squad at the moment, in all areas of the park.
the manager has limited funds, so we're to believe, because of the debts at the club and the gates we're getting.
the squad desperately needs to bring in at least one decent striker and a left-back
some of the under-strength squad are out of contract and either need to re-sign or be let go...

using the 3 players you've mentioned - Fahey, Bent and O'Connor - tell me, and be realistic, what you would do and why the players (above) should not be retained in the squad and how you would replace them whilst adding the numbers/quality we need.

cheers.

O'Connor and Bent - simply not good enough. Sell them and save on their wages

Fahey - again not up to it in the Prem. Buy a quality midfielder to replace and use the three players' wages to remunerate him.

As the meerkat says, simples.

Penguin, do you honestly see a role for any of these three players IF we are to be a top10 club?

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Mar 25 2010, 08:23 AM
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Mar 25 2010, 08:11 AM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2010, 08:00 AM

Fahey :LMAO:
what a joke, keeps playing Fahey :LMAO:

I try to give McLeish a chance..but why does he keep playing Fahey?

In the summer just get rid of Fahey, O'Connor and Bent (for good).

tell you what Lowdham, oblige me with answering this.

we have an under-strength squad at the moment, in all areas of the park.
the manager has limited funds, so we're to believe, because of the debts at the club and the gates we're getting.
the squad desperately needs to bring in at least one decent striker and a left-back
some of the under-strength squad are out of contract and either need to re-sign or be let go...

using the 3 players you've mentioned - Fahey, Bent and O'Connor - tell me, and be realistic, what you would do and why the players (above) should not be retained in the squad and how you would replace them whilst adding the numbers/quality we need.

cheers.

O'Connor and Bent - simply not good enough. Sell them and save on their wages

Fahey - again not up to it in the Prem. Buy a quality midfielder to replace and use the three players' wages to remunerate him.

As the meerkat says, simples.

Penguin, do you honestly see a role for any of these three players IF we are to be a top10 club?

as you say SIMPLES... yet you haven't explained how much you think we will get for these players and what it would take, in your opinion, to replace them.

all you say is that they're not good enough - not even as a squad player...
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Mar 25 2010, 08:39 AM
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Mar 25 2010, 08:23 AM
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Mar 25 2010, 08:11 AM
lowdham bluenose
Mar 25 2010, 08:00 AM

Fahey :LMAO:
what a joke, keeps playing Fahey :LMAO:

I try to give McLeish a chance..but why does he keep playing Fahey?

In the summer just get rid of Fahey, O'Connor and Bent (for good).

tell you what Lowdham, oblige me with answering this.

we have an under-strength squad at the moment, in all areas of the park.
the manager has limited funds, so we're to believe, because of the debts at the club and the gates we're getting.
the squad desperately needs to bring in at least one decent striker and a left-back
some of the under-strength squad are out of contract and either need to re-sign or be let go...

using the 3 players you've mentioned - Fahey, Bent and O'Connor - tell me, and be realistic, what you would do and why the players (above) should not be retained in the squad and how you would replace them whilst adding the numbers/quality we need.

cheers.

O'Connor and Bent - simply not good enough. Sell them and save on their wages

Fahey - again not up to it in the Prem. Buy a quality midfielder to replace and use the three players' wages to remunerate him.

As the meerkat says, simples.

Penguin, do you honestly see a role for any of these three players IF we are to be a top10 club?

as you say SIMPLES... yet you haven't explained how much you think we will get for these players and what it would take, in your opinion, to replace them.

all you say is that they're not good enough - not even as a squad player...

Bent will be on a free, Fahey can go for what we bought him and O'Connor can go for a minimal amount.

The freeing up of their wages is what will benefit us.

They are no way good enough for our squad so why carry deadwood? That's if you want our club to be an established top10 club. I do believe many on here are still Trottered and are programmed to yo-yoing.

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Mar 25 2010, 08:44 AM

Bent will be on a free, Fahey can go for what we bought him and O'Connor can go for a minimal amount.

The freeing up of their wages is what will benefit us.

They are no way good enough for our squad so why carry deadwood? That's if you want our club to be an established top10 club. I do believe many on here are still Trottered and are programmed to yo-yoing.

ok then, thanks although you still haven't answered my question fully...

Bent = free, as you say
Fahey = for the price we bought him for... did we pay a fee for him?
O'Connor = minimal amount

so you're willing to let these 3 players go, for what let's say £500k or a £1m. now tell me how you will replace 3 Premier League squad players for that amount or not much more, given that our budget surely will be used to bring in a wide player, full back and at least one striker.

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Realistically, I'd expect Larsson to go elsewhere, Johnson to be snapped up by Chelsea for around £14 million, and maybe even Scott Dann to go to a bigger club. O'Connor to a jock club, McSheffrey to continue at Leeds. Fahey to a Championship club. That means overhaulling the defence, getting wingers and more firepower.
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Fahey is good, he could do with a loan next season to a champ side to get his confidence up.
He's very top champ player, don't know about prem but he could be average player.

I'm sure that all of this negativity and moaningabout him doesn't help.

He'll b better soon, first season in the prem so I think he's doin well
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i do believe we can build on this season and become a top 10 club with mcliesh, but with the players mentioned (all of them in this thread) it won't be achievable as not consistant.

look at the top 11 clubs all have big name players (except ours), then the teams below that ie sunderland, portsmouth they have big names ok portsmouth in trouble through various situations but better individual players than ours.

you imagine us having bent and jones up front with larsson and mcfadden playing how they can and should play!!!!
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Jimbo, if you remove the top 4 clubs and look at any other club below that they have a good mix of very talented and good players... it's the size and depth of their squad that matters.

Everton are a great example. they've struggled with so many injuries this season that really exposed their squad. now they're back the team's doing great.

at the start of the season who would have wanted Zamora? now he's knocking on the England door... you need a good strong squad and team spirit. i believe we have the latter...

with regard to the 3 players mentioned i think Bent could/should be allowed to go - he's contributed nothing during his time here. O'Connor i think would be a good squad player that we can call on for something different in games we're struggling to win - he's an ability to win the ball and hold it up and has proved he has pace too, although that might be getting away from him now with the injuries he's had. he wouldn't be my first choice but i wouldn't mind him to give the squad depth.

Fahey is a good midfielder who is playing out of position. this is his first season in the Premier League and i think he's doing a credible job. he's the type of player that can be an unsung hero... give him time, keep him in the squad because he works hard for the team and can create chances...

i can't understand why we would want to let squad players go when we have a limited budget and an already small squad!
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