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Smoking In Cars To Be Banned
Topic Started: Mar 25 2010, 05:02 PM (850 Views)
treetop
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the vast majority of people are responsible, even binge drinking students.
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ballyblue
Mar 26 2010, 11:12 AM
I find it quite hard to smoke and drive at the same time so it won't mater to me if they do ban it.

Thing is though isn't this a form of persecution?

One more freedom removed from a person not breaking any laws sounds very facsist to me.

what about the freedom of someone locked ina car with you when your smoking (not a dig at you but just another perspective to the argument)

I was always a very conciencious smoker. I never smoked in someones house who never smoked, if I was at a table in a pub and out of 7 of us only I smoked I would not smoke at the table (obviously this is before the ban) so even when I did smoke I felt like I was not harming anyone or trying my utmost to not harm anyone.

Unfortunatley, most people are not the same and do not think nor care for other peoples
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Mar 26 2010, 02:55 PM
I'm always surprised when people automatically jump to the alcohol Vs smoking debate as some kind of defence for smokers. The bottom line is if i sit next to you and i'm drinking a pint of lager in no way does that dramatically increase your likelyhood of getting cancer.

Tilt if you're sitting next to someone who smokes and you don't like it just get up and move, that's what I do simples.
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treetop
Mar 26 2010, 04:05 PM
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the vast majority of people are responsible, even binge drinking students.
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They are, dont believe the hype.
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I presume that the people in support of various bans and restrictions, are not the same people who complain regularly about the "nanny state" and curtailment of freedoms.
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Mar 26 2010, 03:15 PM
treetop
Mar 26 2010, 04:05 PM
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the vast majority of people are responsible, even binge drinking students.
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They are, dont believe the hype.

Sorry blue but I have witnessed the so called responsible binge drinking students first hand. I can assure you it ain't hype.
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treetop
Mar 26 2010, 10:33 AM
wardendbluenose
Mar 25 2010, 09:34 PM
Where is Tubs2? I miss our 'lengthy' discussions on smoking related topics.

tubs2 did a runner when someone on this forum dared to question his opinions.

Getting back to smoking in cars, as a non smoker myself I can understand the health issues if there are kids on board. But surely the space in someones own vehicle is a private space. Personally I think the government are slowly becoming a dictatorship. The wisdom of pooley comes into question as well if they banned smoking altogether then it would go underground as would drinking etc, which inevitably leads to more crime. we all know the problems drugs cause.

I totally agree with what you are saying. If there is next to no risk to anyone else, or at least someone who don't mind smoking then what is the problem. It just seems another step to being controlled by the government.

By the way, the people who are calling for a ban on alcohol aswell. It's like saying we will ban bacon butties and chips because there are a few fatties spoiling it for the rest of us.

Clamp down on the idiots who take the mick rather than spoiling it for the majority.
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pooley
Mar 26 2010, 03:05 PM
ballyblue
Mar 26 2010, 11:12 AM
I find it quite hard to smoke and drive at the same time so it won't mater to me if they do ban it.

Thing is though isn't this a form of persecution?

One more freedom removed from a person not breaking any laws sounds very facsist to me.

what about the freedom of someone locked ina car with you when your smoking (not a dig at you but just another perspective to the argument)

I was always a very conciencious smoker. I never smoked in someones house who never smoked, if I was at a table in a pub and out of 7 of us only I smoked I would not smoke at the table (obviously this is before the ban) so even when I did smoke I felt like I was not harming anyone or trying my utmost to not harm anyone.

Unfortunatley, most people are not the same and do not think nor care for other peoples

My main disagreement with the smoking ban is that it is not an illegel thing so a freedom has been earased from society because if you don't smoke you are not banned from places where smoking was aloud it is that persons choice to use those areas.

I am a considerate smoke I do my best to limit my smoking around my children such as at home and in the car I also think about other people who don't smoke.

I am for real freedom as long as it's not an illegel act , we all have the right to make choices but in this instance there is no choice so a freedom has been removed and I just think that if there going to use health as the reason for a ban on anything then how long will it be befor things like chocolate mcdonnalds and everything else that is unhealthy is banned.

I did here in the week that there also thinking of expanding the ban to doorways, outside pubs, and the home so inafect if they get there way you can buy cigarettes but can't smoke them making it an illegel act.

I have no problem with the smoking ban I do have a problem with it interfering with a persons home life that to me is against a persons human rights.

I here the mps can smoke in parliment and across Europe so is that right?
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tiltontrev
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treetop
Mar 26 2010, 04:10 PM
tiltontrev
Mar 26 2010, 02:55 PM
I'm always surprised when people automatically jump to the alcohol Vs smoking debate as some kind of defence for smokers. The bottom line is if i sit next to you and i'm drinking a pint of lager in no way does that dramatically increase your likelyhood of getting cancer.

Tilt if you're sitting next to someone who smokes and you don't like it just get up and move, that's what I do simples.

Why should i? if my habbit isn't affecting them but theirs in affecting me then surely the onus is on them?


I dont mind by the way, i sit amongst smokers all the time because i choose to, i'm just playing devils advocate here. If someone smokes around my child though then thats a different story.
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tiltontrev
Mar 26 2010, 02:55 PM
I'm always surprised when people automatically jump to the alcohol Vs smoking debate as some kind of defence for smokers. The bottom line is if i sit next to you and i'm drinking a pint of lager in no way does that dramatically increase your likelyhood of getting cancer.

But it would increase the chances of getting a headache... :D and depression... :LOL:




Only kidding with you.. **thumbup
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How long before we're banned from smoking in our own homes?
What if you live in a car?

It's a load of nonsense from this bulls**t government as usual.
The smoking ban in pubs & clubs is a joke as well, how many pubs have already closed in the UK, and are continuing to close at alarming rates?
Communities have been destroyed. First the post offices, now the pubs are either shut or bereft of any life. Is it a ploy to get us all to subscribe to Sky?

What would be wrong with smoking only pubs? Staff could choose whether they wanted to work in a smoking environment or not, and sign a waiver before they start. Some wouldn't do it, but most would.

We are becoming a nanny state. All the pollution cars spurt out all over the country, and we can't smoke in one. If it wasn't so ridiculously true you'd laugh.
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i am 16 years old and personally dont like cigarettes.

however im beginning to feel sorry for smokers. smoking is a right that any human being has and taking away someones rights is not on.

as far as kids are concerned, parents smoking in cars with them obviously aint the best but my dad smoked in the car whenever i was present and i have to say this has made my decision not to smoke much, much easier and i feel my health has not suffered for it.

the government will never ban cigarettes. if they did they would lose millions and 'drug dealers' would pocket the money and who knows what the money will be used for?
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Mar 27 2010, 02:40 AM
however im beginning to feel sorry for smokers. smoking is a right that any human being has and taking away someones rights is not on.

So what about weed and other drugs which are illegal? Surely if smoking tobacco is a human right then so are all the others?
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Over here it is illegal to smoke in your car if there is a child under sixteen in it. People have been arrested. It is also illegal to smoke in company owned vehicle.
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Mar 27 2010, 02:57 AM
dekaz- KRO
Mar 27 2010, 02:40 AM
however im beginning to feel sorry for smokers. smoking is a right that any human being has and taking away someones rights is not on.

So what about weed and other drugs which are illegal? Surely if smoking tobacco is a human right then so are all the others?

Lol I wondered when this little ditty would rear it's head.

Smoking tobbaco is legal

smoking canabis is illegal

Just clearing that up for you :P
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ballyblue
Mar 27 2010, 09:56 AM
Steve
Mar 27 2010, 02:57 AM
dekaz- KRO
Mar 27 2010, 02:40 AM
however im beginning to feel sorry for smokers. smoking is a right that any human being has and taking away someones rights is not on.

So what about weed and other drugs which are illegal? Surely if smoking tobacco is a human right then so are all the others?

Lol I wondered when this little ditty would rear it's head.

Smoking tobbaco is legal

smoking canabis is illegal

Just clearing that up for you :P

yes but smoking in public places is now illegal.

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A smoking ban in England, making it illegal to smoke in all enclosed public places and enclosed work places in England, came into force on 1 July 2007. Similar bans had already been introduced by the rest of the United Kingdom — Scotland on 26 March 2006, Wales on 2 April 2007 and Northern Ireland on 30 April 2007.

Therefore smoking in public is as illegal and smoking weed. The whole 'taking away a personal freedom to do something' is a silly statement to make. How about murder, because thats illegal we take away someones freedom to take another life people dont moan about not beng allowed that freedom, yet through passive smoking what people who smoke are doing is slowl killing themselves as well as others.
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You can smoke in your own home, but if a burglar breaks in then you have to put it out as technically, that becomes his workplace.
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baron von bluenose
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if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

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baron von bluenose
Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

exactly = how many people ended up on heroin and other substances from starting off smoking
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baron von bluenose
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if i worked in a harmfull enviroment like a smokers den health and safety would sort it out, its the same thing
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pooley
Mar 27 2010, 10:06 AM
ballyblue
Mar 27 2010, 09:56 AM
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Mar 27 2010, 02:57 AM
dekaz- KRO
Mar 27 2010, 02:40 AM
however im beginning to feel sorry for smokers. smoking is a right that any human being has and taking away someones rights is not on.

So what about weed and other drugs which are illegal? Surely if smoking tobacco is a human right then so are all the others?

Lol I wondered when this little ditty would rear it's head.

Smoking tobbaco is legal

smoking canabis is illegal

Just clearing that up for you :P

yes but smoking in public places is now illegal.

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A smoking ban in England, making it illegal to smoke in all enclosed public places and enclosed work places in England, came into force on 1 July 2007. Similar bans had already been introduced by the rest of the United Kingdom — Scotland on 26 March 2006, Wales on 2 April 2007 and Northern Ireland on 30 April 2007.

Therefore smoking in public is as illegal and smoking weed. The whole 'taking away a personal freedom to do something' is a silly statement to make. How about murder, because thats illegal we take away someones freedom to take another life people dont moan about not beng allowed that freedom, yet through passive smoking what people who smoke are doing is slowl killing themselves as well as others.

True but I was refering to the post that said why can't we smoke drugs , they are illegal smoking cigarettes isn't that is what makes this law appressive.

Smokers are now being seen as second class citizens I thought this country was against such behaviour.
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Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

How do you come to the conclusion that banning smoking will stop people smoking drugs?

All that would happen is dealers would make even more money from selling cigarettes.
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Mar 27 2010, 02:56 PM
baron von bluenose
Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

exactly = how many people ended up on heroin and other substances from starting off smoking

I would say 100% but that's not to say that 100% of smokers become drugies does it and those that smoke drugs won't become adicts to harder drugs , only those who have an adictive trait become drug addicts because you can't become an addict smoking drugs.
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pooley
Mar 27 2010, 02:56 PM
baron von bluenose
Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

exactly = how many people ended up on heroin and other substances from starting off smoking

How many hit & run drivers started off by learning to drive?
How many obese people became fat by eating?
How many paedophiles started by having regular, adult sex?
How many murderers learned to shoot by playing cowboys & indians?

If smoking was banned, it would go underground. Marijuana is illegal, cocaine is illegal, driving over 30mph in built up areas is illegal, has that stopped it? It seems to add to the thrill of it all if you ask me.

You lot really should think about what you post. I understand many people are anti smoking, but it's already been banned indoors, what more do you want? Surely you can't be agreeing with what the government are trying to do here? If this ban comes in I will ignore it, and have my day in court.
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how many smokers do you hear saying i wish id never started
how many smokers would encourage there kids to smoke
how many kids will see there parents die from smoking related diseases
there addicts and smoking is there addiction.

smoking not a good thing the govt put strict warnings on the packs of how bad they really are, SMOKING KILLS, in big letters

for the sakes of future generations get rid of it.

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