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Smoking In Cars To Be Banned
Topic Started: Mar 25 2010, 05:02 PM (849 Views)
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Fags and booze wreck lives, simple.

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I would agree with a ban on smoking in enclosed vehicles where under-16's are present although I find it amazing that anyone has to be told to do it. But then, with so many youngsters on this forum, I find it just as alarming that so many adult members glorify beer drinking and that the most used 'smilie' is the beer glass - possibly by the very same people who would want smoking banned completely!

I've smoked heavily for around 60 years. Yet visits to my GP have averaged once every 15 years and most of those visits have been to have my ears syringed; none due to the effects of smoking.

I would never promote smoking - I would urge every youngster to avoid starting the habit, moreso because of the cost rather than any assumed health hazard. With the recent budget rise, my pack of 200 costs £60 of which around 80% is tax in one form or another.

A couple of years ago, my 87 year old brother-in-law had breathing problems and his doc asked him if he smoked. My BiL said he didn't but he used to and stopped about 40 years ago. The doc concluded that his breathing problems were caused by smoking. The fact that my BiL had worked in oil suds for most of his life or that he lives on a busy main road (Meadway) or that his house is directly under a flight-path was never considered by the quack. My BiL is now part of those 'smoking related illness statisics.

Tobacco has been branded as the evil of all evils and the cause of all diseases known to man. Yet, if we look at groups of people and use of medical services, we see that generally non-smoking nationals are a greater burden on these resources.
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Mar 28 2010, 06:51 AM
pooley
Mar 27 2010, 02:56 PM
baron von bluenose
Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

exactly = how many people ended up on heroin and other substances from starting off smoking

How many hit & run drivers started off by learning to drive?
How many obese people became fat by eating?
How many paedophiles started by having regular, adult sex?
How many murderers learned to shoot by playing cowboys & indians?

If smoking was banned, it would go underground. Marijuana is illegal, cocaine is illegal, driving over 30mph in built up areas is illegal, has that stopped it? It seems to add to the thrill of it all if you ask me.

You lot really should think about what you post. I understand many people are anti smoking, but it's already been banned indoors, what more do you want? Surely you can't be agreeing with what the government are trying to do here? If this ban comes in I will ignore it, and have my day in court.

so your reasoning for not banning it is because it will make it more thrilling?

I suggest you rethink what you post when you seem to glorify driving over th limit and make it sound thrilling and attractive to do
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there addicts and smoking is there addiction.


That's just the point baron they are addicts. They can't just stop it, I agree many do but many just can't.
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Mar 28 2010, 04:43 PM
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there addicts and smoking is there addiction.


That's just the point baron they are addicts. They can't just stop it, I agree many do but many just can't.

addiction is an easy cop out and excuse if you ask me and the whole 'excuse' culture is another plague the same as that of smoking

"I cant stop smoking because im addicted" - other 'addicts' manage it

"I cant stop smoking because i get tpoo stressed without it" - scientific evidence proves smoking actualy INCREASES stress so another cop out

"I smoke beause it doesnt harm anyone" - apart from yourself and other around you

"Its upto me if I want to smoke and kill myself" - it is, but if you want to kill yourself there are cheaper quicker and easier ways...and also ways which dont hurt or harm others

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addiction is an easy cop out and excuse if you ask me and the whole 'excuse' culture is another plague the same as that of smoking


So you're saying all addicts not just smokers alcoholics etc any addict is lying then it's just an excuse.



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"I cant stop smoking because im addicted" - other 'addicts' manage it


As I said some addicts manage it and good luck to them but many can't.

A very close friend of mine went to see a doctor to try and quit smoking (which they managed to do in the end by the way) but the doctor told my friend "What many people don't realise is that it is harder to quit smoking than it is to quit heroin". I don't know how much truth is in that statement but an addict is an addict. being addicted and having a habit are two different things.
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Mar 28 2010, 05:23 PM
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addiction is an easy cop out and excuse if you ask me and the whole 'excuse' culture is another plague the same as that of smoking


So you're saying all addicts not just smokers alcoholics etc any addict is lying then it's just an excuse.



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"I cant stop smoking because im addicted" - other 'addicts' manage it


As I said some addicts manage it and good luck to them but many can't.

A very close friend of mine went to see a doctor to try and quit smoking (which they managed to do in the end by the way) but the doctor told my friend "What many people don't realise is that it is harder to quit smoking than it is to quit heroin". I don't know how much truth is in that statement but an addict is an addict. being addicted and having a habit are two different things.

think claiming to be an addict imediatley waivers responsibility in a lot of peopes eyes and takes the focus off "so and so is a **** head" or "so and so is a smack head" and puts it on "isnt it a shame for so and so to be addicted to alcohol/heroin" it makes a convenient excuse for people to take blame and responsibility from their shoulders and to pass the buck so to speak
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pooley
Mar 28 2010, 04:40 PM
bluenose abroad
Mar 28 2010, 06:51 AM
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Mar 27 2010, 02:56 PM
baron von bluenose
Mar 27 2010, 02:46 PM
if they just banned smoking full stop all the druggies would be gone, the next generation would be clean from this filthy habbit.
smokers would need support but wouldnt it be great,

i hate the mess of the smell of it the harm it causes.

exactly = how many people ended up on heroin and other substances from starting off smoking

How many hit & run drivers started off by learning to drive?
How many obese people became fat by eating?
How many paedophiles started by having regular, adult sex?
How many murderers learned to shoot by playing cowboys & indians?

If smoking was banned, it would go underground. Marijuana is illegal, cocaine is illegal, driving over 30mph in built up areas is illegal, has that stopped it? It seems to add to the thrill of it all if you ask me.

You lot really should think about what you post. I understand many people are anti smoking, but it's already been banned indoors, what more do you want? Surely you can't be agreeing with what the government are trying to do here? If this ban comes in I will ignore it, and have my day in court.

so your reasoning for not banning it is because it will make it more thrilling?

I suggest you rethink what you post when you seem to glorify driving over th limit and make it sound thrilling and attractive to do

I'm not glorifying speeding at all, please read the post properly.

What I am saying is that by banning something, it is not necessarily going to make it go away. You then use the bombastic relation to smoking making people heroin addicts, which is just plainly ridiculous. Some people are thrill seekers, you yourself would like to become a lifeguard....why, exactly?

Is it because you are genuinely interested in saving lives, or because you'd have licence to blow your whistle and tell people what and what not to do? Rather like you do on here since you (somehow) amazingly were elevated to mod status.

Stick to your wrestlemania & cake threads pooley, it's about your level.
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Mar 28 2010, 08:10 AM
Fags and booze wreck lives, simple.

Financially yes

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But imagine what the Government are raking in !!



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Mar 28 2010, 08:10 AM
Fags and booze wreck lives, simple.

But so does gambling

In moderation , booze is actually beneficial according to most doctors

There's an old saying ......."If you ever drink more than your Doctor then start worrying ""


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Mar 28 2010, 08:10 AM
Fags and booze wreck lives, simple.

But so does gambling

In moderation , booze is actually beneficial according to most doctors

There's an old saying ......."If you ever drink more than your Doctor then start worrying ""


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they also thought smoking was good for you once upon a time.

Also wasnt heroin provided to soliders during ww1 as a 'harmless' pain relief and a pick me up
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And cocaine was originally an ingredient of Coca Cola and was then banned after prohibition ended in the US about 1933/34.
The new 'liqour lobby' after prohibition put paid to coke as it was a huge competition to them with it being sold to any age group.

Mary Jane got the same treatment from the tobacco industry in the US in the 30s. Although it was cheaper, had no added chemicals and no carcigonens it was a huge threat.

We are where we are, with chemically adulterated tobacco and alcohol aimed at kids, because of big business.

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amazing thing i learnt today is that people have started growing tobacco leaves to dry and smoke themselves and the guys i knew who were doing it all said its better and they dont cough there guts up like they used to with the packet stuff, i was amazed,
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Just think on though, if people stated to quit smoking then the govornment will stick the tax that is currently on cigarrettes on to something else

vicious circle that it is!

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its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.
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Mar 29 2010, 06:15 PM
its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.

Even then last year tax & vat of cigarettes amounted to £10 Billion and Alchohol contributed £8.2 Billion.

So lets says the banners get their way and smoking is banned in 2008/09 there were 31,700,000 people paying tax in the UK (HMRC Figures) so that would work out at an extra £315.45 per year each to make up for the short fall. Then lets jump on the band wagon and ban booze, never worked in the US in the 20's but hey what the heck while were at it, that would add another £258.68 on to your tax. So that's a total of £574.13 on to your bill each year or £47.84 per month.

And don't forget all you non-smoking teetotallers it's you who'll be paying us smokers and drinkers will be laughing because we'll actually be saving money

Don't think the government is going to reduce tax by any because the NHS will have less to deal with because it's all going to be taken up by the extra work required to Police the ban. :rolleyes:

Old Chinese proverb say - Be careful what you wish for :D
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Mar 29 2010, 05:03 PM
amazing thing i learnt today is that people have started growing tobacco leaves to dry and smoke themselves and the guys i knew who were doing it all said its better and they dont cough there guts up like they used to with the packet stuff, i was amazed,

Because home grown tobacco leaves don't have nicotine added like mass produced cigarettes.
It's the nicotine people are addicted to, not tobacco.
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Mar 29 2010, 07:14 PM
pooley
Mar 29 2010, 06:15 PM
its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.

Even then last year tax & vat of cigarettes amounted to £10 Billion and Alchohol contributed £8.2 Billion.

So lets says the banners get their way and smoking is banned in 2008/09 there were 31,700,000 people paying tax in the UK (HMRC Figures) so that would work out at an extra £315.45 per year each to make up for the short fall. Then lets jump on the band wagon and ban booze, never worked in the US in the 20's but hey what the heck while were at it, that would add another £258.68 on to your tax. So that's a total of £574.13 on to your bill each year or £47.84 per month.

And don't forget all you non-smoking teetotallers it's you who'll be paying us smokers and drinkers will be laughing because we'll actually be saving money

Don't think the government is going to reduce tax by any because the NHS will have less to deal with because it's all going to be taken up by the extra work required to Police the ban. :rolleyes:

Old Chinese proverb say - Be careful what you wish for :D

What about the cost to the country of cleaning up after smokers, doctors bills and hospital bills. The cost of policing towns all over the UK while thousands of drunken yobs pile into the streets at closing time and fight, cause trouble and require hospital treatment. It emerged this week that A&E departments are racking up huge police bills to cover the weekend rush when drunks cause trouble in hospitals for hardworking nurses and doctors who stitch them back together.
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Mar 29 2010, 07:14 PM
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Mar 29 2010, 06:15 PM
its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.

Even then last year tax & vat of cigarettes amounted to £10 Billion and Alchohol contributed £8.2 Billion.

So lets says the banners get their way and smoking is banned in 2008/09 there were 31,700,000 people paying tax in the UK (HMRC Figures) so that would work out at an extra £315.45 per year each to make up for the short fall. Then lets jump on the band wagon and ban booze, never worked in the US in the 20's but hey what the heck while were at it, that would add another £258.68 on to your tax. So that's a total of £574.13 on to your bill each year or £47.84 per month.

And don't forget all you non-smoking teetotallers it's you who'll be paying us smokers and drinkers will be laughing because we'll actually be saving money

Don't think the government is going to reduce tax by any because the NHS will have less to deal with because it's all going to be taken up by the extra work required to Police the ban. :rolleyes:

Old Chinese proverb say - Be careful what you wish for :D

What about the cost to the country of cleaning up after smokers, doctors bills and hospital bills. The cost of policing towns all over the UK while thousands of drunken yobs pile into the streets at closing time and fight, cause trouble and require hospital treatment. It emerged this week that A&E departments are racking up huge police bills to cover the weekend rush when drunks cause trouble in hospitals for hardworking nurses and doctors who stitch them back together.

I know DuDu but that's all covered by the tax paid by smokers & drinkers - Plus ban smoking and especially alcohol and say goodbye to possibly £millions in lost revenue from Tourism, an increase in unemployment of 10's of thousands as the breweries and pubs close down....in a town like Burton the place would be come a ghost town.

You're tax bill wouldn't just go up by £47.84 each month more like £60 to pay for the devastation of the local economies.

You see simply banning things because you don't like them or they cause problems or are harmful isn't a solution.

Tobacco & Alcohol have been legal industries in this country for hundreds of years you can't just wipe them out overnight without severe consequences.
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I honestly don't think a complete ban is either workable or the right thing to do. I do, however, think that there should be a ban on smoking when children are present. I hate to see people smoking while they're pushing kids in pushchairs.

I don't care what they do to their own health, but I think it is criminal when they inflict their habit on the kids.
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Mar 30 2010, 11:18 AM
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its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.

Even then last year tax & vat of cigarettes amounted to £10 Billion and Alchohol contributed £8.2 Billion.

So lets says the banners get their way and smoking is banned in 2008/09 there were 31,700,000 people paying tax in the UK (HMRC Figures) so that would work out at an extra £315.45 per year each to make up for the short fall. Then lets jump on the band wagon and ban booze, never worked in the US in the 20's but hey what the heck while were at it, that would add another £258.68 on to your tax. So that's a total of £574.13 on to your bill each year or £47.84 per month.

And don't forget all you non-smoking teetotallers it's you who'll be paying us smokers and drinkers will be laughing because we'll actually be saving money

Don't think the government is going to reduce tax by any because the NHS will have less to deal with because it's all going to be taken up by the extra work required to Police the ban. :rolleyes:

Old Chinese proverb say - Be careful what you wish for :D

What about the cost to the country of cleaning up after smokers, doctors bills and hospital bills. The cost of policing towns all over the UK while thousands of drunken yobs pile into the streets at closing time and fight, cause trouble and require hospital treatment. It emerged this week that A&E departments are racking up huge police bills to cover the weekend rush when drunks cause trouble in hospitals for hardworking nurses and doctors who stitch them back together.

I know DuDu but that's all covered by the tax paid by smokers & drinkers - Plus ban smoking and especially alcohol and say goodbye to possibly £millions in lost revenue from Tourism, an increase in unemployment of 10's of thousands as the breweries and pubs close down....in a town like Burton the place would be come a ghost town.

You're tax bill wouldn't just go up by £47.84 each month more like £60 to pay for the devastation of the local economies.

You see simply banning things because you don't like them or they cause problems or are harmful isn't a solution.

Tobacco & Alcohol have been legal industries in this country for hundreds of years you can't just wipe them out overnight without severe consequences.

Yeah, I'm not in favour of a total ban myself really. A chap who enjoys a glass of wine or a couple of cans in the comfort of his local or his own home is hurting no-one. Its the thousands of binge drinking idiots that need controlling. Equally smoking is the risk of the smoker, if he/she wants to smoke in their own house then thats fine too. Sadly I think some people do need legislation to be introduced as they're just too selfish or stupid not to smoke around kids.
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pooley
Mar 29 2010, 06:15 PM
its a bit false though, the amount they get from the tax on cigarettes because I'd say 9 out of every 10 people who smoke know someone at work/pub etc who get cigaretes of the back of a lorry and get them cheap without paying tax from abroad etc.

Even then last year tax & vat of cigarettes amounted to £10 Billion and Alchohol contributed £8.2 Billion.

So lets says the banners get their way and smoking is banned in 2008/09 there were 31,700,000 people paying tax in the UK (HMRC Figures) so that would work out at an extra £315.45 per year each to make up for the short fall. Then lets jump on the band wagon and ban booze, never worked in the US in the 20's but hey what the heck while were at it, that would add another £258.68 on to your tax. So that's a total of £574.13 on to your bill each year or £47.84 per month.

And don't forget all you non-smoking teetotallers it's you who'll be paying us smokers and drinkers will be laughing because we'll actually be saving money

Don't think the government is going to reduce tax by any because the NHS will have less to deal with because it's all going to be taken up by the extra work required to Police the ban. :rolleyes:

Old Chinese proverb say - Be careful what you wish for :D

What about the cost to the country of cleaning up after smokers, doctors bills and hospital bills. The cost of policing towns all over the UK while thousands of drunken yobs pile into the streets at closing time and fight, cause trouble and require hospital treatment. It emerged this week that A&E departments are racking up huge police bills to cover the weekend rush when drunks cause trouble in hospitals for hardworking nurses and doctors who stitch them back together.

I know DuDu but that's all covered by the tax paid by smokers & drinkers - Plus ban smoking and especially alcohol and say goodbye to possibly £millions in lost revenue from Tourism, an increase in unemployment of 10's of thousands as the breweries and pubs close down....in a town like Burton the place would be come a ghost town.

You're tax bill wouldn't just go up by £47.84 each month more like £60 to pay for the devastation of the local economies.

You see simply banning things because you don't like them or they cause problems or are harmful isn't a solution.

Tobacco & Alcohol have been legal industries in this country for hundreds of years you can't just wipe them out overnight without severe consequences.

Yeah, I'm not in favour of a total ban myself really. A chap who enjoys a glass of wine or a couple of cans in the comfort of his local or his own home is hurting no-one. Its the thousands of binge drinking idiots that need controlling. Equally smoking is the risk of the smoker, if he/she wants to smoke in their own house then thats fine too. Sadly I think some people do need legislation to be introduced as they're just too selfish or stupid not to smoke around kids.

But again thats not what would happen in the real world.

if smoking (and drinking since others mentioned it) was banned yes some jobs would be lost, but people wouldnt jut sit indoors would they? More people would do things like going out for meals, the cinema, bowling, gigs etc which in turn would create jobs in other fields

You do find with smoking people try and use 'shock/scare tactics' to make people think a smoking ban is bad (job losses/tax increases) but the negatives would be out weighed with the positives.
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Pooley.....if smoking (and drinking since others mentioned it) was banned yes some jobs would be lost, but people wouldnt jut sit indoors would they? More people would do things like going out for meals, the cinema, bowling, gigs etc which in turn would create jobs in other fields...


But could they afford it with all the extra tax they would be paying?
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Pooley.....if smoking (and drinking since others mentioned it) was banned yes some jobs would be lost, but people wouldnt jut sit indoors would they? More people would do things like going out for meals, the cinema, bowling, gigs etc which in turn would create jobs in other fields...


But could they afford it with all the extra tax they would be paying?

How do we know for sure what extra tax they would pay? People are guessing but noone knows for sure, another 'scare tactic'
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