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Things Do Even Themselves Out
Topic Started: Mar 29 2010, 09:54 AM (440 Views)
lordnewtown
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Back in January, we were 1-0 up against Man United, heading for what would have been an unbelievable victory. Then Patrice Evra drilled in a low cross towards Rooney, who was offside when the ball was played. With the ball clearly heading towards him, Dann I believe stretched out to prevent that from happening and diverted the ball into his own net for 1-1, giving us only a draw. The linesman flagged for offside but the referee overruled him.

For a while afterwards, the offside debate came up. Rooney was offside and under the old laws the goal would have been disallowed. But the stupidity of the modern law meant that because he didn't touch it, and in the ref's opinion, didn't interfere or gain an advantage, the goal stood.

On Saturday, Chucho was blatantly offside when the ball was dinked in, and under the old law it would have been offside. But Phillips wasn't, and it was HE to scored the goal, with Chucho not interfering or gaining an advantage in the ref's opinion.

Whether we like the offside rule or not, we have been denied, and GRANTED points against two of the big four this season because of the rule.
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ohhhnurse
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Spot on, we have had IMO more go for us this season than against us, as you say swings and rounabouts
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Lewis
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No such thing as swings and roundabouts, it is a man made fantasy to either excuse good luck or bad luck. I also believe there is no way these things can factually even themselves out. It would be a chance in a billion (an English billion at that) of it ever doing so.
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ohhhnurse
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Lewis
Mar 29 2010, 12:30 PM
No such thing as swings and roundabouts, it is a man made fantasy to either excuse good luck or bad luck. I also believe there is no way these things can factually even themselves out. It would be a chance in a billion (an English billion at that) of it ever doing so.

Of course there is swings and roundabouts, we have had decisions go for us in games and some go against us, one day you get a pen that was never a pen and visa versa which is the same for all prem teams...swings and roundabouts is just a way of saying that sometimes the luck is in your favour some times its not...e.g sometimes a linesman spots a ball over the line the next day hee doesn't. **thumbup
Over the years it equals itself out with all teams.
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Lewis
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It is mathematically impossible for these things to even themselves out. Not sure why anyone needs that excuse anyway.
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Blacksmith
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No, it's not mathematically impossible. It may be improbable but that does not mean it's impossible.
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Lewis
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I take you specific point, however for practical, not higher mathematical, purposes, it is impossible.
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bluenosedave
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It would be interesting to see how many of the decisions that have gone for us lately would of done so if we'd been down the bottom struggling......I sometimes think a lot of refs are guilty of refereeing the game based on whether they're likely to be refereeing both teams the next season or just one of them.

I thought Howard Webb didn't do too bad a job on saturday to be honest.
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These things do not even themselves out,
We should have had a stonewall penalty in the Worthington Cup Final in 2001, that would have given us a place in Europe and the cash that goes with it, we will never know what we could have gone onto achieve had that happened, these decisions happen and you just have to move on and get ready for the next match, soem decisions will go for us some will go against us but they do not even themselves out.
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onese
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But against another top 3 team we scored an onside goal that was disallowed, so out of those games its 2-1 against us :fishing:
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Jonaldo
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But when we played Everton at Goodison earlier in the season, didn't they have a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside? 2-2?

N'Gog penalty?

2-3

And some would argue, the free kick awarded to the Vile which they scored off against us...

So possibly 2-4? :crying:
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ohhhnurse
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Lewis
Mar 29 2010, 12:50 PM
It is mathematically impossible for these things to even themselves out. Not sure why anyone needs that excuse anyway.

Of cours not spot on 50/50...lets try it this way with you then....would you say that in some games we have been lucky yo win a game and in some games we have been unlucky to win a game due to some refs error?
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B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
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pompeys first goal in the cup....and ridgewells one that got away... :angry:
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lordnewtown
Mar 29 2010, 10:54 AM
Back in January, we were 1-0 up against Man United, heading for what would have been an unbelievable victory. Then Patrice Evra drilled in a low cross towards Rooney, who was offside when the ball was played. With the ball clearly heading towards him, Dann I believe stretched out to prevent that from happening and diverted the ball into his own net for 1-1, giving us only a draw. The linesman flagged for offside but the referee overruled him.

For a while afterwards, the offside debate came up. Rooney was offside and under the old laws the goal would have been disallowed. But the stupidity of the modern law meant that because he didn't touch it, and in the ref's opinion, didn't interfere or gain an advantage, the goal stood.

On Saturday, Chucho was blatantly offside when the ball was dinked in, and under the old law it would have been offside. But Phillips wasn't, and it was HE to scored the goal, with Chucho not interfering or gaining an advantage in the ref's opinion.

Whether we like the offside rule or not, we have been denied, and GRANTED points against two of the big four this season because of the rule.

This has nothing to do with things evening themselves out. :blink:

It is just an example of two correct decisions by match officials with regards to the offside law.
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ohhhnurse
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Mar 29 2010, 02:44 PM
pompeys first goal in the cup....and ridgewells one that got away... :angry:

Goal at Everton

Ngog pen.



see, swings and roundabouts.
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B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
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guest the pompey game had two swings and no bl**dy roundabouts :banghead:
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135 years of winning next to sweet FA i would suggest that we have not seen this theory proved..
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Mar 29 2010, 02:53 PM
guest the pompey game had two swings and no bl**dy roundabouts  :banghead:

I thought the Pompey defeat was a result of wrong tactics (ie playing not to lose) than it was swings and roundabouts.
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lordnewtown
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Mar 29 2010, 02:44 PM
lordnewtown
Mar 29 2010, 10:54 AM
Back in January, we were 1-0 up against Man United, heading for what would have been an unbelievable victory.  Then Patrice Evra drilled in a low cross towards Rooney, who was offside when the ball was played.  With the ball clearly heading towards him, Dann I believe stretched out to prevent that from happening and diverted the ball into his own net for 1-1, giving us only a draw.  The linesman flagged for offside but the referee overruled him.

For a while afterwards, the offside debate came up.  Rooney was offside and under the old laws the goal would have been disallowed.  But the stupidity of the modern law meant that because he didn't touch it, and in the ref's opinion, didn't interfere or gain an advantage, the goal stood.

On Saturday, Chucho was blatantly offside when the ball was dinked in, and under the old law it would have been offside.  But Phillips wasn't, and it was HE to scored the goal, with Chucho not interfering or gaining an advantage in the ref's opinion.

Whether we like the offside rule or not, we have been denied, and GRANTED points against two of the big four this season because of the rule.

This has nothing to do with things evening themselves out. :blink:

It is just an example of two correct decisions by match officials with regards to the offside law.

Yeah but in each, one team felt hard done by.
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blueblood
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lordnewtown
Mar 29 2010, 08:33 PM
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Mar 29 2010, 02:44 PM
lordnewtown
Mar 29 2010, 10:54 AM
Back in January, we were 1-0 up against Man United, heading for what would have been an unbelievable victory.  Then Patrice Evra drilled in a low cross towards Rooney, who was offside when the ball was played.  With the ball clearly heading towards him, Dann I believe stretched out to prevent that from happening and diverted the ball into his own net for 1-1, giving us only a draw.  The linesman flagged for offside but the referee overruled him.

For a while afterwards, the offside debate came up.  Rooney was offside and under the old laws the goal would have been disallowed.  But the stupidity of the modern law meant that because he didn't touch it, and in the ref's opinion, didn't interfere or gain an advantage, the goal stood.

On Saturday, Chucho was blatantly offside when the ball was dinked in, and under the old law it would have been offside.  But Phillips wasn't, and it was HE to scored the goal, with Chucho not interfering or gaining an advantage in the ref's opinion.

Whether we like the offside rule or not, we have been denied, and GRANTED points against two of the big four this season because of the rule.

This has nothing to do with things evening themselves out. :blink:

It is just an example of two correct decisions by match officials with regards to the offside law.

Yeah but in each, one team felt hard done by.

Every goal scored in football one team will feel hard done by because of their poor defending.

The offside law is fine.
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N'Gog dived against us

fahey dived against wigan

simples
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