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How Much Does Each Stand Hold?; capacity
Topic Started: Mar 29 2010, 02:53 PM (611 Views)
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Kenny Burns
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Mar 29 2010, 03:51 PM
The stats given when the ground was redeveloped were:

Kop: 11,000
Tilton: 7,000
Gil M: 7,700
Total: 29,500

suggesting the Main holds 3,800

replacing the Main and completing the 'horseshoe' shape was only going to add another 7,200 and take the capacity to around 37,000 and even if planning permission was ok, the finaical outlay could hardly be justified now grants are not available to support the cost

Think its more like

Kop - inlcuding Kop corner neear tilton = 12000
Tilton 7000
Gil Merrick 7700
Main stand 3500

= 30200 capacity but iis always less due to seggregation in gil merrick



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Garry Pendrey
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Mar 29 2010, 04:36 PM
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Mar 29 2010, 04:32 PM
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Mar 29 2010, 04:29 PM
midland red
Mar 29 2010, 03:11 PM
steeples
Mar 29 2010, 04:09 PM
i know the ground is 30,009

but we must remember that the true attendance is never announced for tax reasons. This is apparent when you look at the ground and there are hardly any seats left yet they announce 26000 attendance,

if you can hide 2000 paying customers from the tax man its a fair bit of doe

:LMAO:

How does it save Tax - could you explain this ?

well i had trouble with this also until it was explained to me, When it was explained to me there was lots of long words and stuff i did not explain until it was put to me like this


if they declare 29000 crowd then the tax on tickets sold ( not season tickets ) im assuming its VAT ? has to be paid but if there is 29000 there but they declare a crowd of 27000 for example they dont have to pay it on the 2000, as its nigh on impossible for the tax man to prove how many people are actually in the stadium, unless they have somone checking each and every turnstile




like i say i dont fully understand it but it does make sense. i mean i have looked round the ground when they declare the attendance and thought no chance so my accountant friend explained it to me

Simply wouldn't happen.

Get caught doing that sort of thing and your in big piles of it.
Ask a self employed person who has fiddled like that where their house has gone.

like i say i dont know pal. I know nothing of this sort of thing.

But nothing would surprise me with Sullivan especially, i mean he was investigated twice by the Fa or police or whoever it was

and i know loads of self employed blokes that fiddle like mad, there are some very good accountants out there that are very cleaver at hiding money. And the amount of cash jobs that get done is literally outragious

Infact id go as far to say most Self Employed people are on some sort of fiddle !!

If you think it is such a doddle mate, why not give it a go? All these folks who have a moan about the SE need a year or two to understand what it entails. If you dont have any work, no cash. aday off, no cash, feel ill, sorry you cant afford to be under the weather. Put money to a pension, mortgage, etc, bit difficult when you dont know when, or if you are going to get paid. Still keen, go and try it if you think it that easy.
Rant over.
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Mar 29 2010, 03:51 PM
The stats given when the ground was redeveloped were:

Kop: 11,000
Tilton: 7,000
Gil M: 7,700
Total: 29,500

suggesting the Main holds 3,800

replacing the Main and completing the 'horseshoe' shape was only going to add another 7,200 and take the capacity to around 37,000 and even if planning permission was ok, the finaical outlay could hardly be justified now grants are not available to support the cost

Correct, Main stand has always been 4,000 sisce the boxes went in
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SuttonBluenose
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These are the official ones from the company my uncle used to work for.

Main Stand 4,123 -Seats removed to make disabled seats, and boxes now just under 4,000
Tilton 8,000 approx
Spion Kop 10,000 approx
GM 8,000 approx-The mesh put across hte seats takes up around 200 seats.
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andyjjj
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Crazy to think we once had 66000 in St Andrews and that was with a tiny railway end stand!
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As I understand it, attendance is measured by electronically recorded turnstile clicks. A club would be very foolish to try to massage attendance figures.
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andyjjj
Mar 29 2010, 10:31 PM
Crazy to think we once had 66000 in St Andrews and that was with a tiny railway end stand!

The old spion kop was the biggest kop in the country before it was knocked down.
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Joeybluenose
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The tax fiddle used to happen at all grounds in the terrace day plus people used to jump the walls at grounds. It can't happen now with bar code and computerization surely??
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Mar 30 2010, 01:12 AM
andyjjj
Mar 29 2010, 10:31 PM
Crazy to think we once had 66000 in St Andrews and that was with a tiny railway end stand!

The old spion kop was the biggest kop in the country before it was knocked down.

From the far corner of the tilton to the bottom of the kop used to hold 48000 I was told
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My uncle who took me down when I was a kid used to give the guy on the turnstiles £2 to put us both thro on one turn of the stile. It was £1.30 to get in at the time, so the turnstile guy got 70p, I got in for 70p and the gate was one less.

But keep it to yourself :rolleyes:
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Some guys on the turnstiles in the "standing" days would allow 2 or 3 kids to jump over and charge for One adult and one kid - pocketing the difference.

Every few goes, that's quite a perk.

People knew which turnstile to go to, and I used to wonder why we walked back and forwards looking for a particular old and pot-bellied bloke on the turnstile. They moved them around as some kind of safeguard against pilfering. You've got to love the Coombes' :LMAO:

Figures reduced in the old days through that "perk".

Nowadays the actual "clicks" are what is accounted for.
Don't matter if it's a Season or a Pay=on=the-Day. If it clicks you are counted.
10% of Season Ticket holders miss any match anyway. Be it Old Trafford, Emirates or St Andrews - that is the average of missing ST holders per match.

They won't be included in any figure because they didn't click.

The "adjustment" comes in the auditing.

If you have 20,000 ST holders and 2,000 don't Turn up...... you can basically sell 2,000 more tickets without VAT. That's the fiddle and there is no way of stopping that at Swindon, Man Utd or St Andrews.

Years ago they tried a counter on each turnstile at Swindon. The figures stayed the same and in accordance with those released by Swindon over the season.

That is the scam - the lower ST attendance being offset to the actual attendance. Can't be proven and I'm sure most clubs use it.So the VAT inspectorate probably make allowances for it.

Beyond that, we come down to perception.

Via TV, my perception would be a greater attendance for Arsenal than Everton.

Which is right. We were near full on figures and empty seats.Only a couple of thou missing for a full house - allowing for the 500 on the GM.

No falsification, no conspiracy, no problem.





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Garry Pendrey
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Mar 30 2010, 09:19 PM
If you have 20,000 ST holders and 2,000 don't Turn up...... you can basically sell 2,000 more tickets without VAT.





I dont see how you can sell tickets based on this fact, how can they know which ST holders are not going to turn up and sell there seat. Sorry this doesnt stack up for me.
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