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'friendly' Fire Casualties
Topic Started: Apr 8 2010, 02:47 PM (223 Views)
Woodbine
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Mikael Forssell
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Video just released of the attack on about a dozen civilians in Baghdad. Very thought provoking and emotional.

http://www.youtube.com/v/5rXPrfnU3G0&hl=en∓fs=1&rel=0
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Bart P. Cozner
Trevor Francis
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What a ridiculous expression "friendly fire" is. Another example of politically correct malarky!
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Bob Latchford
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I don't like the expression, but the fact is that it happens. We do it, the Yanks do it, the enemy does it. It even happened in the Falklands when two sets of our own special forces ended up trying to stab each other quietly in the dark.
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very distasteful stuff, but i can fully understand the yanks reticence to investigate further and take no chances. enough people have been hijacked/bombed when attending to injuries of both sides and, hand on heart, i can't say i would have done very differently to what happened. it certainly looks to me like they were carrying weapons. maybe the media should have some distinctive clothing or something, or some sort of tracking device that makes itself known to the military? who knows, and who can say in the heat of battle they wouldn't have done that though? tragic though it is, this will never be eradicated unforunately. bless the poor kids.
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Apr 8 2010, 04:07 PM
I don't like the expression, but the fact is that it happens. We do it, the Yanks do it, the enemy does it. It even happened in the Falklands when two sets of our own special forces ended up trying to stab each other quietly in the dark.

I understand that it happens, I just think it's a ridiculous expression....
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Bob Latchford
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The thing for me here is the complete and utter lack of human compassion. These Americans found it funny.
I accept it was a mistake and things happen in war. But dead bodies with vehicles driving over them is far from funny, even if it is the enemy. And in this case, they were not the enemy.
Disgraceful.

I hope our troops don’t behave like that.
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Woodbine
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Apr 8 2010, 05:55 PM
The thing for me here is the complete and utter lack of human compassion. These Americans found it funny.
I accept it was a mistake and things happen in war. But dead bodies with vehicles driving over them is far from funny, even if it is the enemy. And in this case, they were not the enemy.
Disgraceful.

I hope our troops don’t behave like that.

I understand your concerns here, Raters, but we have to remember that the average age of these US soldiers is 19 years and they are in a very unreal and stressful situation, having to cope with the deaths and injuries of comrades every minute of the day. They may feel terrible about their actions, which cannot be reversed, so they counter the trauma with opposing emotions. Many people use humour to counter such stress.

About 5 years ago, I was attacked with an iron bar in my own home by a drugged-up burglar who had already ransacked the house. After a struggle, he escaped. I was in a very shaky adrenalin-induced emotional state and could barely think straight. When the cop was filling in a report form (within 30 minutes of the incident), I jokingly suggested that the attacker was a Villa supporter because he had pinched my fags off the mantelpiece but had left my Blues' lighter! It was my way of trying to cope with the stress.
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Apr 8 2010, 04:04 PM
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Apr 8 2010, 04:07 PM
I don't like the expression, but the fact is that it happens.  We do it, the Yanks do it, the enemy does it.  It even happened in the Falklands when two sets of our own special forces ended up trying to stab each other quietly in the dark.

I understand that it happens, I just think it's a ridiculous expression....

maybe you can come up with something a little more to your taste?

it's a perfectly legitimate term, as is "blue on blue" which is another term for friendly fire.

If one lives in a world where war exists then one must in turn put up with the side effects of such elements.

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irish_blues_boy
Apr 9 2010, 07:16 AM
Bart P. O' Loughlin
Apr 8 2010, 04:04 PM
Migster
Apr 8 2010, 04:07 PM
I don't like the expression, but the fact is that it happens.  We do it, the Yanks do it, the enemy does it.  It even happened in the Falklands when two sets of our own special forces ended up trying to stab each other quietly in the dark.

I understand that it happens, I just think it's a ridiculous expression....

maybe you can come up with something a little more to your taste?

it's a perfectly legitimate term, as is "blue on blue" which is another term for friendly fire.

If one lives in a world where war exists then one must in turn put up with the side effects of such elements.

Friendly F#*@!D is the most apt term I've heard.
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Woodbine
Apr 8 2010, 06:09 PM
Raters
Apr 8 2010, 05:55 PM
The thing for me here is the complete and utter lack of human compassion. These Americans found it funny.
I accept it was a mistake and things happen in war. But dead bodies with vehicles driving over them is far from funny, even if it is the enemy. And in this case, they were not the enemy.
Disgraceful.

I hope our troops don’t behave like that.

I understand your concerns here, Raters, but we have to remember that the average age of these US soldiers is 19 years and they are in a very unreal and stressful situation, having to cope with the deaths and injuries of comrades every minute of the day. They may feel terrible about their actions, which cannot be reversed, so they counter the trauma with opposing emotions. Many people use humour to counter such stress.

About 5 years ago, I was attacked with an iron bar in my own home by a drugged-up burglar who had already ransacked the house. After a struggle, he escaped. I was in a very shaky adrenalin-induced emotional state and could barely think straight. When the cop was filling in a report form (within 30 minutes of the incident), I jokingly suggested that the attacker was a Villa supporter because he had pinched my fags off the mantelpiece but had left my Blues' lighter! It was my way of trying to cope with the stress.

I'd understand it from a 19 year old trooper, but these guy's are not 19 and in a flying tank away from the horrors of the war. They have far less excuse than the squadie putting his head above the parapit hoping it doesn't get blown off.

These flying tanks are miles from the action, it's like playing a video game, that could be the problem here you think?
I do get your point re stress and the way people deal with it though.

BTW Sorry to hear about the burglar, that must have been awful. Hope the police got them and you wasn't hurt?
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Bart P. Cozner
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irish_blues_boy
Apr 9 2010, 08:16 AM
Bart P. O' Loughlin
Apr 8 2010, 04:04 PM
Migster
Apr 8 2010, 04:07 PM
I don't like the expression, but the fact is that it happens.  We do it, the Yanks do it, the enemy does it.  It even happened in the Falklands when two sets of our own special forces ended up trying to stab each other quietly in the dark.

I understand that it happens, I just think it's a ridiculous expression....

maybe you can come up with something a little more to your taste?

it's a perfectly legitimate term, as is "blue on blue" which is another term for friendly fire.

If one lives in a world where war exists then one must in turn put up with the side effects of such elements.

Never heard of "blue on blue", new to me!

As for "something a little more to (my) taste", I can't think of anything off-hand, which doesn't lessen the fact that I, personally, do not like the expresion "friendly fire" which is all I was expressing in the first place
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"Blue on Blue" is a very common expression. Surely we should use it more?
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Cock up is usually sufficient.
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