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Why I Don't Buy The Birmingham Mail
Topic Started: Jun 3 2010, 05:19 PM (2,490 Views)
beegeeblueboy
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Why is it relevant that he is a Blues fan?

When the alleged offence took place Garry Mann had his England 'hat' on supporting England away from home.

At its height in the 70's and 80's newspapers ran stories on troubles and always mentioned the clubs that the fans supported as if some blame could be pinpointed on them.

Blues like every club has worked hard with the police to eliminate hooliganism at its ground and the least it can expect from its local newspaper is a cheap shot at it.
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I don't buy it because I can read all the stories in which I'm interested online.
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beegeeblueboy
Jun 3 2010, 05:19 PM
Why is it relevant that he is a Blues fan?

When the alleged offence took place Garry Mann had his England 'hat' on supporting England away from home.

At its height in the 70's and 80's newspapers ran stories on troubles and always mentioned the clubs that the fans supported as if some blame could be pinpointed on them.

Blues like every club has worked hard with the police to eliminate hooliganism at its ground and the least it can expect from its local newspaper is a cheap shot at it.

they've highlighted someone's football loyalties in non-football-related articles in the past, they've done the same for villa fans aswell. although in this case the story is football-related so not surprised really.
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They allowed the so-called "journalist" Lisa Smith to advertise a book about the Vile hooligan gang (yes, there was one apparently ! - think it's the one that used to specialise in smashing up their own coaches !)

The rag is totally Pro-Vile, pity, because it hadn't used to be.

Haven't bought it for a while now. I prefer the Metro to read on the train home.
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Jun 3 2010, 07:03 PM
The rag is totally Pro-Vile, pity, because it hadn't used to be.

Yes I remember an article during the CY full takeover regalling the fans to protest at the club going to foreign ownership and urging them to demand that CY is left in no doubt that they don't approve of his ownership.

The first thing that immediately struck me was that they didn't mount such a campaign when the foreign Randy Lerner took over at B6. Maybe it was because he was an American; maybe they knew the B6 fans were happy because it meant that Deadly would be gone.

Secondly, if they'd had their finger on the pulse they'd have realised that Blues fans had had enough of the then board and were not suspicious of anyone prepared to pay well over the odds for their club because it meant CY had to make it successful to have any chance of a return on his outlay. That he was from the Far East mattered not one jot. On the contrary here was an opportunity to tap into a huge market. If he'd bought into B6 I doubt if the BM would have raised any concerns and certainly wouldn't have started a 'you're not welcome here' campaign.
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hardly pro villa is it, we both get treated the same.

Whn those 'terrorists' were arrested in bru, who were villa fans that was mentoned. Now when it comes to things like that (people arrested on anti-terror laws) their football loyalty should be the last thing on everyones mind!
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Gary Mann is the one claiming to be a Birmingham City fan

Let's all just dis-own him

He's a thug who we all should disassociate with the football club

As for The Mail, it's not a pro Vile rag at all although one or two of their journos like to have swipes at BCFC......Lisa Smith is an idiot, I still can't work out how she ever got a job in that field of sports writing .....But you could say the same thing about most politicians .....you could even say it about the chief executive of BP whose tact and diplomacy resembles that of Jack The Ripper

But we have Colin Tattum representing us at The Mail

Tatts is the most reliable journalist to trust when it comes to Blues news


KRO :banner:
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Jun 4 2010, 07:05 AM
Gary Mann is the one claiming to be a Birmingham City fan

Let's all just dis-own him

He's a thug who we all should disassociate with the football club

As for The Mail, it's not a pro Vile rag at all although one or two of their journos like to have swipes at BCFC......Lisa Smith is an idiot, I still can't work out how she ever got a job in that field of sports writing .....But you could say the same thing about most politicians .....you could even say it about the chief executive of BP whose tact and diplomacy resembles that of Jack The Ripper

But we have Colin Tattum representing us at The Mail

Tatts is the most reliable journalist to trust when it comes to Blues news


KRO :banner:

Gary Mann is a Birmingham City Supporter...and was also a Firefighter putting his own life at risk to save others.He lost his job as a result of being battoned and pepper sprayed in a Portugese pub by Military Police who had just returned from a tour of Iraq and immediately put on duty in Albufeira.

Condemn him all you want Parti but like many he has given a lifetime of support to Birmingham City..not fairweather or fickle like todays so called supporter
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Jun 3 2010, 06:03 PM
They allowed the so-called "journalist" Lisa Smith to advertise a book about the Vile hooligan gang (yes, there was one apparently ! - think it's the one that used to specialise in smashing up their own coaches !)

The rag is totally Pro-Vile, pity, because it hadn't used to be.

Haven't bought it for a while now. I prefer the Metro to read on the train home.

Paranoid or what, I buy it every night and it is not pro-villa at all. still a good read.
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I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

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Jun 4 2010, 07:58 AM
I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

you make god points
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Jun 4 2010, 07:58 AM
I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

Never spoil a good story with the truth one of the first rules of journalism.

And i didnt say he was innocent either,but even if he were the fastrack justice system gave him no opportunity to provide adequate defence.A basic right given to every man in civilised countries even mass murderers...but sadly not football hooligans.

Save your harshness for the real despicable people who commit proper crimes,atrocities even..Maggie Thatcher used football as a political weapon..now 30 years later its stigma is ridiculous.
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pooley
Jun 4 2010, 04:08 AM
you make god points

Yes...Me and The Lord always stay in touch with each other

I don't have his 'Mobile' handy though.....Sorry




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Jun 4 2010, 08:58 AM
I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

:applause: well said Parti.

There should be no room for these boneheads. How the hell can we progress when still have these neanderthals?

As for fairweather and fickle fans, if we replaced every bonehead with a fairweather then the club would become "sociably - friendly" and guess what? more and more fans would be attracted to coming. We would also lose our negative press and become attractive and guess what? even more fans would be attracted to coming.

Come on Blues, let's become a 21st Century club.
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They can't even spell 'Portuguese' correctly. :o
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lowdham bluenose
Jun 4 2010, 08:16 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 08:58 AM
I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

:applause: well said Parti.

There should be no room for these boneheads. How the hell can we progress when still have these neanderthals?

As for fairweather and fickle fans, if we replaced every bonehead with a fairweather then the club would become "sociably - friendly" and guess what? more and more fans would be attracted to coming. We would also lose our negative press and become attractive and guess what? even more fans would be attracted to coming.

Come on Blues, let's become a 21st Century club.

Lowds what a load of old tosh...success is the only thing that fairweather fickle fans aspire to,not a happy friendly love in on a saturday afternoon..The most succesful clubs in the world of football have a far greater crimesheet than Birmingham City..
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Jun 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They can't even spell 'Portuguese' correctly. :o

Actually Wooders...that is the correct spelling



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Jun 4 2010, 09:26 AM
lowdham bluenose
Jun 4 2010, 08:16 AM
PartisanBCFC
Jun 4 2010, 08:58 AM
I'll condemn all I want if he is guilty of the charge against him

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Portuguese authorities are trying to extradite Birmingham City fan Garry Mann so he can be punished for inciting a riot in Albufeira during Euro 2004



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Mann, who says he has convictions for disorderly conduct at a football match from 1975 and another for criminal damage in 1981, called on the Government to review the European arrest warrant


Hardly new to it was he ?? If he's innocent fair enough but don't feed me this cr@p about being a firefighter and saving lives so we should forgive and forget .....Firefighters choose to do what they do for a living.....as do Police Officers and soldiers, they know the risks

For a bloke who likely works alongside The Police and Ambulance crews in some everyday situations don't you think he should have known better if he is actually guilty of the charges against him ??

:applause: well said Parti.

There should be no room for these boneheads. How the hell can we progress when still have these neanderthals?

As for fairweather and fickle fans, if we replaced every bonehead with a fairweather then the club would become "sociably - friendly" and guess what? more and more fans would be attracted to coming. We would also lose our negative press and become attractive and guess what? even more fans would be attracted to coming.

Come on Blues, let's become a 21st Century club.

Lowds what a load of old tosh...success is the only thing that fairweather fickle fans aspire to,not a happy friendly love in on a saturday afternoon..The most succesful clubs in the world of football have a far greater crimesheet than Birmingham City..

So what about Fulham? - they have the huge clubs of Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs on their doorstep, yet still get bigger average gates than Blues. What do people love most about Fulham? - fan friendly and hooligan free.

B25, if it's fighting you want then follow boxing. Premier League football clubs have progressed and are in the 21st Century. Neanderthal boneheads who still stick to Blues are holding us back.
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I don't buy it because I live in Dublin, Ireland. If I were to even attempt to buy it I would have to fly over to Birmingham, find a newsagent, purchase said paper at a cost of "x" which I would then add to the flight cost; "y" and return home in time to get to the office for 9am.

I think you'll agree that is far more effort than is necessary considering if I wanted to read tripe every day I can purchase the Sun, the Mirror or indeed, the Star from any number of local outlets conveniently located on my route to work eliminating the need for international air travel.
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Jun 4 2010, 09:29 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They can't even spell 'Portuguese' correctly.  :o

Actually Wooders...that is the correct spelling



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if you Yanks spell it 'Portugese', Parti. But we spell it 'Portuguese' and this is an English newspaper. ;)
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Jun 4 2010, 05:03 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 09:29 AM
Woodbine
Jun 4 2010, 04:21 AM
They can't even spell 'Portuguese' correctly.   :o

Actually Wooders...that is the correct spelling



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if you Yanks spell it 'Portugese', Parti. But we spell it 'Portuguese' and this is an English newspaper. ;)

Wires crossed

I thought you were saying 'Portuguese' was the wrong way


Yes, in the paper they missed out the 'u'....so yes, you were right


And yes, the Yanks have their own spelling formats or versions of English.....labor, harbor, aluminum, traveler etc etc

They understand my Brummie twang though.....well, after I've had to repeat myself 3 times anwyay :whistle: :whistle:
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This a thread hijack :redcard: I wasn't talking about whether he is innocent or not but why the Birmingham Mail thought it relevant to mention he was a Blues fan, when in fact he was supporting England at the time.
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beegeeblueboy
Jun 3 2010, 06:19 PM
Why is it relevant that he is a Blues fan?

When the alleged offence took place Garry Mann had his England 'hat' on supporting England away from home.

At its height in the 70's and 80's newspapers ran stories on troubles and always mentioned the clubs that the fans supported as if some blame could be pinpointed on them.

Blues like every club has worked hard with the police to eliminate hooliganism at its ground and the least it can expect from its local newspaper is a cheap shot at it.

You make an extremely good point here.

The poorer forms of local media are much the same as the poor quality nationals. When they haven't got the quality to get readership through good content they resort to old tried and tested methods. The method here is to stir up hatred between rival football fans, who will then buy the rag as evidence of people supporting their particular hatred.

Very poor reporting targeted at people who love that sort of thing, the hooligan element, as you rightly say.

It's subtle so they don't tend to get red carpeted for it, but it is there just the same!
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Jun 4 2010, 09:09 AM
This a thread hijack :redcard: I wasn't talking about whether he is innocent or not but why the Birmingham Mail thought it relevant to mention he was a Blues fan, when in fact he was supporting England at the time.

It isnt important to mention who he supports but it is relevant...as is his former profession.His fellow firefighters supported him as he fought to save his job but the Union refused to back him...shame he wasnt a drunk driver or something worse they seem to be gainfully employed no problem.

The Mail is populated by Vile but its the Only local paper with any sport in it
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Is Gary Mann a mate of yours ??


Just curious like

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