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Zigic In Action For Serbia; 3pm kick-off ITV1
Topic Started: Jun 13 2010, 11:45 AM (4,649 Views)
Mr_Blue_Sky
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Jun 13 2010, 10:15 PM
MikaelForssell
Jun 13 2010, 09:51 PM
Yawn.

Typical Blues "fans" once more... he hasnt scored a hat-trick so he's rubbish and a plonker and makes everyone look amazing etc.


Zigic brought composure to the otherwise off looking Serbia, held the ball up very well, shouldve scored granted, but looked good nonetheless.

The two commentators on ITV also said he looked good and Blues had spent wisely on him... people wont be happy unless he bags goals every week! And that simply wont happen.

ho well thats it then, the two itv commontaters said nice things you want to hear and we have all got to belive them.No sunshine some of us are capable of making up our own minds and dont need you a 20 year old novice to tell us vastley experianced fans what we should say and should`nt say. If you make your judgment based on what two idiots say thats up to you but dont refer to them as proof of a players ability to me.

I think it's the positive and optmistic traits that the younger or 'Novice' fans as you call them have that means they see the best and potential great ability that players have.

I think it is the down-beaten, 'Would rather see a player fail for an excuse to moan at the board' sort of traits that some of the 'Vastly experienced' fans hold. And I know those fans too well because my Dad, Uncle and Grandad are all exactly the same.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being optmistic about a new arrival to the club to the point where people will defend the ones who will sit on the internet and bash players after not even 90 minutes of football.

Oh and I have no doubt in my mind that MF has probably seen Zigic in action more times than you have, so your 'vast experience' probably counts for nothing. Cut the kid some slack!
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it was a weird game to watch in my opinion.. but some of you guys are just too much.. ive seen zigic play more than a few times - good player trusttttt meeee! anyways.. looked as though he was asked to sit in a little deeper on occasion.. but thought he didnt do too bad at all..

KRO
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Jun 13 2010, 09:26 PM

and wanting germany to win too is just plain wrong [/QUOTE]
And why is that then ????
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Jun 13 2010, 06:44 PM
it was a weird game to watch in my opinion.. but some of you guys are just too much.. ive seen zigic play more than a few times - good player trusttttt meeee! anyways.. looked as though he was asked to sit in a little deeper on occasion.. but thought he didnt do too bad at all..

KRO

Persoanlly I couldn't give ten hootananys how Zigic plays for Serbia

Think most of us on here would all agree players like Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard play better for their Prem clubs anyway than for the national team......and Fabio has already played Milner and Wright Phillips out of their usual positions anyway and we're not even one game in to the tournament yet

Zigic is going to be a crucial link up front for us this coming season

Other PL clubs were looking at him so it says it all for me and I think for 6 million we might have unearthed a bargain


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i must admit he did look under par,so i looked on u tube,and read a few comments from other teams hed played for,and all said he was a great goal scorer,he was well liked,they cant all be wrong can they.lets get behind him and see what happens.
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Jun 13 2010, 10:15 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 09:51 PM
Yawn.

Typical Blues "fans" once more... he hasnt scored a hat-trick so he's rubbish and a plonker and makes everyone look amazing etc.


Zigic brought composure to the otherwise off looking Serbia, held the ball up very well, shouldve scored granted, but looked good nonetheless.

The two commentators on ITV also said he looked good and Blues had spent wisely on him... people wont be happy unless he bags goals every week! And that simply wont happen.

ho well thats it then, the two itv commontaters said nice things you want to hear and we have all got to belive them.No sunshine some of us are capable of making up our own minds and dont need you a 20 year old novice to tell us vastley experianced fans what we should say and should`nt say. If you make your judgment based on what two idiots say thats up to you but dont refer to them as proof of a players ability to me.

it never fails to amaze me how racism is quite rightly condemed on here yet ageism (from the old to the young i might add, not the other way round) is quite often prevalent.

What does it matter if mf is a 'novice' as you so 'delicately' put it or if he is 20 or 200...why bring these things into the discussion?

You could have quite easily put forward your case for not going with what commentators/pundits say without having to bring someones age into the discussion because it is quite frankly irrelevent.
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Jun 13 2010, 07:30 PM
Before I make my comment, I will concede the fact that I have only read the last 2 pages of this thread, but that was enough..

Am I missing something? How can people say he is rubbish or didnt look good? In the first half he worked his socks off getting back and then forward again, stopped a few dangerous-looking Ghana attacks aswell.

He held up play when he needed to, showed composure, showed hunger via his reactions to not getting supplied from the crosses, really good feet for a big man aswell.

What did he do wrong that ommits negative comments? He mis-hit one shot when it came over to him, well, it looked like he hit it back across goal so maybe it werent even a shot?

Honestly, look at the games so far, Thierry looked below average, Ribery looked like Mcsheffrey, the likes of Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria... Rooney, Lampard... So many great players have looked distinctly average so far, but I felt Zigic really gave it a go and worked hard, how people can say he played poorly is beyond me  :blink:

I think Serbia were getting way too comfortable just hammering the ball up the pitch so Lazovic came on to replace him to probably cut that out, but the Serbian fans we have had feedback from have been saying how highly rated he is, the newspapers have been saying weve nailed a bargain, the commentators today said that its a great bit of business from Mcleish, and that Birmingham have got a really good striker on their hands..

Typical bloody Bluenoses writing someone off after less than one International game, and I imagine he is suffering from extreme lack of match-fitness aswell

Who is writing him off < < people are just giving their opinion on how he played today, I thought he looked a bit average today but that is not writing him off, if everyone said he was brilliant would you be happy?
dont get to upset because people have different opinions to you as the next game you might think he played rubbish while others think he was OK, it's football and every one has had different opinions from when the first ball was kicked.

No...

There were only a couple of posts that involved the words ''Its still early days but..''

There was however quite a few dead-end judgements like 'Worse than Heskey'' and ''He is very poor''

Stuff like that doesnt leave much room for any sort of change in opinion.

And I wouldnt take much notice of your opinion anyway if im honest mate, you always seem to be pro-Villa/anti-Blues if im being honest!

and wanting germany to win too is just plain wrong

Why?
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Jun 13 2010, 09:26 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 07:53 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 07:30 PM
Before I make my comment, I will concede the fact that I have only read the last 2 pages of this thread, but that was enough..

Am I missing something? How can people say he is rubbish or didnt look good? In the first half he worked his socks off getting back and then forward again, stopped a few dangerous-looking Ghana attacks aswell.

He held up play when he needed to, showed composure, showed hunger via his reactions to not getting supplied from the crosses, really good feet for a big man aswell.

What did he do wrong that ommits negative comments? He mis-hit one shot when it came over to him, well, it looked like he hit it back across goal so maybe it werent even a shot?

Honestly, look at the games so far, Thierry looked below average, Ribery looked like Mcsheffrey, the likes of Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria... Rooney, Lampard... So many great players have looked distinctly average so far, but I felt Zigic really gave it a go and worked hard, how people can say he played poorly is beyond me  :blink:

I think Serbia were getting way too comfortable just hammering the ball up the pitch so Lazovic came on to replace him to probably cut that out, but the Serbian fans we have had feedback from have been saying how highly rated he is, the newspapers have been saying weve nailed a bargain, the commentators today said that its a great bit of business from Mcleish, and that Birmingham have got a really good striker on their hands..

Typical bloody Bluenoses writing someone off after less than one International game, and I imagine he is suffering from extreme lack of match-fitness aswell

Who is writing him off < < people are just giving their opinion on how he played today, I thought he looked a bit average today but that is not writing him off, if everyone said he was brilliant would you be happy?
dont get to upset because people have different opinions to you as the next game you might think he played rubbish while others think he was OK, it's football and every one has had different opinions from when the first ball was kicked.

No...

There were only a couple of posts that involved the words ''Its still early days but..''

There was however quite a few dead-end judgements like 'Worse than Heskey'' and ''He is very poor''

Stuff like that doesnt leave much room for any sort of change in opinion.

And I wouldnt take much notice of your opinion anyway if im honest mate, you always seem to be pro-Villa/anti-Blues if im being honest!

and wanting germany to win too is just plain wrong

Why?

for the same reason that most of us on here want villa to lose
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Jun 13 2010, 10:26 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 10:15 PM
MikaelForssell
Jun 13 2010, 09:51 PM
Yawn.

Typical Blues "fans" once more... he hasnt scored a hat-trick so he's rubbish and a plonker and makes everyone look amazing etc.


Zigic brought composure to the otherwise off looking Serbia, held the ball up very well, shouldve scored granted, but looked good nonetheless.

The two commentators on ITV also said he looked good and Blues had spent wisely on him... people wont be happy unless he bags goals every week! And that simply wont happen.

ho well thats it then, the two itv commontaters said nice things you want to hear and we have all got to belive them.No sunshine some of us are capable of making up our own minds and dont need you a 20 year old novice to tell us vastley experianced fans what we should say and should`nt say. If you make your judgment based on what two idiots say thats up to you but dont refer to them as proof of a players ability to me.

I think it's the positive and optmistic traits that the younger or 'Novice' fans as you call them have that means they see the best and potential great ability that players have.

I think it is the down-beaten, 'Would rather see a player fail for an excuse to moan at the board' sort of traits that some of the 'Vastly experienced' fans hold. And I know those fans too well because my Dad, Uncle and Grandad are all exactly the same.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being optmistic about a new arrival to the club to the point where people will defend the ones who will sit on the internet and bash players after not even 90 minutes of football.

Oh and I have no doubt in my mind that MF has probably seen Zigic in action more times than you have, so your 'vast experience' probably counts for nothing. Cut the kid some slack!

Yeh no problem being optimistic but for christs sake lets be honest and no always through rose tinted speces, he had a very average game and was taken off after that they looked a better team to be honest, I a not writing the player off all I am saying is that it was one game and in that game he was average...get over it it's a football opinion not life or death.
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Jun 13 2010, 09:26 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 09:01 PM
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Jun 13 2010, 07:53 PM
Lukey_H
Jun 13 2010, 07:30 PM
Before I make my comment, I will concede the fact that I have only read the last 2 pages of this thread, but that was enough..

Am I missing something? How can people say he is rubbish or didnt look good? In the first half he worked his socks off getting back and then forward again, stopped a few dangerous-looking Ghana attacks aswell.

He held up play when he needed to, showed composure, showed hunger via his reactions to not getting supplied from the crosses, really good feet for a big man aswell.

What did he do wrong that ommits negative comments? He mis-hit one shot when it came over to him, well, it looked like he hit it back across goal so maybe it werent even a shot?

Honestly, look at the games so far, Thierry looked below average, Ribery looked like Mcsheffrey, the likes of Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria... Rooney, Lampard... So many great players have looked distinctly average so far, but I felt Zigic really gave it a go and worked hard, how people can say he played poorly is beyond me  :blink:

I think Serbia were getting way too comfortable just hammering the ball up the pitch so Lazovic came on to replace him to probably cut that out, but the Serbian fans we have had feedback from have been saying how highly rated he is, the newspapers have been saying weve nailed a bargain, the commentators today said that its a great bit of business from Mcleish, and that Birmingham have got a really good striker on their hands..

Typical bloody Bluenoses writing someone off after less than one International game, and I imagine he is suffering from extreme lack of match-fitness aswell

Who is writing him off < < people are just giving their opinion on how he played today, I thought he looked a bit average today but that is not writing him off, if everyone said he was brilliant would you be happy?
dont get to upset because people have different opinions to you as the next game you might think he played rubbish while others think he was OK, it's football and every one has had different opinions from when the first ball was kicked.

No...

There were only a couple of posts that involved the words ''Its still early days but..''

There was however quite a few dead-end judgements like 'Worse than Heskey'' and ''He is very poor''

Stuff like that doesnt leave much room for any sort of change in opinion.

And I wouldnt take much notice of your opinion anyway if im honest mate, you always seem to be pro-Villa/anti-Blues if im being honest!

and wanting germany to win too is just plain wrong

Why?

for the same reason that most of us on here want villa to lose

Well if you go by the replies already most people wanted Germany to beat Australia I certainly did.
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LMAO some people saying hes rubbish after seeing one game,using that logic then Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard are also rubbish as they looked absolutely terrible for England against America.

Thats what I said earlier !

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pooley Posted on Jun 14 2010, 07:34 AM

You could have quite easily put forward your case for not going with what commentators/pundits say without having to bring someones age into the discussion because it is quite frankly irrelevent.

Typical comment from someone who is too young to know better :kiss:

Actually pooley - just in case it is misinterpreted....
I am only joking in my comment above and totally agree with your Post **thumbup
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Glad I missed this thread, it's like reading a villa forum :LMAO:
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:LMAO:

Glad I missed this thread, it's like reading a villa forum :LMAO:

thats because half the people posting in the thread post on villa talk as well **thumbup
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Jun 13 2010, 03:43 PM
He's definitely not slow...it's just because he has massive long legs, he doesn't appear to move as quickly!

For me, he needs to play directly through the centre in this match. He's dropping too deep for my liking and he needs to be leading the line rather than playing behind Pantelic.

willvbcfc

Your first line here is something of an excuse because the long legs of Zigic can give him the extra yardage to lead the line, but I agree with the essential fabric of your post! **thumbup

The way Zigic played against Ghana was quite obviously a tactical decision of the manager where he was required to position himself deep to hold up and link play in midfield which for the most part he did well enough! For me this was the wrong decision which may at length have been realised hence his substitution in the 69th minute.

To the best of my recollection, he was only fed two frontline chances for his traditional play and one of those just below the knee was awkward as it rebound off the edge of his right shin bone. For me Zigic did O.K. out of position in this match and while he may have seem slow or even lazy at times, such attitudes cannot be qualified outside of his deeper positional role and the match game play tactics of his manager! :copno:

KRO :Blues:
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Alex wont play flair players as they wont drop back and do the dirty work, thats why in my OPINION he has gone for someone who`s natural instict is to drop deeper and who is probabley a better defender than a striker. Dont come on here telling me differant as i dont care that you think that i should only agree with your opinion, i have watched blues longer than some of you been alive. From what i have seen of him he is a typical Mcleish player and blues will do much the same with him as serbia did once we are 1-0 up. Time will tell but imo he aint going to be the prolific scorer some on here seem to think he is.

:applause: well said

and off-subject but to expand on your defend the 1-0 point, I think that will be a very dangerous philosophy and tactic to employ this coming season. We got away with it last season mainly due to Joe Hart.

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Yesterday was the first time I saw Zigic play and whilst I can confidently say he did'nt set the world alight I could see that there was a bit more to his game than just being a tall fellow. I thought Serbia as a team were very poor so that did'nt help him.
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MikaelForssell
Jun 13 2010, 09:51 PM
Yawn.

Typical Blues "fans" once more... he hasnt scored a hat-trick so he's rubbish and a plonker and makes everyone look amazing etc.


Zigic brought composure to the otherwise off looking Serbia, held the ball up very well, shouldve scored granted, but looked good nonetheless.

The two commentators on ITV also said he looked good and Blues had spent wisely on him... people wont be happy unless he bags goals every week! And that simply wont happen.

ho well thats it then, the two itv commontaters said nice things you want to hear and we have all got to belive them.No sunshine some of us are capable of making up our own minds and dont need you a 20 year old novice to tell us vastley experianced fans what we should say and should`nt say. If you make your judgment based on what two idiots say thats up to you but dont refer to them as proof of a players ability to me.

I think it's the positive and optmistic traits that the younger or 'Novice' fans as you call them have that means they see the best and potential great ability that players have.

I think it is the down-beaten, 'Would rather see a player fail for an excuse to moan at the board' sort of traits that some of the 'Vastly experienced' fans hold. And I know those fans too well because my Dad, Uncle and Grandad are all exactly the same.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being optmistic about a new arrival to the club to the point where people will defend the ones who will sit on the internet and bash players after not even 90 minutes of football.

Oh and I have no doubt in my mind that MF has probably seen Zigic in action more times than you have, so your 'vast experience' probably counts for nothing. Cut the kid some slack!

Yeh no problem being optimistic but for christs sake lets be honest and no always through rose tinted speces, he had a very average game and was taken off after that they looked a better team to be honest, I a not writing the player off all I am saying is that it was one game and in that game he was average...get over it it's a football opinion not life or death.

''Get over it''?

Its a discussion board, we are here to discuss it.

And the way you are reacting to my post, you would actually think that the conversation that you quoted had any sort of link to your name or views?
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i thought zigic looked like he had a good first touch .... layed a few off first time and looked to turn goalwards

he didnt bomb around the pitch at all ... and did sometimes look a bit one dimensional i suppose ... but thats evidently not his game

i thought he looked strong ... not awkward like kevin francis.. but just as difficult to defend against man to man

and he also looked invaluable at defensive set peices




..... so we've got a kevin francis with composure ??? il have that tbf :ball:


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Before I make my comment, I will concede the fact that I have only read the last 2 pages of this thread, but that was enough..

Am I missing something? How can people say he is rubbish or didnt look good? In the first half he worked his socks off getting back and then forward again, stopped a few dangerous-looking Ghana attacks aswell.

He held up play when he needed to, showed composure, showed hunger via his reactions to not getting supplied from the crosses, really good feet for a big man aswell.

What did he do wrong that ommits negative comments? He mis-hit one shot when it came over to him, well, it looked like he hit it back across goal so maybe it werent even a shot?

Honestly, look at the games so far, Thierry looked below average, Ribery looked like Mcsheffrey, the likes of Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria... Rooney, Lampard... So many great players have looked distinctly average so far, but I felt Zigic really gave it a go and worked hard, how people can say he played poorly is beyond me  :blink:

I think Serbia were getting way too comfortable just hammering the ball up the pitch so Lazovic came on to replace him to probably cut that out, but the Serbian fans we have had feedback from have been saying how highly rated he is, the newspapers have been saying weve nailed a bargain, the commentators today said that its a great bit of business from Mcleish, and that Birmingham have got a really good striker on their hands..

Typical bloody Bluenoses writing someone off after less than one International game, and I imagine he is suffering from extreme lack of match-fitness aswell

Who is writing him off < < people are just giving their opinion on how he played today, I thought he looked a bit average today but that is not writing him off, if everyone said he was brilliant would you be happy?
dont get to upset because people have different opinions to you as the next game you might think he played rubbish while others think he was OK, it's football and every one has had different opinions from when the first ball was kicked.

No...

There were only a couple of posts that involved the words ''Its still early days but..''

There was however quite a few dead-end judgements like 'Worse than Heskey'' and ''He is very poor''

Stuff like that doesnt leave much room for any sort of change in opinion.

And I wouldnt take much notice of your opinion anyway if im honest mate, you always seem to be pro-Villa/anti-Blues if im being honest!

and wanting germany to win too is just plain wrong

Why?

for the same reason that most of us on here want villa to lose

Well if you go by the replies already most people wanted Germany to beat Australia I certainly did.

Only so we can beat them in the final
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Let's see how Zigic performs tomorrow.

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he is playing quiet well today

well he has done nothing wrong yet

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so many yellow cards for germany.... :LOL:

they mention Zig and Birmingham.... **thumbup

There is a England / Birmingham flag in the stands.... **thumbup
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Great assist by Zigic!
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