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Are We Showing Enough Ambition; stoke and westham bid for remy
Topic Started: Aug 5 2010, 05:26 PM (907 Views)
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Just on sky sports news that loric remy has been in stoke today for talks with pulis. Apparently a 12 and a half million bid has been accepted. He's back in the country next week for talks with 2 other clubs believed to be west ham and liverpool. Now mcleish has stated that nzogbia is too pricey for us, but 10 mill too pricey??? As much as I despise sullivan, he has spent a few bob already without letting any players and have also had a big bid for remy accepted. My point is, that 10 mill for a player these days is NOT a massive amount and I believe for us too progress you have to pay these prices for proven quality. People say 10 mill for nzogbia is well over his 'true' value. Think about it for a minute we paid 5 mill for roger johnson, and unproven championship centre half!!! 10 mill for a proven, quality winger who has played for his country is well worth it when you put it into perspective. We need to, as a fan base, as well as a club need to realise that 5-6 mill for a player is basic these days.
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its not that they are too pricey maybe they dont feel like its good value for money...
remy? lets be honest how many people on here have heard of him and hes valued at 12m thats a huge risk in a league that demands instant success.
i have no problem with them not going any higher than 8m on nzogbia because personally id love him but i dont think hes worth any more than 8m.
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Aug 5 2010, 05:46 PM
its not that they are too pricey maybe they dont feel like its good value for money...
remy? lets be honest how many people on here have heard of him and hes valued at 12m thats a huge risk in a league that demands instant success.
i have no problem with them not going any higher than 8m on nzogbia because personally id love him but i dont think hes worth any more than 8m.

You've missed my point. We paid 5 million for johnson, wasn't that a bigger risk than spending 10 million on a proven, quality premier league player!? No one is ever going to pay the true value of a player that the club wants to keep unless their contract is about to expire. To buy quality players you have to spend a little over the odds. I still think 10 mill is great value for nzogbia. I can see him going for over double that in a few years.
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Pompey showed lots of ambition
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believe it when i see it sullivan paying 12.5 mill for a player probably wants to pay in installments of £10 a week for the next 20 years .i agree about nzogbia we need to start paying the going rate if we are to attract these players
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Aug 5 2010, 05:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

Spot on ESONEULB.

We have already spent 12 million this summer, so add 12 for Remy, and then 3mil or so for Konchesky or Clyne.

Not to mention the 5 for Dembele, and possibly Nzogbia and/or Camoranesi?

We are absolutely in no position where we need to fork out that much money for squad improvements.

Foster for Hart, Zigic for Chucho, plus Valles. Anything we buy/loan in from now is added quality as we have replaced our losses already.

Ambition has nothing to do with it, we need a gradual steady plan, start the season, tweak in January, maybe bring in a player on loan or buy a player if we absolutely need to, then re-asses next Summer and sell players and gradually replace them with better calibre players.

Next season isnt the last season in the history of the Prem, it will still be there the season after, we need to start looking at the bigger picture, and gradually improving as a team and a club.

Just say we spend 20-30 odd million on a few good players over the next few days, are you honestly telling me we would be good enough to get Europa?

To be able to spend big, you need to rake in big, reap what you sew, speculate to accumulate, all that jazz.

If we spend big, and win nothing, and probably finish lower than 9th, then where do we go from there?

Its a downwards spiral as soon as you spend big but win no tournaments or trophies, as Man City and possibly Aston Villa will start to realise should they have a few more trophy-less seasons after the ridiculous amounts of money theyve spent.
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Aug 5 2010, 07:05 PM
ESONEULB
Aug 5 2010, 05:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

Spot on ESONEULB.

We have already spent 12 million this summer, so add 12 for Remy, and then 3mil or so for Konchesky or Clyne.

Not to mention the 5 for Dembele, and possibly Nzogbia and/or Camoranesi?

We are absolutely in no position where we need to fork out that much money for squad improvements.

Foster for Hart, Zigic for Chucho, plus Valles. Anything we buy/loan in from now is added quality as we have replaced our losses already.

Ambition has nothing to do with it, we need a gradual steady plan, start the season, tweak in January, maybe bring in a player on loan or buy a player if we absolutely need to, then re-asses next Summer and sell players and gradually replace them with better calibre players.

Next season isnt the last season in the history of the Prem, it will still be there the season after, we need to start looking at the bigger picture, and gradually improving as a team and a club.

Just say we spend 20-30 odd million on a few good players over the next few days, are you honestly telling me we would be good enough to get Europa?

To be able to spend big, you need to rake in big, reap what you sew, speculate to accumulate, all that jazz.

If we spend big, and win nothing, and probably finish lower than 9th, then where do we go from there?

Its a downwards spiral as soon as you spend big but win no tournaments or trophies, as Man City and possibly Aston Villa will start to realise should they have a few more trophy-less seasons after the ridiculous amounts of money theyve spent.

we will still spend money but the right money and the right wages.

I agree with what you say about building slowly.

We need to give the Yueng machine time to turn over before we start spending its energy.

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Aug 5 2010, 06:26 PM
Just on sky sports news that loric remy has been in stoke today for talks with pulis. Apparently a 12 and a half million bid has been accepted. He's back in the country next week for talks with 2 other clubs believed to be west ham and liverpool. Now mcleish has stated that nzogbia is too pricey for us, but 10 mill too pricey??? As much as I despise sullivan, he has spent a few bob already without letting any players and have also had a big bid for remy accepted. My point is, that 10 mill for a player these days is NOT a massive amount and I believe for us too progress you have to pay these prices for proven quality. People say 10 mill for nzogbia is well over his 'true' value. Think about it for a minute we paid 5 mill for roger johnson, and unproven championship centre half!!! 10 mill for a proven, quality winger who has played for his country is well worth it when you put it into perspective. We need to, as a fan base, as well as a club need to realise that 5-6 mill for a player is basic these days.

That is exactly Dave Whelan's argument.
If you are prepared to pay £8million like,what's another couple?

NZogbia has yet to play for France - he has just been called up for his first senior match - because all of the 23 that went to South Africa have been overlooked on purpose. So is he really a £10 million pound player ?

It's hardball time and clubs that have held back from releasing unhappy players will be faced with a dilemna soon.

Keep an unhappy player on high wages, put him in your 25 man squad?If there is room.

Or take the best offer you've had?

McLeish and blues knew they needed about 5 or 6 quality players this summer.

At £10 million a time whats that going to cost fella?

Johnson and Dann cost £8 mill - shows how good McLeish's due diligence was on those players. But if they'd cost £10 mill each ????

It really is nonsensical to pay what greedy clubs or agents want. Far better to wait and then step in when they are panicking about their wage bills.

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Prudent. Should be our new motto!
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I don't like this fannying around.

If we really want N,Zogbia then lets get him. If he is one of a further two or three we intend to buy then thats fine. We won't be going overboard. Paying £2m more than what McLeish thinks we should ain't gonna hurt us. If we did it everytrime then yes it will, but we got Foster, Zigic, Gardner and Michel without paying over the top.

If we want N,Zogbia then pay up and get him now. I am sure this will be worth it in the long run.
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Aug 5 2010, 05:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

So every club who spend's a few bob is going to end up like Pompey?? why is it that because someone wants us to bid for a player who costs a bit more we have to have remarks that were going to go the way of pompey :banghead:

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I love it how people talk about £10m as if it's not alot of money.

Bcfc operate at 70-80% wages to turnover ratio everytime they are in the premiership so spending upwards of £20m each window is totally unsustainable.

Bn68

I'm glad the board actually aren't being reckless
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Aug 5 2010, 08:04 PM
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Aug 5 2010, 05:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

So every club who spend's a few bob is going to end up like Pompey?? why is it that because someone wants us to bid for a player who costs a bit more we have to have remarks that were going to go the way of pompey :banghead:

if this club was in some fans hands it would be skint and in debt in a week.

the reason i say it is the fact i think we are working within our budget and not over spending ourselves especially in the wages department.

if we were Pompey we would just pay what other teams and players agents wanted and that is foolish.

We are spending within our budget and that is what we should do.

The richest will come . but not yet.

if we were just spending spending i would be worried because it is obvious we don't have the money yet.

Even then we should not over spend.

Wages are going to go down as the sport especially in this country can't afford it.

that is why the transfer window is so slow.

wage demands are killing this transfer window and they will keep killing the following transfer windows until the players lower there demands.

Have you read the Deloitte warnings..

even the big clubs are getting caught out with this and takeovers are the only way they can balance there books.


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Aug 5 2010, 07:00 PM
I don't like this fannying around.

If we really want N,Zogbia then lets get him. If he is one of a further two or three we intend to buy then thats fine. We won't be going overboard. Paying £2m more than what McLeish thinks we should ain't gonna hurt us. If we did it everytrime then yes it will, but we got Foster, Zigic, Gardner and Michel without paying over the top.

If we want N,Zogbia then pay up and get him now. I am sure this will be worth it in the long run.

Where does it end though?

Wigan hold out for an extra £2m... so other teams end up holding out for more money from us for any player we want in the future.

It can then spiral out of control, like it did at Portsmouth... so the shrewd and savvy way of doing it as we are, whilst not going down too well with every fan, is more safe and stable for the club in the long term IMO.
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Pulis at Stoke on signing:

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"I think the best deals will be done at the back end of it (transfer window)and we may have to wait until the back end to get the players we want.


Allardyce on new funding at Blackburn:

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The new investment is not going to arrive before the transfer window is shut," he said. "That is probably certain now.

"That being the situation, we are getting on with the business we have got in hand and working to the budgets we have already got in place.



Deloite on January transfers:

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Clubs in the English Premier League spent £30 million on player transfers in the January window, the lowest for more than seven years and well down on last year’s £170 million record.
“The absence of new club owners and the tightening of club finances and credit availability have helped to accelerate that trend and dampen down the market.”



Footballs moving into the real world at last and over the top fees and wages have got to go.



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Aug 5 2010, 08:18 PM
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Aug 5 2010, 07:00 PM
I don't like this fannying around.

If we really want N,Zogbia then lets get him. If he is one of a further two or three we intend to buy then thats fine. We won't be going overboard. Paying £2m more than what McLeish thinks we should ain't gonna hurt us. If we did it everytrime then yes it will, but we got Foster, Zigic, Gardner and Michel without paying over the top.

If we want N,Zogbia then pay up and get him now. I am sure this will be worth it in the long run.

Where does it end though?

Wigan hold out for an extra £2m... so other teams end up holding out for more money from us for any player we want in the future.

It can then spiral out of control, like it did at Portsmouth... so the shrewd and savvy way of doing it as we are, whilst not going down too well with every fan, is more safe and stable for the club in the long term IMO.

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Aug 5 2010, 08:28 PM
Pulis at Stoke on signing:

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"I think the best deals will be done at the back end of it (transfer window)and we may have to wait until the back end to get the players we want.


Allardyce on new funding at Blackburn:

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The new investment is not going to arrive before the transfer window is shut," he said. "That is probably certain now.

"That being the situation, we are getting on with the business we have got in hand and working to the budgets we have already got in place.



Deloite on January transfers:

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Clubs in the English Premier League spent £30 million on player transfers in the January window, the lowest for more than seven years and well down on last year’s £170 million record.
“The absence of new club owners and the tightening of club finances and credit availability have helped to accelerate that trend and dampen down the market.”



Footballs moving into the real world at last and over the top fees and wages have got to go.

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Aug 5 2010, 06:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!
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Aug 5 2010, 09:49 PM
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Aug 5 2010, 06:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!

But at what cost? I'd rather have a club to support rather than one on the brink of going out of business.
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Aug 5 2010, 10:02 PM
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Aug 5 2010, 06:57 PM
Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!

But at what cost? I'd rather have a club to support rather than one on the brink of going out of business.

Why does ambition = going out of business for so many people?

Could we not have both (not saying I think we should splash 12 million) but ambition can lead to trophies, medals and glory!!
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Here is a question for you.

Say you had set yourself an ideal budget of £8 million pounds. The player you really really wanted, who would definately improve your team was £10 million pounds.

Would you rather:

A) Pay the extra £2 million pounds to get your ideal signing.

B) Pay the £8 Million pounds or less to get a signing who isn't as good as your ideal signing and isn't at the top of yur wanted list, but is all you can get for £8 million,

or

C) Pay nothing and sign noone.

Not saying I am in any particular boat just curious.

Pannu has already stated, although hopefully not serious, that we may just be better off keeping our money until January. But we said that last january after we spend the month fannying around trying to sign the likes of Pav/Babel etc.

We really do need to strengthen the current squad further. Although overall we had an awesome season and I don't want to take anything away from our achievments, our form from the West Ham game onwards last season was pretty woefull. I personally wouldn't want to go into the season hoping that was just because we were safe. Other than in perhaps central midfield we don't have enough strength in depth, despite what the players might tell you there isn't enough qaulity competition for places to put pressure on people and to prevent complacency.

I know we signed Michel and Gardner in January, and I know we have signed Zigic, Foster and Valles this season. However if we end up not signing anyone else I will feel very disappointed and let down just like I did in January.

If we do keep our money until January, prices won't be going down then either, so do we keep them again until the Summer?
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Stoke ambitious :LMAO:

Remy and his agent couldn't get out of Stokes training ground fast enough, i felt embarrassed for Stoke. If you havent saw it watch Skysports news and you'll see Remy and his agent getting out of Stoke like there was a bomb scare :LMAO:
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No thank you, these are the types of signings that got Portsmouth in all there difficulties, big transfer fees on granted talented but unproven players. West Ham or Stoke can have him for all I care.
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