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Are We Showing Enough Ambition; stoke and westham bid for remy
Topic Started: Aug 5 2010, 05:26 PM (910 Views)
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Aug 5 2010, 10:05 PM
Stoke ambitious :LMAO:

Remy and his agent couldn't get out of Stokes training ground fast enough, i felt embarrassed for Stoke. If you havent saw it watch Skysports news and you'll see Remy and his agent getting out of Stoke like there was a bomb scare :LMAO:

They both said it was purely a VISIT, they arent going to sign him.

Stoke cant afford 12 million on a player.

Weve spent more in this transfer window than we have for a long time and guess what...

Its still not enough for some of the people on this board.

I genuinely feel sorry for the new board because some of the fans on here will never be pleased.

We are showing ambition,

Just in steps.

Sorry but i dont want a football season in the next few years to rest on a court room decision like what pompeys did earlier today.

Cant we just be happy were signing players and im pretty sure there will be a few more coming in before the window shuts.


Some people will never pleased,

Im well excited just to be linked with the names we have been.

Baby steps, we will be in a cup final soon enough!

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it all depends on a clubs profit - not every club has the same and carson is just finding out how he can make as much money as possible as he is in for the long haul and as he said he is building step by step
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Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!

But at what cost? I'd rather have a club to support rather than one on the brink of going out of business.

Why does ambition = going out of business for so many people?

Could we not have both (not saying I think we should splash 12 million) but ambition can lead to trophies, medals and glory!!

its about us staying within our budget like any sensible business.

We will end up with both but it will take time.

the transfer fees are not what we have to be carful about its the wages and agents fees.

the bottom is falling out of the players wages in the prem and they will drop as the transfer window draws to a end.

they will keep dropping as they are to high for the money clubs have.

i hope it keeps falling and become realistic for once.

don't blame clubs and owners for the lack of signings

blame players and there agents
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Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!

But at what cost? I'd rather have a club to support rather than one on the brink of going out of business.

Why does ambition = going out of business for so many people?

Could we not have both (not saying I think we should splash 12 million) but ambition can lead to trophies, medals and glory!!

its about us staying within our budget like any sensible business.

We will end up with both but it will take time.

the transfer fees are not what we have to be carful about its the wages and agents fees.

the bottom is falling out of the players wages in the prem and they will drop as the transfer window draws to a end.

they will keep dropping as they are to high for the money clubs have.

i hope it keeps falling and become realistic for once.

don't blame clubs and owners for the lack of signings

blame players and there agents

that seemed like an advert with the end of it sounding like, "its not just food, it is M&S food"
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Pompey showed lots of ambition

And won the fa cup and played in Europe!

But at what cost? I'd rather have a club to support rather than one on the brink of going out of business.

Why does ambition = going out of business for so many people?

Could we not have both (not saying I think we should splash 12 million) but ambition can lead to trophies, medals and glory!!

its about us staying within our budget like any sensible business.

We will end up with both but it will take time.

the transfer fees are not what we have to be carful about its the wages and agents fees.

the bottom is falling out of the players wages in the prem and they will drop as the transfer window draws to a end.

they will keep dropping as they are to high for the money clubs have.

i hope it keeps falling and become realistic for once.

don't blame clubs and owners for the lack of signings

blame players and there agents

that seemed like an advert with the end of it sounding like, "its not just food, it is M&S food"

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How can you say we lack ambition - have you not seen the news???

http://www.bcfc.com/page/News/NewsDetail/0...2111871,00.html



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To those advocating that we "just pay the extra 2 million pounds" where do we get that from.

It equates to an extra 150 per seasons ticket holder - even if you are seasons ticket holder are you happy to pay the extra?
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Aug 5 2010, 10:22 PM
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Aug 5 2010, 10:05 PM
Stoke ambitious :LMAO:

Remy and his agent couldn't get out of Stokes training ground fast enough, i felt embarrassed for Stoke. If you havent saw it watch Skysports news and you'll see Remy and his agent getting out of Stoke like there was a bomb scare  :LMAO:

They both said it was purely a VISIT, they arent going to sign him.

Stoke cant afford 12 million on a player.

Weve spent more in this transfer window than we have for a long time and guess what...

Its still not enough for some of the people on this board.

I genuinely feel sorry for the new board because some of the fans on here will never be pleased.

We are showing ambition,

Just in steps.

Sorry but i dont want a football season in the next few years to rest on a court room decision like what pompeys did earlier today.

Cant we just be happy were signing players and im pretty sure there will be a few more coming in before the window shuts.


Some people will never pleased,

Im well excited just to be linked with the names we have been.

Baby steps, we will be in a cup final soon enough!

:banner:

No stoke have had a 12.5 million bid accepted, hence remy came to england to speak with pulis about contract and ambitions!!! Month club would let there player go and speak to another club without a bid being accepted and and permisson being given!!! Otherwise it would be classed as poaching and stoke would be in a lot of trouble. And can people stop comparing us with pompey. They were stupid. They had loads of players on over 60 k a week!! They paid 9 mill for utaka who's on a reported 80 k a week!!!! All I'm asking for is blues to push the boat out on a quality player we're desperate for!!! If we offered a reported 10 mill for pavlychenko then what's the big deal?? Personally I think yeung etc came here and didn't realise how expensive it is to run a football club, hence in jan they put in a massive bid for pav, and now they won't go over 8 million for nzogbia, who, take my word for ir, is well worth the money. Like I said if an unproven championship centre half (defenders are usually cheaper than attacking players) cost us 5 million, then why isn't nzogbia worth 10......he definately is, but its down to the board when it comes to the price of a player. If the money was there for nzogbia, mcleish would definately spend it!
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Aug 5 2010, 07:18 PM

It can then spiral out of control, like it did at Portsmouth

Not everybody who drinks is an alcoholic.
Why do people always bring up Portsmouth? There are plenty of other examples where shelling out that bit extra pays dividends, Darren Bent at Sunderland immediately springs to mind.
Agree with Jassy, ambition doesn't have to equal doom.
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Pompey showed lots of ambition

So every club who spend's a few bob is going to end up like Pompey?? why is it that because someone wants us to bid for a player who costs a bit more we have to have remarks that were going to go the way of pompey :banghead:

if this club was in some fans hands it would be skint and in debt in a week.

the reason i say it is the fact i think we are working within our budget and not over spending ourselves especially in the wages department.

if we were Pompey we would just pay what other teams and players agents wanted and that is foolish.

We are spending within our budget and that is what we should do.

The richest will come . but not yet.

if we were just spending spending i would be worried because it is obvious we don't have the money yet.

Even then we should not over spend.

Wages are going to go down as the sport especially in this country can't afford it.

that is why the transfer window is so slow.

wage demands are killing this transfer window and they will keep killing the following transfer windows until the players lower there demands.

Have you read the Deloitte warnings..

even the big clubs are getting caught out with this and takeovers are the only way they can balance there books.


;)

Agree with all that, but it doesn't mean that every club spending a few bob is going to go t1ts up, im sure our board will only spend what they can afford, but who's to say they haven't got 40 million to spend? just wish people would stop using this oh god if we spend big on a player or two were all doomed!! :banghead:
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Pompey showed lots of ambition

So every club who spend's a few bob is going to end up like Pompey?? why is it that because someone wants us to bid for a player who costs a bit more we have to have remarks that were going to go the way of pompey :banghead:

if this club was in some fans hands it would be skint and in debt in a week.

the reason i say it is the fact i think we are working within our budget and not over spending ourselves especially in the wages department.

if we were Pompey we would just pay what other teams and players agents wanted and that is foolish.

We are spending within our budget and that is what we should do.

The richest will come . but not yet.

if we were just spending spending i would be worried because it is obvious we don't have the money yet.

Even then we should not over spend.

Wages are going to go down as the sport especially in this country can't afford it.

that is why the transfer window is so slow.

wage demands are killing this transfer window and they will keep killing the following transfer windows until the players lower there demands.

Have you read the Deloitte warnings..

even the big clubs are getting caught out with this and takeovers are the only way they can balance there books.


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Agree with all that, but it doesn't mean that every club spending a few bob is going to go t1ts up, im sure our board will only spend what they can afford, but who's to say they haven't got 40 million to spend? just wish people would stop using this oh god if we spend big on a player or two were all doomed!! :banghead:

I know what you mean mate. I think saying we will all end up like Pompey is a little OTT and we are clever than that.

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I know what you mean mate. I think saying we will all end up like Pompey is a little OTT and we are clever than that.

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I wonder if Pompey thought they were being clever when they spent the money?

It's a fine line between sucess and failing. Spending guarantee’s nowt! The same as not spending....
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Aug 5 2010, 10:05 PM
Stoke ambitious :LMAO:

Remy and his agent couldn't get out of Stokes training ground fast enough, i felt embarrassed for Stoke. If you havent saw it watch Skysports news and you'll see Remy and his agent getting out of Stoke like there was a bomb scare  :LMAO:

They both said it was purely a VISIT, they arent going to sign him.

Stoke cant afford 12 million on a player.

Weve spent more in this transfer window than we have for a long time and guess what...

Its still not enough for some of the people on this board.

I genuinely feel sorry for the new board because some of the fans on here will never be pleased.

We are showing ambition,

Just in steps.

Sorry but i dont want a football season in the next few years to rest on a court room decision like what pompeys did earlier today.

Cant we just be happy were signing players and im pretty sure there will be a few more coming in before the window shuts.


Some people will never pleased,

Im well excited just to be linked with the names we have been.

Baby steps, we will be in a cup final soon enough!

:banner:

No stoke have had a 12.5 million bid accepted, hence remy came to england to speak with pulis about contract and ambitions!!! Month club would let there player go and speak to another club without a bid being accepted and and permisson being given!!! Otherwise it would be classed as poaching and stoke would be in a lot of trouble. And can people stop comparing us with pompey. They were stupid. They had loads of players on over 60 k a week!! They paid 9 mill for utaka who's on a reported 80 k a week!!!! All I'm asking for is blues to push the boat out on a quality player we're desperate for!!! If we offered a reported 10 mill for pavlychenko then what's the big deal?? Personally I think yeung etc came here and didn't realise how expensive it is to run a football club, hence in jan they put in a massive bid for pav, and now they won't go over 8 million for nzogbia, who, take my word for ir, is well worth the money. Like I said if an unproven championship centre half (defenders are usually cheaper than attacking players) cost us 5 million, then why isn't nzogbia worth 10......he definately is, but its down to the board when it comes to the price of a player. If the money was there for nzogbia, mcleish would definately spend it!

First thing that came up on google.

http://www.cradlebay.co.uk/index.php/2010/...riday-6-august/

Stoke’s Remy Bid On Hold
Stoke’s bid for Loic Remy has stalled despite the French striker visiting the club’s new Clayton Wood training ground yesterday.
Remy was impressed by what he saw but Stoke are unable to agree a fee with his club, Nice, while Remy was unable to agree personal terms. Remy is due back in England next week to talk to two more clubs.
He has previously been linked with both Liverpool and West Ham although there is no indication that he will be visiting either of those two clubs.

So they couldnt agree a fee or personal terms!

I think everyone should hold their breath untill the end of the window then all this pointless WHY ARENT WE SPENDING can stop.
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I know what you mean mate. I think saying we will all end up like Pompey is a little OTT and we are clever than that.

**thumbup

I wonder if Pompey thought they were being clever when they spent the money?

It's a fine line between sucess and failing. Spending guarantee’s nowt! The same as not spending....

I agree that is why a am glad Alex is an accountant and the board seen to have a plan and not just a spending one like other clubs. We have a long term plan and i hope a very very bright future. :bluzz:
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I know what you mean mate. I think saying we will all end up like Pompey is a little OTT and we are clever than that.

**thumbup

I wonder if Pompey thought they were being clever when they spent the money?

It's a fine line between sucess and failing. Spending guarantee’s nowt! The same as not spending....

I agree that is why a am glad Alex is an accountant and the board seen to have a plan and not just a spending one like other clubs. We have a long term plan and i hope a very very bright future. :bluzz:

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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.
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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED! :banghead:
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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

**thumbup Agreed, its the getting players that people notice, but because AMC keeps his attempts of signing quiet, then people dont notice. Simples!

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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED! :banghead:

True and everything in football is about greed.

Unfortunately it's not about the game anymore but money
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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED! :banghead:

I think the wages have a massive amount to do with the transfer window being asleep and player shopping around.

Agents you have milked it dry, its your fault the money has gone.... :angry:


Don't pay above what we can afford Blues.

and don't put all your eggs in one basket if it is better spent on 4 transfers rather than 1 and his agent.

Agents don't play do they
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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

ITS GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED! :banghead:

True and everything in football is about greed.

Unfortunately it's not about the game anymore but money

Well said dr.nick :applause: :applause:

Been the same for some 25+ years now, its all about the money..

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Just on sky sports news that loric remy has been in stoke today for talks with pulis. Apparently a 12 and a half million bid has been accepted. He's back in the country next week for talks with 2 other clubs believed to be west ham and liverpool. Now mcleish has stated that nzogbia is too pricey for us, but 10 mill too pricey??? As much as I despise sullivan, he has spent a few bob already without letting any players and have also had a big bid for remy accepted. My point is, that 10 mill for a player these days is NOT a massive amount and I believe for us too progress you have to pay these prices for proven quality. People say 10 mill for nzogbia is well over his 'true' value. Think about it for a minute we paid 5 mill for roger johnson, and unproven championship centre half!!! 10 mill for a proven, quality winger who has played for his country is well worth it when you put it into perspective. We need to, as a fan base, as well as a club need to realise that 5-6 mill for a player is basic these days.

That is exactly Dave Whelan's argument.
If you are prepared to pay £8million like,what's another couple?

NZogbia has yet to play for France - he has just been called up for his first senior match - because all of the 23 that went to South Africa have been overlooked on purpose. So is he really a £10 million pound player ?

It's hardball time and clubs that have held back from releasing unhappy players will be faced with a dilemna soon.

Keep an unhappy player on high wages, put him in your 25 man squad?If there is room.

Or take the best offer you've had?

McLeish and blues knew they needed about 5 or 6 quality players this summer.

At £10 million a time whats that going to cost fella?

Johnson and Dann cost £8 mill - shows how good McLeish's due diligence was on those players. But if they'd cost £10 mill each ????

It really is nonsensical to pay what greedy clubs or agents want. Far better to wait and then step in when they are panicking about their wage bills.

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The problem with Dave's argument is if you say whats an extra 2 ontop of the 8 for one player, and then you do the same for another, thats 4 mil down the drain which could have been used to by another player.

2 good players for 20 mil or 2 good players and one good young prospect for 20 mil

Which is the best deal?
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Just on sky sports news that loric remy has been in stoke today for talks with pulis. Apparently a 12 and a half million bid has been accepted. He's back in the country next week for talks with 2 other clubs believed to be west ham and liverpool. Now mcleish has stated that nzogbia is too pricey for us, but 10 mill too pricey??? As much as I despise sullivan, he has spent a few bob already without letting any players and have also had a big bid for remy accepted. My point is, that 10 mill for a player these days is NOT a massive amount and I believe for us too progress you have to pay these prices for proven quality. People say 10 mill for nzogbia is well over his 'true' value. Think about it for a minute we paid 5 mill for roger johnson, and unproven championship centre half!!! 10 mill for a proven, quality winger who has played for his country is well worth it when you put it into perspective. We need to, as a fan base, as well as a club need to realise that 5-6 mill for a player is basic these days.

That is exactly Dave Whelan's argument.
If you are prepared to pay £8million like,what's another couple?

NZogbia has yet to play for France - he has just been called up for his first senior match - because all of the 23 that went to South Africa have been overlooked on purpose. So is he really a £10 million pound player ?

It's hardball time and clubs that have held back from releasing unhappy players will be faced with a dilemna soon.

Keep an unhappy player on high wages, put him in your 25 man squad?If there is room.

Or take the best offer you've had?

McLeish and blues knew they needed about 5 or 6 quality players this summer.

At £10 million a time whats that going to cost fella?

Johnson and Dann cost £8 mill - shows how good McLeish's due diligence was on those players. But if they'd cost £10 mill each ????

It really is nonsensical to pay what greedy clubs or agents want. Far better to wait and then step in when they are panicking about their wage bills.

**thumbup

The problem with Dave's argument is if you say whats an extra 2 ontop of the 8 for one player, and then you do the same for another, thats 4 mil down the drain which could have been used to by another player.

2 good players for 20 mil or 2 good players and one good young prospect for 20 mil

Which is the best deal?

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2 good players and one good young prospect for 20 mil


At our time of development it has to be this.. **thumbup
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I think we are being ambitous , when you see how much we have bid for players and the quality then it plane to see.

All we can do is make offers and if they are rejected then that's not a lack of ambition.

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Would anyone like to be a West Ham fan right now?

All they are getting is brand new to them - Beckham - Remy - Henry - Van Nistleroy - and they get Hitzlesperger and Reid.

When we bid, like anyone sensible we have a ceiling. If the selling club feels they can push it higher, rip-us-off in fact - then it becomes a matter of principle and not a lack of ambition.

We need a few more players - we all agree don't we?

But, if we pay over the odds on one or two, what chances do we have of getting the required number of qualty players we needed? And keeping within our budget.

Like puppies, the tranfer signing is for life, not just 6 months.(A footballers life anyway). :D Carson Yeung intends to build up this club, I believe him.

But we are not Man City by any stretch, so we can't buy 11 top of the range players in one go. It has to be step by step.

That, to me, is good financial husbandry AND Ambition.

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Aug 5 2010, 06:26 PM
Just on sky sports news that loric remy has been in stoke today for talks with pulis. Apparently a 12 and a half million bid has been accepted. He's back in the country next week for talks with 2 other clubs believed to be west ham and liverpool. Now mcleish has stated that nzogbia is too pricey for us, but 10 mill too pricey??? As much as I despise sullivan, he has spent a few bob already without letting any players and have also had a big bid for remy accepted. My point is, that 10 mill for a player these days is NOT a massive amount and I believe for us too progress you have to pay these prices for proven quality. People say 10 mill for nzogbia is well over his 'true' value. Think about it for a minute we paid 5 mill for roger johnson, and unproven championship centre half!!! 10 mill for a proven, quality winger who has played for his country is well worth it when you put it into perspective. We need to, as a fan base, as well as a club need to realise that 5-6 mill for a player is basic these days.

That is exactly Dave Whelan's argument.
If you are prepared to pay £8million like,what's another couple?

NZogbia has yet to play for France - he has just been called up for his first senior match - because all of the 23 that went to South Africa have been overlooked on purpose. So is he really a £10 million pound player ?

It's hardball time and clubs that have held back from releasing unhappy players will be faced with a dilemna soon.

Keep an unhappy player on high wages, put him in your 25 man squad?If there is room.

Or take the best offer you've had?

McLeish and blues knew they needed about 5 or 6 quality players this summer.

At £10 million a time whats that going to cost fella?

Johnson and Dann cost £8 mill - shows how good McLeish's due diligence was on those players. But if they'd cost £10 mill each ????

It really is nonsensical to pay what greedy clubs or agents want. Far better to wait and then step in when they are panicking about their wage bills.

**thumbup

The problem with Dave's argument is if you say whats an extra 2 ontop of the 8 for one player, and then you do the same for another, thats 4 mil down the drain which could have been used to by another player.

2 good players for 20 mil or 2 good players and one good young prospect for 20 mil

Which is the best deal?

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2 good players and one good young prospect for 20 mil


At our time of development it has to be this.. **thumbup

and I think thats also along ecks thinking as with valles (sp?), shroot and o'shea we have a good few youngsters he has got along with theose who hve been with us for a while like mutch
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