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The scapegoat Cameron Jerome); Merged Threads (PLEASE DO NOT REPOST)
Topic Started: Aug 21 2010, 07:00 PM (4,595 Views)
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Aug 29 2010, 03:40 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 04:31 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:13 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 04:05 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:02 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 02:54 PM
24 of the 40 posts above are critical of Jerome. I don't even need to count the ones that support him. Maybe the Jerome fans are down the pub drinking to his health and continued good performances rather than posting on here.

Or maybe there just aren't that many who think he's any good...

Well funnily enough mcleish always starts him and very rarely takes him off.......why's that? The truth is a lot of you think you know a lot about football. Key word is 'think'. You haven't got a clue, big eck knows a lot more than me, than you, than all of us, and believe it or not jerome is the first name on the team sheet.

You seem to like Jerome for some reason then. A youngster who has never seen one of the old school do or die players we used to have, maybe? We do still have some like that, of course, it's just that CJ is not one of them is he really? :kiss:

Oh you mean like Jon McCarthy, Garry Pendry and the rest who unless i am mistaken were all ripped to shreds by Blues fans....

No, I mean Ferdinand Coly, Rowan Vine, Emile Heskey :ball:

You're being very selective there, Willie. Have I said we haven't had our fair share of donkies over the years? No I'm not. I'm saying we've had some players who would appear to be willing to die for the chance to play for Blues and Jerome isn't one of them.
In fact, now I've mentioned it, donkies... Hmmmmm....

In your opinion.

I cannot beleive the slating Jerome gets. ok he missed a chance to score does he really deserve all this?

he is the level of striker this club can afford if he took every chance that came his way do you really think he would be here??

In my time i have seen Latchford, Francis,Hatton,Greenhoff,Bridges and the rest all miss simple chances the difference being in those days Blues fans had a better understanding of the game and were more tolerant.

No they wasn't, and there wasn't message boards then either, if there had been it would be the same as it is today, football is all about opinions always will be Willie, players got slated back then and will do in the future at every club not just Blues.
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If you play negative football against ten men, you deserve all you get. :silence: Was that C Js fault as well?
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Aug 29 2010, 04:52 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:50 PM
I think 99% of people on here are happy with the draw, but I think it is time to realise that Jerome just doesn't have the passion or the skill to take us forward.

He can't finish, header, or hold the ball up.

Can anyone really argue with that statement (sorry fact)?

Or even better, can someone tell me what he does do well.

What you call fact is an opinion

What IS fact is the FACT the jerome score MORE goals last season than any of our other strikers, and by a mile

You might just want to check up the definition of fact and opinion before replying

True, but O'Connor would've if he had been fit (in my opinion)

And now we have Zigic and Derbyshire, who i consider to be better players, well Derbyshire shows alot more desire.

To be honest, im just fed up of his laziness. I think to get the best out of him, he is a 30 mins from the end striker. He might put more effort in then.

Im not saying he isn't trying 100%, just that he certainly doesnt show that he does. I want a striker who is going to get straight back onside, not walk back. Win headers against smaller players, be able to score one on ones.

Is that too much to ask?




One thing though, watch Jeromes miss again tonight, and look at the amount of space the keeper left to his right. Shocking positioning.
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Aug 29 2010, 04:59 PM
If you play negative football against ten men, you deserve all you get. :silence: Was that C Js fault as well?

when he makes a mistake or misses a goal like he did today then yes we can have a go, but when other team mates don't give him service and we creat nothing then no you can't just blame him solely

its a team game

Jerome is part of a team, that is not performing at the minute, well not performing for the whole game.

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Aug 29 2010, 04:59 PM
If you play negative football against ten men, you deserve all you get. :silence: Was that C Js fault as well?

Oh, there is no debating the fact McLeish got it wrong. We backed off and let them back into the game.

However, the Jerome thing is something that has bugged me for a couple of years, fair enough he has scored goals but i just dont think that he gives 100%, especially today.
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Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

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exactly its not a case of being ambitious or not, its not a case of accepting failure, its a case of being proud no matter what others say think or do

I remember blues games where they sang "you've never won f all" to us and we replied with a huge chorus of "we've never wonf all" - thats not being self deprecating or defeatist - its about having a sense of humour and good natured attitude to it all - a lot of that was lost after the second prem season when all of a sudden we got ideas above our station.

I want us to be as successful as the next person, but I also understand we cannot go out overnight or in one window and buy 5 10mil+ rated players and sign people on 80,000 a week like others want to.

There is a danger in running before you can walk and as eck, yeung and others have said we will do things in a step by step methodical way - that will not be of interest to the 'new' type of football fan who sees man city spending x amount of millions on a single player and who see money and spending as a fast track way to the top.

Its about building a club for the furture from the infrastructure regarding health and wellbeing of the players to training and training facilities to strengthening the squad for the better of the squad, not just buying big name players for the sake of trying to keep the fans happy.

But im rambling now and going off on a mad tangent...I think we were talking about jerome a few paragraphs ago?
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Aug 29 2010, 04:05 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

:bluzz:

I like you :LOL:
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Aug 29 2010, 04:02 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:57 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM
We want a prolific striker not a horrific one! I don't like slating our players but I'm sick of him.

Well said. :applause: and enough said :redcard:

I've said it beofre and the question was avoided, name a striker the club can afford that would score on a regular basis who would come to the club. its easy to slag of players be constructive ...lets see tha names.....

Orrr, why don't the ones we already have start playing to their potential, and at least give 100% for the team.

Oh, and Mouassa Dembele, Robbie Keane for two.

You mean like the fans?

You may not have noticed Dembele signed for Fulham and as for Keane he is on £60 or 70k a week. i did say strikers the club can afford.

We could've had Dembele if we wanted him. £5m? We were gonna pay £9m for N'Zogbia.

Robbie Keane, we could afford £40/50k a week for him, easy.

Newcastle are favourites to sign him!?

"Keane was meant to be joining Aston Villa earlier in the summer but Martin O’Neill’s departure and a lack of funds torpedoed that deal.

United ARE prepared to cough up for the striker, though, and are nearing an agreement that would see them cover a proportion of Keane’s wages."

So there is our affordable striker.

But then again, I think Zigic and Derbyshire/O'Connor upfront should be tried.

Jerome can be a good player for us, but only off the bench for 20 mions. He is not a starter, not by any imagination.

No we could not He chose to go to Fulham.

If Villa could not afford him how could he have been set to join them ? i guess you are getting this info from the numerous transfer reports in the press.

From reports Newcastle cannot afford to get Keane on bpard as theysimply do not have the money,and are having to stick with the squad that got them promoted.

If Blues were prepared to pay Keane £50-60-70K A week i would be very suprised.

O'connor according to some on here is not up to it.

Derbyshire has been brought in to replace a 37 yr old who spends most of his time on the bench.

Strikers of the calibre we require cost huge amounts and quite simply we do not have that kind of money or the prestige to attract that sort of player.
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Aug 29 2010, 03:59 PM
If you play negative football against ten men, you deserve all you get. :silence: Was that C Js fault as well?

2-0 up ain't negative football tomatoes
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bcfcno1fan
Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

:bluzz:

I like you :LOL:

That is one of THE most frustrating things about the anti CJ brigade...

when he does something right it's

'I could have set that up'
'My nan could have scored from there'
'It could have been anyone that got it over the line'

...it wasn't you or your Nan or anyone else though!
It was CJ so when he deserves it give him some credit, or better yet why don't you continue to mock him or sit there in silence at Stans until he makes the slightest mistake and then immediately get on his back? That's the way to make a good confidence player great isn't it!?



:bluzz: :Blues:
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Am i missing something here, did Jerome not set up two goals today. He has set up 4 goals in 3 goals give him break. It's no wonder he doesn't give his all he probably reads what some people put on here. All my firends Stoke, Wolves baggies infact any supporter i speak to rates him, when i quote his 11 goals and 4 assists last season they are even more impressed. I have to admit i never appreciated Jerome at all but sometimes you just have to admit your wrong.
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Aug 29 2010, 05:17 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 04:08 PM
blondblunose
Aug 29 2010, 04:05 PM
bcfcno1fan
Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

:bluzz:

I like you :LOL:

That is one of THE most frustrating things about the anti CJ brigade...

when he does something right it's

'I could have set that up'
'My nan could have scored from there'
'It could have been anyone that got it over the line'

...it wasn't you or your Nan or anyone else though!
It was CJ so when he deserves it give him some credit, or better yet why don't you continue to mock him or sit there in silence at Stans until he makes the slightest mistake and then immediately get on his back? That's the way to make a good confidence player great isn't it!?



:bluzz: :Blues:

Im not one of those who would boo Jerome, or want him to fail.

Truth be told, i want him to start next week and go and bang in a double hat-trick! :LOL:

But i just think he is lazy, and isn't a starter, but has the potential to be a consistent goalscorer in the Prem. But his attitude, he wont.

Ill be there at St Andys against L'pool cheering like the rest of you!
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Aug 29 2010, 05:21 PM
Am i missing something here, did Jerome not set up two goals today. He has set up 4 goals in 3 goals give him break. It's no wonder he doesn't give his all he probably reads what some people put on here. All my firends Stoke, Wolves baggies infact any supporter i speak to rates him, when i quote his 11 goals and 4 assists last season they are even more impressed. I have to admit i never appreciated Jerome at all but sometimes you just have to admit your wrong.

Sorry Ian but whatever comments you make about Jerome you are wrong.

He's useless, or thats what people on here are happy to argue with you about.

He's the current scapegoat, and has taken over from Marcus Bent, Heskey, Julian Gray, Clinton Morrison, to name but a few... :whistle:
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Aug 29 2010, 04:25 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 05:17 PM
pooley
Aug 29 2010, 04:08 PM
blondblunose
Aug 29 2010, 04:05 PM
bcfcno1fan
Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

:bluzz:

I like you :LOL:

That is one of THE most frustrating things about the anti CJ brigade...

when he does something right it's

'I could have set that up'
'My nan could have scored from there'
'It could have been anyone that got it over the line'

...it wasn't you or your Nan or anyone else though!
It was CJ so when he deserves it give him some credit, or better yet why don't you continue to mock him or sit there in silence at Stans until he makes the slightest mistake and then immediately get on his back? That's the way to make a good confidence player great isn't it!?



:bluzz: :Blues:

Im not one of those who would boo Jerome, or want him to fail.

Truth be told, i want him to start next week and go and bang in a double hat-trick! :LOL:

But i just think he is lazy, and isn't a starter, but has the potential to be a consistent goalscorer in the Prem. But his attitude, he wont.

Ill be there at St Andys against L'pool cheering like the rest of you!

He reminds me of Darius Vassell. Lights on no one in.
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Aug 29 2010, 04:02 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:57 PM
Thanks(AGAIN)Wigan!
Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM
We want a prolific striker not a horrific one! I don't like slating our players but I'm sick of him.

Well said. :applause: and enough said :redcard:

I've said it beofre and the question was avoided, name a striker the club can afford that would score on a regular basis who would come to the club. its easy to slag of players be constructive ...lets see tha names.....

Orrr, why don't the ones we already have start playing to their potential, and at least give 100% for the team.

Oh, and Mouassa Dembele, Robbie Keane for two.

You mean like the fans?

You may not have noticed Dembele signed for Fulham and as for Keane he is on £60 or 70k a week. i did say strikers the club can afford.

We could've had Dembele if we wanted him. £5m? We were gonna pay £9m for N'Zogbia.

Robbie Keane, we could afford £40/50k a week for him, easy.

Newcastle are favourites to sign him!?

"Keane was meant to be joining Aston Villa earlier in the summer but Martin O’Neill’s departure and a lack of funds torpedoed that deal.

United ARE prepared to cough up for the striker, though, and are nearing an agreement that would see them cover a proportion of Keane’s wages."

So there is our affordable striker.

But then again, I think Zigic and Derbyshire/O'Connor upfront should be tried.

Jerome can be a good player for us, but only off the bench for 20 mions. He is not a starter, not by any imagination.

No we could not He chose to go to Fulham.

If Villa could not afford him how could he have been set to join them ? i guess you are getting this info from the numerous transfer reports in the press.

From reports Newcastle cannot afford to get Keane on bpard as theysimply do not have the money,and are having to stick with the squad that got them promoted.

If Blues were prepared to pay Keane £50-60-70K A week i would be very suprised.

O'connor according to some on here is not up to it.

Derbyshire has been brought in to replace a 37 yr old who spends most of his time on the bench.

Strikers of the calibre we require cost huge amounts and quite simply we do not have that kind of money or the prestige to attract that sort of player.

Do you not think we can get a decent striker for £10m?

We were gonna pay £9.5m for N'Zogbia so i dont think 10 is a stretch.

I can't name a big list of players, even though I am an avid Football Manager player! :LOL:

But surely thats what the scouts are for.
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Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM
We want a prolific striker not a horrific one! I don't like slating our players but I'm sick of him.

Well said. :applause: and enough said :redcard:

I've said it beofre and the question was avoided, name a striker the club can afford that would score on a regular basis who would come to the club. its easy to slag of players be constructive ...lets see tha names.....

Orrr, why don't the ones we already have start playing to their potential, and at least give 100% for the team.

Oh, and Mouassa Dembele, Robbie Keane for two.

You mean like the fans?

You may not have noticed Dembele signed for Fulham and as for Keane he is on £60 or 70k a week. i did say strikers the club can afford.

We could've had Dembele if we wanted him. £5m? We were gonna pay £9m for N'Zogbia.

Robbie Keane, we could afford £40/50k a week for him, easy.

Newcastle are favourites to sign him!?

"Keane was meant to be joining Aston Villa earlier in the summer but Martin O’Neill’s departure and a lack of funds torpedoed that deal.

United ARE prepared to cough up for the striker, though, and are nearing an agreement that would see them cover a proportion of Keane’s wages."

So there is our affordable striker.

But then again, I think Zigic and Derbyshire/O'Connor upfront should be tried.

Jerome can be a good player for us, but only off the bench for 20 mions. He is not a starter, not by any imagination.

Dembele chose fulham over us, nothing to do with money, more about the draw of living in the big smoke.
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you can let cam off after seeing 'notverybrightone' miss an open net for villa from 6 yards out
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Aug 29 2010, 04:33 PM
you can let cam off after seeing 'notverybrightone' miss an open net for villa from 6 yards out

**thumbup

But no. some people will say Jerome is the worst player in the history of football.

Unbelievable
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Aug 29 2010, 04:02 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 04:59 PM
If you play negative football against ten men, you deserve all you get. :silence:  Was that C Js fault as well?

when he makes a mistake or misses a goal like he did today then yes we can have a go, but when other team mates don't give him service and we creat nothing then no you can't just blame him solely

its a team game

Jerome is part of a team, that is not performing at the minute, well not performing for the whole game.

if we keep not performing for the season and stay 6th that'll do me
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Aug 29 2010, 03:38 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:34 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:32 PM
I never started this thread, the op one here is from my thread last week, I wouldn,t have the sympathy to call him a scape goat so how has this post ended up changing its name?

Because one of the mods or admin had the foresight to merge all the anti Jerome threads and call them what they are.

at least you appreciate my sense of humour **thumbup

Its about time we had a little bit of banter and humour bought back to here because atm all the threads are

1. so and so is rubbish

2. the whole team is rubbish

3. board is rubbish.

4. management are rubbish

and the counter argument to all of this is the other side of the coin where people say

5. fans are rubbish, stop moaning etc.

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Its ironic threads are all moaning about something, and then people start making threads moaning about the people who are moaning.

counter argument is we're 6th
3 games unbeaten
2 away
could've been 9points with a little luck ( carr header - 2 naff ref decisions)
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Aug 29 2010, 05:38 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:38 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:34 PM
Joeybluenose
Aug 29 2010, 03:32 PM
I never started this thread, the op one here is from my thread last week, I wouldn,t have the sympathy to call him a scape goat so how has this post ended up changing its name?

Because one of the mods or admin had the foresight to merge all the anti Jerome threads and call them what they are.

at least you appreciate my sense of humour **thumbup

Its about time we had a little bit of banter and humour bought back to here because atm all the threads are

1. so and so is rubbish

2. the whole team is rubbish

3. board is rubbish.

4. management are rubbish

and the counter argument to all of this is the other side of the coin where people say

5. fans are rubbish, stop moaning etc.

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Its ironic threads are all moaning about something, and then people start making threads moaning about the people who are moaning.

counter argument is we're 6th
3 games unbeaten
2 away
could've been 9points with a little luck ( carr header - 2 naff ref decisions)

Luck plays a huge part in a season and we don't seem to get our share...
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I know ill get slated for this and its another opportunity for you to have a good, but look at these statistics and have some food for though.

Everyones Favourite Striker- Forssell.

2003–2004 → Birmingham City (loan) 32 (17)
2004–2005 → Birmingham City (loan) 4 (0)
2005–2008 Birmingham City 65 (13)

Total of 30 goals in 101 apps

Everyone on this forums new toy - Derbyshire.

2004–2009 Blackburn Rovers 62 (10)
2004–2005 → Plymouth Argyle (loan) 12 (0)
2005–2006 → Wrexham (loan) 16 (10)
2009 → Olympiacos (loan) 13 (8)
2009– Olympiacos 21 (6)
2010– → Birmingham City (loan) 2 (1)

35 goals in 125 appearance

Cameron Jerome.

Birmingham 2009 - 10 League 32 (0) 10
FA Cup 4 (0) 0
Birmingham 2008 - 09 League 25 (18) 9
FA Cup 1 (0) 0
League Cup 0 (1) 1
Birmingham 2007 - 08 League 21 (12) 7
FA Cup 0 (1) 0
Birmingham 2006 - 07 League 20 (18) 7
FA Cup 2 (0) 0
League Cup 4 (0) 2

That works out to 34 goals in 107 Starts. (157 total)

How can we be knocking someone that has as good a record as people like Forssell and Derbyshire.

I dont see how we can complain, weve scored 10 goals in 4 games, something we struggled to do last year, we arent beaten in the first 3 games of the premiership,

Still not good enough for some people.

Support the team not slate them at every opportunity, Jerome missed a chance on his weaker foot but lets not blame him because we drew, a mixture of the ref and ourselves drew that game. we let bolton back at us in the second half.

We should be happy that were doing so well as opposed to slating players who need all the confidence they can get.

How about we do something different and actually get behind the team!



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I thought Jerome did a very good job on his own up there today and in previous matches hes by far been our best centre forward in the past few years
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Aug 29 2010, 04:05 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:45 PM

Stephen Carr could've set that one up.


He didn't though did he? Jerome did.

CJ for life!!

:bluzz:

He should get life after today's showing...and I hope they don't let him out on Saturday afternoons!
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