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The scapegoat Cameron Jerome); Merged Threads (PLEASE DO NOT REPOST)
Topic Started: Aug 21 2010, 07:00 PM (4,602 Views)
poppa999
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Can I revive the "Is the Jury still out on Zigic" thread yet? :(
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elvis ok
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poppa999
Aug 21 2010, 10:13 PM
Can I revive the "Is the Jury still out on Zigic" thread yet? :(

Course you can fella.

You can add it to the "Is the Jury stil out on Carr?" thread.

Even older threads -
Is the Jury still out on

Ferguson ?

Bowyer?

Carsley ?

Larsson ?

McFadden ?

This way it will save time and also you will be amongst friendly blues-bashers.

Keep happy man :LMAO:
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Mr_Blue_Sky
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The funny thing is, so many of you are so busy slagging Jerome off, no-one has actually realised/mentioned that he showed today that he has improved his game in one aspect.

What is one of the things Jerome wasnt doing last season? As a quick striker, a few people said he doesnt beat men or take people on. There was a time today when he was in the Blackburn half to the right of the Tilton, and he was literally touching the line, and he had nowhere to go, so he turned, beat the man and ran towards the flag, cutting in, should have had a corner but the ref gave it as a Blackburn GK.

We all know he isnt the finished article, but for Gods sake why are people moaning about our Top Goalscorer from last season, who is working hard to improve his game.

He is even jumping into headers now trying to win aerial challenges, even though he knew he had no chance against Samba. The people saying he shows no heart have obviously seen very few BCFC games, because he chases every ball with enthusiasm
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Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 10:20 PM
The funny thing is, so many of you are so busy slagging Jerome off, no-one has actually realised/mentioned that he showed today that he has improved his game in one aspect.

What is one of the things Jerome wasnt doing last season? As a quick striker, a few people said he doesnt beat men or take people on. There was a time today when he was in the Blackburn half to the right of the Tilton, and he was literally touching the line, and he had nowhere to go, so he turned, beat the man and ran towards the flag, cutting in, should have had a corner but the ref gave it as a Blackburn GK.

We all know he isnt the finished article, but for Gods sake why are people moaning about our Top Goalscorer from last season, who is working hard to improve his game.

He is even jumping into headers now trying to win aerial challenges, even though he knew he had no chance against Samba. The people saying he shows no heart have obviously seen very few BCFC games, because he chases every ball with enthusiasm

Oh dear.
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elvis ok
Aug 21 2010, 10:12 PM
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Aug 21 2010, 09:59 PM
Replying to the OP he was dreadful he is 5 seconds behind the game in his head, his body language / persona is awful.

Needs a good kick up the backside.

So the Blackburn defenders just ignored him?

Forced him out,kicked his shins for good luck?

They must have had an easy afternon, shame they didn't bring their deckchairs fela !

:banghead:

So what are you saying then did he play well?
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MikaelForssell
Aug 21 2010, 07:23 PM
Joeybluenose
Aug 21 2010, 07:18 PM
WythallBlue
Aug 21 2010, 07:09 PM
'No heart'...?? Very harsh!!! Not his best game I agree but I'm not having that!

Why not, the man pulls out of every challenge in the air, players with heart dont. Call me a hater or what you want. I'm sick of waiting for his confidence to rise and him to turn it on. If he wants the crowd behind him do something good he's had enough chances

He was our top scorer last year, matured as a player a bit, and still people will slate him and say "he's had enough chances"...


The problem is that no matter what he does, he'll never be good enough for some people.

:Blues: Last year is history and counts for nothing now.

The service to the front was poor but the little bit Jerome did get he screwed it up.

I like Jerome and I wish some one would wave a wand and make him a better player but I think the fact is he is just not improving. You can read threads like this for every season he has played for us and it is not just because there is a hate division it is because he is genuinely not improving.

Sad but true and we all need to realise that lovers and haters alike.
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Mr_Blue_Sky
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Aug 21 2010, 09:23 PM
Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 10:20 PM
The funny thing is, so many of you are so busy slagging Jerome off, no-one has actually realised/mentioned that he showed today that he has improved his game in one aspect.

What is one of the things Jerome wasnt doing last season? As a quick striker, a few people said he doesnt beat men or take people on. There was a time today when he was in the Blackburn half to the right of the Tilton, and he was literally touching the line, and he had nowhere to go, so he turned, beat the man and ran towards the flag, cutting in, should have had a corner but the ref gave it as a Blackburn GK.

We all know he isnt the finished article, but for Gods sake why are people moaning about our Top Goalscorer from last season, who is working hard to improve his game.

He is even jumping into headers now trying to win aerial challenges, even though he knew he had no chance against Samba. The people saying he shows no heart have obviously seen very few BCFC games, because he chases every ball with enthusiasm

Oh dear.

Problem?
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Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 10:39 PM
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Aug 21 2010, 09:23 PM
Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 10:20 PM
The funny thing is, so many of you are so busy slagging Jerome off, no-one has actually realised/mentioned that he showed today that he has improved his game in one aspect.

What is one of the things Jerome wasnt doing last season? As a quick striker, a few people said he doesnt beat men or take people on. There was a time today when he was in the Blackburn half to the right of the Tilton, and he was literally touching the line, and he had nowhere to go, so he turned, beat the man and ran towards the flag, cutting in, should have had a corner but the ref gave it as a Blackburn GK.

We all know he isnt the finished article, but for Gods sake why are people moaning about our Top Goalscorer from last season, who is working hard to improve his game.

He is even jumping into headers now trying to win aerial challenges, even though he knew he had no chance against Samba. The people saying he shows no heart have obviously seen very few BCFC games, because he chases every ball with enthusiasm

Oh dear.

Problem?

No i have no problem you do **thumbup
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bluein72
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Aug 21 2010, 07:40 PM
You know what yeah, people can quote me on this in a few years time.

One day, Jerome is gonna leave this football club, and every single on of you that slagged him off, is gonna realise exactly what he brings to this team, even when he isnt scoring.

Mark my words.

I coudn't agree more. It's not Jerome that's the problem it's the service.
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bluenosedeano
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Agree
Having to run after loss causes - but without the usual drive he usually has.
Did anyone notice that the Zig doesn't jump for headers???
The commentator that I was watching the game from Overseas stated it early on and he was spot on. Very worrying as when you jump, y ou get get more certain, agressive body power behind it, thus thats why smaller people were beating him today and probably why he was worried he was going to be beaten when he gave the penalty away and their player scored "a head" of him.
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beegeeblueboy
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Yes Jerome is continuing to improve but as Alan Hansen said about Theo Walcott on MotD "you can't teach someone how to have a football brain". Zigic has it and needs a partner with one too (Phillips or Derbyshire).

Having said that Zigic looks off the pace at the moment. It didn't help humping balls up to him for the first 20 minutes though.
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bluenosekev
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Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 07:40 PM
You know what yeah, people can quote me on this in a few years time.

One day, Jerome is gonna leave this football club, and every single on of you that slagged him off, is gonna realise exactly what he brings to this team, even when he isnt scoring.

Mark my words.

:LMAO: :LMAO:

Dont think so Lukey :LMAO:

Also when CJ eventually does leave BCFC it wont be for another prem club it will be for the championship,no other prem club would be daft enough to sign him..

And before someone reminds me about his goals last season, it was a complete one off..a fluke..not to be repeated..

Mark my words. ;)

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DavoHRE
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Jerome has the pace, strength and work ethic and is by all indications a lovely bloke. The problem is, his football IQ is about as low as any player in the Prem and he has no skill or touch. Invariably, when he tries to take more than one or two touches, something bad happens. Yesterday he even stepped ON the ball.

It's sad, he just doesn't have the mental ability to take advantage of his physical tools. Put KP's head/instinct in CJ's body and you'd be laughing. Not buying that he doesn't have heart. When you see him not getting the right side of his defender to meet a long ball, it's not cos he doesn't care, it's cos he just doesn't know any better.
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bluenosekev
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Aug 22 2010, 06:50 AM
Jerome has the pace, strength and work ethic and is by all indications a lovely bloke. The problem is, his football IQ is about as low as any player in the Prem and he has no skill or touch. Invariably, when he tries to take more than one or two touches, something bad happens. Yesterday he even stepped ON the ball.

It's sad, he just doesn't have the mental ability to take advantage of his physical tools. Put KP's head/instinct in CJ's body and you'd be laughing. Not buying that he doesn't have heart. When you see him not getting the right side of his defender to meet a long ball, it's not cos he doesn't care, it's cos he just doesn't know any better.

Thats a good post mate :applause:

Tbh I dont know what all the fuss is, Jerome yesterday was Jerome, nothing new there!!

Kro.
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bluenosekev
Aug 22 2010, 06:52 AM
DavoHRE
Aug 22 2010, 06:50 AM
Jerome has the pace, strength and work ethic and is by all indications a lovely bloke. The problem is, his football IQ is about as low as any player in the Prem and he has no skill or touch. Invariably, when he tries to take more than one or two touches, something bad happens. Yesterday he even stepped ON the ball.

It's sad, he just doesn't have the mental ability to take advantage of his physical tools. Put KP's head/instinct in CJ's body and you'd be laughing. Not buying that he doesn't have heart. When you see him not getting the right side of his defender to meet a long ball, it's not cos he doesn't care, it's cos he just doesn't know any better.

Thats a good post mate :applause:

Tbh I dont know what all the fuss is, Jerome yesterday was Jerome, nothing new there!!

Kro.

Exactly. The cat is well and truly out the bag on Cameron by now, we know what we're gonna get from him, and he's not exactly the next Dugarry.
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he was top scorer last season, not a bad return, 11 prem goals! I predict 15 this season, a good return. what ever he does it will never be good enough for the bashers!

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Lucky
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Well Jerome is flavour of the month then,
Who will be next,Carr perhaps,it happens every season.
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Bluenose4life
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Amazing how Jerome last season got us 11 goals worked his B's off and gets slagged off at every opportunity yet Chucho got us 3 goals in the league and gets hailed as some sort of god

Cameron Jerome for me is the first striker on the team sheet
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1st home game of the season and as soon as a punt up the field goes twenty feet over Jeromes head and he does not get on the end of it or attempt to keep the impossible ball in by wasting energy the T**t behind me is already on Jeromes back.
Lets face it some players faces just don't fit,we were spoilt by Forssell because we now think we should have a forward who can score 19 a season (here's a clue we were very lucky to get the fors).
The major reason the forwards look C**p is the lack of service,Jerome had no balls played for him to run onto (his strength) and the only service Zigic got was with back to goal 7 foot in the air against a centre half used to this type of bombardment.In fact there was only 2 1st time crosses attempted today ,1 by a centre half playing leftback and one by Jerome himself,both were well defended.
Our lack of width and our so called wide players unwillingness to cross 1st time and always cutting back onto their other feet is the major problem.
NB I don't count the pass by Fads as a 1st time cross as it was the long ball by Carr that got us in,my argument is based on moving the ball wide on the deck getting to the byline and crossing.
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Not sure I've ever seen a prem striker stand on a ball and fall over, oh sorry yes I have.....more than once thia weekend
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CJ was great in Championship and is a class above in that league, but i don't think he is of the premier league class. He scored eleven last year, yes, and credit to him, but look at the ones he didn't score and should have, we are a team that always has close scores and a few more chances taken would/could have made a world of difference. He may be/is the best we have but we need someone who takes more chances than blows, my greatest memories of last year were when KP came on, then i felt we had a chance.
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mallabar
Aug 22 2010, 01:27 PM
CJ was great in Championship and is a class above in that league, but i don't think he is of the premier league class. He scored eleven last year, yes, and credit to him, but look at the ones he didn't score and should have, we are a team that always has close scores and a few more chances taken would/could have made a world of difference. He may be/is the best we have but we need someone who takes more chances than blows, my greatest memories of last year were when KP came on, then i felt we had a chance.

Mine were when Chucho was playing, Didnt score many goals but his contribution to the team was immense and I for one enjoyed watching him play while he was here ;)

So there < <

Kro.
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Your club is getting thumped 3-0 at St James Park at the moment!

...make that 4
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Aug 22 2010, 01:47 PM
@ joeybluenose, bluenosekev and west heath blue

Your club is getting thumped 3-0 at St James Park at the moment!

Weird that thought we won 2.1 yesterday, I was there cheering the lads on at St Andrews :rolleyes:

Kro.
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Aug 21 2010, 08:13 PM
What summed him up for me was that ball across the blackburn box about 20mins in from seb, Jerome didn't follow in like an instinctive forward like KP does. Had he followed in where it broke free he'd be in a prime scoring position

You'd enjoy the game more if you watched the whole game. It appears you are just watching Jerome and taking notes on your interpretation of his mistakes.

Anyone who can start a thread slagging off Jerome after yesterday's match, either weren't watching the game or weren't there.

If you wanted to slag players (which you should not want to anyway) there were others whose performances were a lot worse than Jerome.

It is early days with forward players yet to gel and it will take a few weeks before judgements can be made on the prowess (or not) of any forward, or indeed the team in general. The first 2 games have been far from impressive especially defensively. The great aspect from yesterday though was that AM was brave enough (imo) to drop Bowyer and play Gardner in central midfield - if AM can continue to show that type of decision making the future can be bright.
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