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The scapegoat Cameron Jerome); Merged Threads (PLEASE DO NOT REPOST)
Topic Started: Aug 21 2010, 07:00 PM (4,601 Views)
SWB
Bob Hatton
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I thought CJ worked his socks off as usual yesterday. Sure he didn't score but as a line leading CF I think he is great he is perhaps not greedy enough but he will score 10 plus goals again this season but who else is going to contribute - Craig Gardener might be the answer and I predict Seb will score 6 or more this season.
A question:- is Barry Ferguson the best midfeilder we have seen in a decade?
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Bcfc_Sears
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Even if Jerome still plays well, he still gets berated by everyone.
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Bob Latchford
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Bcfc_Sears
Aug 22 2010, 06:55 PM
Even if Jerome still plays well, he still gets berated by everyone.

The problem is for me, for everything he does really well, there's an equal amount of things he does really bad.
Shame as I desperate for him to prove us doubters wrong.
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JamieFromBrum
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bluenosekev
Aug 22 2010, 06:34 AM
Lukey_H
Aug 21 2010, 07:40 PM
You know what yeah, people can quote me on this in a few years time.

One day, Jerome is gonna leave this football club, and every single on of you that slagged him off, is gonna realise exactly what he brings to this team, even when he isnt scoring.

Mark my words.

:LMAO: :LMAO:

Dont think so Lukey :LMAO:

Also when CJ eventually does leave BCFC it wont be for another prem club it will be for the championship,no other prem club would be daft enough to sign him..

And before someone reminds me about his goals last season, it was a complete one off..a fluke..not to be repeated..

Mark my words. ;)

Kro.

Absolute rubbish.
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JamieFromBrum
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SWB
Aug 22 2010, 05:52 PM
I thought CJ worked his socks off as usual yesterday. Sure he didn't score but as a line leading CF I think he is great he is perhaps not greedy enough but he will score 10 plus goals again this season but who else is going to contribute - Craig Gardener might be the answer and I predict Seb will score 6 or more this season.
A question:- is Barry Ferguson the best midfeilder we have seen in a decade?

He was my player of the season last year. Best midfielder i've seen down the Blues since Mark Ward.

He is the reason why we played such good passing football last season IMO.
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n0166895
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Aug 23 2010, 06:58 AM
Bcfc_Sears
Aug 22 2010, 06:55 PM
Even if Jerome still plays well, he still gets berated by everyone.

The problem is for me, for everything he does really well, there's an equal amount of things he does really bad.
Shame as I desperate for him to prove us doubters wrong.

im pretty sure he shouldve done that last season. I reckon playing up front for us is the hardest job in the prem. Players dont get a sniff at goal for 180 minutes and fans expect 20 goals plus. until we get in better wingers and more creativeness in general ouyr strikers will struggle.
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JamieFromBrum
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n0166895
Aug 23 2010, 07:07 AM
Raters
Aug 23 2010, 06:58 AM
Bcfc_Sears
Aug 22 2010, 06:55 PM
Even if Jerome still plays well, he still gets berated by everyone.

The problem is for me, for everything he does really well, there's an equal amount of things he does really bad.
Shame as I desperate for him to prove us doubters wrong.

im pretty sure he shouldve done that last season. I reckon playing up front for us is the hardest job in the prem. Players dont get a sniff at goal for 180 minutes and fans expect 20 goals plus. until we get in better wingers and more creativeness in general ouyr strikers will struggle.

Spot on mate.

Fans seem to think we have a gods given right to have a forward on the pitch (or even two forwards) that are going to score 20+ each. We're not in the Nationwide Division One now you know folks.

Unless your names Fernando, Didier, Wayne, Cesc or Frank you're not going to score more than 20. 20+ a season strikers cost 10m+

A mate of mine the other day said Derbyshire would be a 'super sub' probably getting 8-10 goals a season.. like that would be a bad return. If Matt Derbyshire scored 8-10 goals this season off the bench I would be pretty chuffed.

Not sure why we expect so much as supporters, probably still in dream land from all the spin we used to get off Gold and Sullivan.
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Des
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I am a massive CJ fan and defend him to the hilt, but yesterday he was awfull in the extrem but hey we still won (yes luckily I know) hopefully Cam can now concentrate on slaughtering Bolton next sunday!

KRO
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Joeybluenose
Aug 21 2010, 08:38 PM
Oh and 4 goals in 2 games but none from our forward line. Lot of "effort" though

Give it a rest, 2 games in no losses and an average of 2 goals a game. Start panicing when its time to panic.
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Blackburn squeazed the midfield by playing a 5 and this resulted in limited service to both Jerome and Zigic. Problem is some of the players are guilty of playing the longball too often expecting Zigic to win it everytime and it ain't gonna happen. To be fait i wasnt overly impressed with Zigic but i will reserve judgement on him at least until January. I think the team will have to adapt to him and he will have to adapt to the way we play but overall on saturday i think we lacked any zip up front and this was mainly caused by Blackburn squeazing the midfield and the ball not sticking with jerome or Zig
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I slag Cameron off most weeks, his first touch is shocking, and as for passing, lol its like watching a school team. but i would still rather have him playing for us as opposed to against us. his pace is really good and physical. he is still a blues player. if a villa was to slag him off i would stand up for him. although I slag him. Its my prerogative as a paying customer to have that opinion.
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JamieFromBrum
Aug 23 2010, 08:06 AM
SWB
Aug 22 2010, 05:52 PM
I thought CJ worked his socks off as usual yesterday. Sure he didn't score but as a line leading CF I think he is great he is perhaps not greedy enough but he will score 10 plus goals again this season but who else is going to contribute - Craig Gardener might be the answer and I predict Seb will score 6 or more this season.
A question:- is Barry Ferguson the best midfeilder we have seen in a decade?

He was my player of the season last year. Best midfielder i've seen down the Blues since Mark Ward.

He is the reason why we played such good passing football last season IMO.

Anyone can play the pretty passing game in their own half. One pass forward, two passes sideways and two back before hoofing upfield. The opposition love to see that. No doubt Ferguson has individual skill but it irritates me to watch him directing others to pass the ball backwards all the time. He has slowed our game down to snails' pace. Creativity going forward should come from the midfield but we are still lacking in that area. If we had someone who could accurately thread the ball through a defence, then I'm sure Jerome and our other strikers would be a lot more effective. Forget AM, Ferguson is captain and should dictate what happens on the pitch. He must know by now that a hoof ball to Zigic and Jerome is a waste of time. Zigic maybe 6' 8' but he jumps to 5' 8' just like Crouch used to. His value to us will be from passes along the ground and his ability to hold it and also harass defenders. It's unfair to blame the strikers when the fault really lies with the midfield's lack of service.

Talking about on-field direction.... on Saturday, every Blackburn corner was a short lob to the near post and we never countered this threat by rearranging the defensive setup. Larsson doesn't stand much chance in those situations.
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Woodbine
Aug 23 2010, 04:20 PM
JamieFromBrum
Aug 23 2010, 08:06 AM
SWB
Aug 22 2010, 05:52 PM
I thought CJ worked his socks off as usual yesterday. Sure he didn't score but as a line leading CF I think he is great he is perhaps not greedy enough but he will score 10 plus goals again this season but who else is going to contribute - Craig Gardener might be the answer and I predict Seb will score 6 or more this season.
A question:- is Barry Ferguson the best midfeilder we have seen in a decade?

He was my player of the season last year. Best midfielder i've seen down the Blues since Mark Ward.

He is the reason why we played such good passing football last season IMO.

Anyone can play the pretty passing game in their own half. One pass forward, two passes sideways and two back before hoofing upfield. The opposition love to see that. No doubt Ferguson has individual skill but it irritates me to watch him directing others to pass the ball backwards all the time. He has slowed our game down to snails' pace. Creativity going forward should come from the midfield but we are still lacking in that area. If we had someone who could accurately thread the ball through a defence, then I'm sure Jerome and our other strikers would be a lot more effective. Forget AM, Ferguson is captain and should dictate what happens on the pitch. He must know by now that a hoof ball to Zigic and Jerome is a waste of time. Zigic maybe 6' 8' but he jumps to 5' 8' just like Crouch used to. His value to us will be from passes along the ground and his ability to hold it and also harass defenders. It's unfair to blame the strikers when the fault really lies with the midfield's lack of service.

Talking about on-field direction.... on Saturday, every Blackburn corner was a short lob to the near post and we never countered this threat by rearranging the defensive setup. Larsson doesn't stand much chance in those situations.

Well said Woodbine **thumbup

But we do have a creative skillful midfield player.

Remember the pass up at Sunderland that put CJ thru for his goal last season?

Problem is he is kept on the bench..

Must be really fustrating for him (michelle).

Kro.
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shogun
Aug 22 2010, 11:03 AM
1st home game of the season and as soon as a punt up the field goes twenty feet over Jeromes head and he does not get on the end of it or attempt to keep the impossible ball in by wasting energy the T**t behind me is already on Jeromes back.
Lets face it some players faces just don't fit,we were spoilt by Forssell because we now think we should have a forward who can score 19 a season (here's a clue we were very lucky to get the fors).
The major reason the forwards look C**p is the lack of service,Jerome had no balls played for him to run onto (his strength) and the only service Zigic got was with back to goal 7 foot in the air against a centre half used to this type of bombardment.In fact there was only 2 1st time crosses attempted today ,1 by a centre half playing leftback and one by Jerome himself,both were well defended.
Our lack of width and our so called wide players unwillingness to cross 1st time and always cutting back onto their other feet is the major problem.
NB I don't count the pass by Fads as a 1st time cross as it was the long ball by Carr that got us in,my argument is based on moving the ball wide on the deck getting to the byline and crossing.

I agree with this, we don't get any service into the box at all really, Larsson always cuts inside or crosses from deep, and fads doesn't go on the outside either. We need someone that can do this desperatley!
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morrisonisclass
Aug 23 2010, 06:16 PM
I agree with this, we don't get any service into the box at all really, Larsson always cuts inside or crosses from deep, and fads doesn't go on the outside either. We need someone that can do this desperatley!

No point in signing N'Zogbia then because he cuts inside everytime to use his left foot from the right wing. At least Lars has a right foot he can actually use when playing right midfield/wing.
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Joeybluenose
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bluenosekev
Aug 22 2010, 01:52 PM
Bluenose in Limburg
Aug 22 2010, 01:47 PM
@ joeybluenose, bluenosekev and west heath blue

Your club is getting thumped 3-0 at St James Park at the moment!

Weird that thought we won 2.1 yesterday, I was there cheering the lads on at St Andrews :rolleyes:

Kro.

Me too. Tilton Block1 as ever
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Jerome's contribution is Valid, but tbh I'm still waiting for the improvement that he promises by every game he plays! :unsure:


KRO :Blues:
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laney06
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Cams in his 7th year as a pro.

Other than his debut season for Cardiff, he hasnt played in the same league in consecutive seasons. (no time to find your feet, develop your game, and push on)

In his career, 163 starts (up to the end of last season)
48 goals. At a rate of 3.39 ( 1 goal every 3.39 games played)

So, we have a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate., and he gets abuse?????

Kev, West heath blue, and who ever else, WHO do you think, realistically, Birmingham City could attract, that would do a better, more productive job?

YES, he has a poor touch sometimes, YES, he does miss chances you'd like him to score.
But tell me, with his goals to games ratio, add to his pace and power, then add a BETTER touch and finally, improved finishing, Do you think he'd be here???

The only reason a player can SOMETIMES have a bad touch, can SOMETIMES miss 'easy' chances, (but not others)
and can SOMETIMES produce unexpected brilliance, is CONFIDENCE.

The times he does it, shows he's capable. It's when a miss kick goes wide and the 'ive paid my money' brigade abuse him, that you can see his head drop.

Ever thought why he dont celebrate goals like most others?

Would you? If the very people cheering, were jeering not 2 minutes ago?

Get off his back, support him, cut out the ridiculous, mindless abuse, and he may become the striker we all want him to be.
just give it a try? You never know.

Oh, before i go, a direct comparison, between players of a similar age, playing in a similar environment (city)

Gabby Agonglahor.

Played: 166. Scored : 45. Ratio: 3.68. Abuse from own fans : 0

Scroll back up and compare.

Now imagine what could be achieved with a bit of support...........
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amberblue
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laney06
Aug 25 2010, 11:48 AM
Cams in his 7th year as a pro.

Other than his debut season for Cardiff, he hasnt played in the same league in consecutive seasons. (no time to find your feet, develop your game, and push on)

In his career, 163 starts (up to the end of last season)
48 goals. At a rate of 3.39 ( 1 goal every 3.39 games played)

So, we have a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate., and he gets abuse?????

Kev, West heath blue, and who ever else, WHO do you think, realistically, Birmingham City could attract, that would do a better, more productive job?

YES, he has a poor touch sometimes, YES, he does miss chances you'd like him to score.
But tell me, with his goals to games ratio, add to his pace and power, then add a BETTER touch and finally, improved finishing, Do you think he'd be here???

The only reason a player can SOMETIMES have a bad touch, can SOMETIMES miss 'easy' chances, (but not others)
and can SOMETIMES produce unexpected brilliance, is CONFIDENCE.

The times he does it, shows he's capable. It's when a miss kick goes wide and the 'ive paid my money' brigade abuse him, that you can see his head drop.

Ever thought why he dont celebrate goals like most others?

Would you? If the very people cheering, were jeering not 2 minutes ago?

Get off his back, support him, cut out the ridiculous, mindless abuse, and he may become the striker we all want him to be.
just give it a try? You never know.

Oh, before i go, a direct comparison, between players of a similar age, playing in a similar environment (city)

Gabby Agonglahor.

Played: 166. Scored : 45. Ratio: 3.68. Abuse from own fans : 0

Scroll back up and compare.

Now imagine what could be achieved with a bit of support...........

Well said that man **thumbup
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jerome cant pass or dribble it would seem. yes he commits to running flat out to his hearts content for 90 minutes every week but thats all i see in him right now im afraid. i really want him to prove me wrong though!
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Woodbine
Aug 23 2010, 04:20 PM
JamieFromBrum
Aug 23 2010, 08:06 AM
SWB
Aug 22 2010, 05:52 PM
I thought CJ worked his socks off as usual yesterday. Sure he didn't score but as a line leading CF I think he is great he is perhaps not greedy enough but he will score 10 plus goals again this season but who else is going to contribute - Craig Gardener might be the answer and I predict Seb will score 6 or more this season.
A question:- is Barry Ferguson the best midfeilder we have seen in a decade?

He was my player of the season last year. Best midfielder i've seen down the Blues since Mark Ward.

He is the reason why we played such good passing football last season IMO.

Anyone can play the pretty passing game in their own half. One pass forward, two passes sideways and two back before hoofing upfield. The opposition love to see that. No doubt Ferguson has individual skill but it irritates me to watch him directing others to pass the ball backwards all the time. He has slowed our game down to snails' pace. Creativity going forward should come from the midfield but we are still lacking in that area. If we had someone who could accurately thread the ball through a defence, then I'm sure Jerome and our other strikers would be a lot more effective. Forget AM, Ferguson is captain and should dictate what happens on the pitch. He must know by now that a hoof ball to Zigic and Jerome is a waste of time. Zigic maybe 6' 8' but he jumps to 5' 8' just like Crouch used to. His value to us will be from passes along the ground and his ability to hold it and also harass defenders. It's unfair to blame the strikers when the fault really lies with the midfield's lack of service.

Talking about on-field direction.... on Saturday, every Blackburn corner was a short lob to the near post and we never countered this threat by rearranging the defensive setup. Larsson doesn't stand much chance in those situations.

Probably the most intelligent post I've read on this forum.

Having a big man striker makes the midfield and back line lazy, they will use Zigic as a Target Man far too often during a game when the guys talent relies on him playing back to goal, reciving the ball to feet and laying it off again to move into another position. Jerome is probably tired of having to feed off scraps of knock down headers and would much prefer someone like Chucho again who will pass the ball towards his feet.

The style of play with the long ball is so 20 years ago and is detrimental to what was achieved last season, I'd stop the entire team from punting the ball forward to Zigic in the first half and instead teach them how to play the ball along the ground further up the park. Use crosses from corners and from the flanks in open play to use Zigic's high advantage but stop the team from using the long percentage ball up the field from our own half.
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bluebel
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laney06
Aug 25 2010, 12:48 PM
Cams in his 7th year as a pro.

Other than his debut season for Cardiff, he hasnt played in the same league in consecutive seasons. (no time to find your feet, develop your game, and push on)

In his career, 163 starts (up to the end of last season)
48 goals. At a rate of 3.39 ( 1 goal every 3.39 games played)

So, we have a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate., and he gets abuse?????

Kev, West heath blue, and who ever else, WHO do you think, realistically, Birmingham City could attract, that would do a better, more productive job?

YES, he has a poor touch sometimes, YES, he does miss chances you'd like him to score.
But tell me, with his goals to games ratio, add to his pace and power, then add a BETTER touch and finally, improved finishing, Do you think he'd be here???

The only reason a player can SOMETIMES have a bad touch, can SOMETIMES miss 'easy' chances, (but not others)
and can SOMETIMES produce unexpected brilliance, is CONFIDENCE.

The times he does it, shows he's capable. It's when a miss kick goes wide and the 'ive paid my money' brigade abuse him, that you can see his head drop.

Ever thought why he dont celebrate goals like most others?

Would you? If the very people cheering, were jeering not 2 minutes ago?

Get off his back, support him, cut out the ridiculous, mindless abuse, and he may become the striker we all want him to be.
just give it a try? You never know.

Oh, before i go, a direct comparison, between players of a similar age, playing in a similar environment (city)

Gabby Agonglahor.

Played: 166. Scored : 45. Ratio: 3.68. Abuse from own fans : 0

Scroll back up and compare.

Now imagine what could be achieved with a bit of support...........

Great post **thumbup
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n0166895
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dekaz- KRO
Aug 25 2010, 03:12 PM
jerome cant pass or dribble it would seem. yes he commits to running flat out to his hearts content for 90 minutes every week but thats all i see in him right now im afraid. i really want him to prove me wrong though!

Last season
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laney06
Aug 25 2010, 11:48 AM
Cams in his 7th year as a pro.

Other than his debut season for Cardiff, he hasnt played in the same league in consecutive seasons. (no time to find your feet, develop your game, and push on)

In his career, 163 starts (up to the end of last season)
48 goals.  At a rate of 3.39  ( 1 goal every 3.39 games played)

So, we have a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate., and he gets abuse?????

Kev, West heath blue, and who ever else, WHO do you think, realistically, Birmingham City could attract, that would do a better, more productive job?

YES, he has a poor touch sometimes, YES, he does miss chances you'd like him to score.
But tell me, with his goals to games ratio, add to his pace and power, then add a BETTER touch and finally, improved finishing, Do you think he'd be here???

The only reason a player can SOMETIMES have a bad touch, can SOMETIMES miss 'easy' chances, (but not others)
and can SOMETIMES produce unexpected brilliance, is CONFIDENCE.

The times he does it, shows he's capable. It's when a miss kick goes wide and the 'ive paid my money' brigade abuse him, that you can see his head drop.

Ever thought why he dont celebrate goals like most others?

Would you? If the very people cheering, were jeering not 2 minutes ago?

Get off his back, support him, cut out the ridiculous, mindless abuse, and he may become the striker we all want him to be.
just give it a try? You never know.

Oh, before i go, a direct comparison, between players of a similar age, playing in a similar environment (city)

Gabby  Agonglahor.

Played: 166. Scored : 45. Ratio: 3.68.  Abuse from own fans : 0

Scroll back up and compare.

Now imagine what could be achieved with a bit of support...........

Absolutely spot on. Its ashame every Blues fan won't read this.

CJ gets way too much stick, how many other clubs fans critisise their top goal scorer so reguarly???

I fear most won't realise how important he is to us until he's gone!
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Bob Latchford
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marc_f83w1
Aug 25 2010, 06:01 PM
laney06
Aug 25 2010, 11:48 AM
Cams in his 7th year as a pro.

Other than his debut season for Cardiff, he hasnt played in the same league in consecutive seasons. (no time to find your feet, develop your game, and push on)

In his career, 163 starts (up to the end of last season)
48 goals.  At a rate of 3.39  ( 1 goal every 3.39 games played)

So, we have a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate., and he gets abuse?????

Kev, West heath blue, and who ever else, WHO do you think, realistically, Birmingham City could attract, that would do a better, more productive job?

YES, he has a poor touch sometimes, YES, he does miss chances you'd like him to score.
But tell me, with his goals to games ratio, add to his pace and power, then add a BETTER touch and finally, improved finishing, Do you think he'd be here???

The only reason a player can SOMETIMES have a bad touch, can SOMETIMES miss 'easy' chances, (but not others)
and can SOMETIMES produce unexpected brilliance, is CONFIDENCE.

The times he does it, shows he's capable. It's when a miss kick goes wide and the 'ive paid my money' brigade abuse him, that you can see his head drop.

Ever thought why he dont celebrate goals like most others?

Would you? If the very people cheering, were jeering not 2 minutes ago?

Get off his back, support him, cut out the ridiculous, mindless abuse, and he may become the striker we all want him to be.
just give it a try? You never know.

Oh, before i go, a direct comparison, between players of a similar age, playing in a similar environment (city)

Gabby  Agonglahor.

Played: 166. Scored : 45. Ratio: 3.68.   Abuse from own fans : 0

Scroll back up and compare.

Now imagine what could be achieved with a bit of support...........

Absolutely spot on. Its ashame every Blues fan won't read this.

CJ gets way too much stick, how many other clubs fans critisise their top goal scorer so reguarly???

I fear most won't realise how important he is to us until he's gone!

Depends who replaces him
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