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Referee Kevin Friend Has Cost Us 3 Points; Shocking decision-making
Topic Started: Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM (1,669 Views)
Bumble
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Aug 29 2010, 02:59 PM
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Aug 29 2010, 03:57 PM
Agreed, we bossed Bolton for 85% of the game and the ref gave them a lifeline.

Did we boss them in the second half when we were camped in our own penalty area until stoppage time?

I would say they 'bossed' us.

We dominated the first half and had most of the second half, they only came alive when the ref gave them a pen that never was.
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

you must have good hearing if you heard the ref
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cant blame the ref lads, id hate to think what would of happend if they had 11.
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Their keeper holding the ball less than ten yards in front of his own goal under pressure from our players is advantage? Rather than a free kick to allow him to clear his lines properly??? I like it! I want to see that in every game we play from now on! Unless it's Foster whose being put under that kind of pressure, er, I mean, advantage!
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

you must have good hearing if you heard the ref

Well you could clearly see him give the Advange signal after the foul. And when would have shouted Advantage. **thumbup
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

Your team have scored, why are you not watching them?
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

I'm not sure if I agree actually. Think of it this way, if say Bowyer was running with the ball and a player tugged him back, but the referee played advantage, then another player closed him down and Bowyer elbowed him in the face, then would you give the free kick to blues, or the foul and red card against Bowyer?

Once you've had the advantage given to you, if you commit an offence then, that's your own fault!

It's different to say, the advantage being signalled and you losing the ball a second later, in that case, bringing it back would be ok. But not when you're given the advantage and you proceed to hit their player in the face!
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The thing is, there's a very clear hand signal the ref has to give to signify advantage, so that everyone, players and fans alike, know what is going on, and he didn't give it. He waved his arms in a clear 'there's nothing there' signal i.e. 'no foul, get on with it.'

You're right, it ain't rocket science is it :-)
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Their keeper holding the ball less than ten yards in front of his own goal under pressure from our players is advantage? Rather than a free kick to allow him to clear his lines properly??? I like it! I want to see that in every game we play from now on! Unless it's Foster whose being put under that kind of pressure, er, I mean, advantage!

Yes.

Allowing the game to flow and the keeper to kick the ball from his hands at the edge of his box or playing it to a defender is an advantage in my opinion, and most other peoples.

You'd soon moan if referee's stoped the game for every knock the keeper recieves and giving free kicks.
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Once you've had the advantage given to you, if you commit an offence then, that's your own fault!

spot on
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The thing is, there's a very clear hand signal the ref has to give to signify advantage, so that everyone, players and fans alike, know what is going on, and he didn't give it. He waved his arms in a clear 'there's nothing there' signal i.e. 'no foul, get on with it.'

Nah, he didn't. It was a clear advantage signal, but I still think it should have been a penalty for the reasons I highlighted above.
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I wouldn't want that, no. All I want is properly applied rules, clearly signalled decisions, and decent refereeing standards. This incident was one time none of that was present.
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

I'm not sure if I agree actually. Think of it this way, if say Bowyer was running with the ball and a player tugged him back, but the referee played advantage, then another player closed him down and Bowyer elbowed him in the face, then would you give the free kick to blues, or the foul and red card against Bowyer?

Once you've had the advantage given to you, if you commit an offence then, that's your own fault!

It's different to say, the advantage being signalled and you losing the ball a second later, in that case, bringing it back would be ok. But not when you're given the advantage and you proceed to hit their player in the face!

What about if there's an off the ball incident with a player slapping someone in the face? Would that too go unpenalised just as long as there was an advantage, to either side, being played? :crying:
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

I'm not sure if I agree actually. Think of it this way, if say Bowyer was running with the ball and a player tugged him back, but the referee played advantage, then another player closed him down and Bowyer elbowed him in the face, then would you give the free kick to blues, or the foul and red card against Bowyer?

Once you've had the advantage given to you, if you commit an offence then, that's your own fault!

It's different to say, the advantage being signalled and you losing the ball a second later, in that case, bringing it back would be ok. But not when you're given the advantage and you proceed to hit their player in the face!

What about if there's an off the ball incident with a player slapping someone in the face? Would that too go unpenalised just as long as there was an advantage, to either side, being played? :crying:

No it shouldn't. It should be a free-kick (or penalty) given wherever the offence took place. The advantage rule doesn't exempt you from the rules!

Then players might think, "Oh, I'd rather the free-kick than the advantage please ref, so I'll just hack down the player next to me and get us a free-kick".

That's not how it works. The referee just took what he felt was the 'easy' option.

Weak.
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Agreed, we bossed Bolton for 85% of the game and the ref gave them a lifeline.


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Does that look like bossing them for 85% of the game
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And just to clarify, Wikipedia states:

"Rocket science is the study of rockets, most frequently studied in the discipline of aerospace engineering and related fields."

It doesn't mention anything about knowing what slapping a player in the face while standing in your own penalty area should bring as punishment. Honest. I checked.
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And if he's booking their keeper for a foul when he slapped RJ, is that not a penalty to us? Or are there some fouls you're allowed to do in the box that don't attract a pen even though they draw a red card? He didn't blow up for RJ's challenge, and TBH I can't even recall how the game was restarted, but the failure to give a pen to us seems to have gone largely unnoticed.

He played advantage for the foul on RJ.

As there was no advantage it was brought back to the original foul and a free kick to Bolton.

Ref was spot on.

but there was only no advantage because he slapped RJ, if that had been outfield and advantage was played, then the team gave the ball away it wouldn’t be pulled back... the ball was still in play and they gave up their advantage when he fouled Jerome, so it’s a pen imo

As there was the handbags he stopped play and tried to get in there. So had there not been the slap he would have gave them both a rollocking, as there was the slap he had to send him off. He couldn't of gave the foul after he stoped play for the foul. It would have been wrong to give the pen.

What foul? RJ's challenge on the keeper was waved on. No foul. Hardly an advantage given as we were in their box pressurising their keeper. Then their keeper strikes our player. If he'd kicked him would that have made it any different? I bet that would have drawn a penalty decision.

The ref cocked it right up at that point IMHO. The red card muddied the water and allowed everyone to forget about the penalty that should have been given.

RJ fouled their keeper. The ref shouted advantage, as the scuffle started he hit the whistle stoping play. The keeper hit RJ, keeper was then sent off.

Play was then correctly restarted with a FK to Bolton for the original foul on the keeper.

Its not rocket science.

I'm not sure if I agree actually. Think of it this way, if say Bowyer was running with the ball and a player tugged him back, but the referee played advantage, then another player closed him down and Bowyer elbowed him in the face, then would you give the free kick to blues, or the foul and red card against Bowyer?

Once you've had the advantage given to you, if you commit an offence then, that's your own fault!

It's different to say, the advantage being signalled and you losing the ball a second later, in that case, bringing it back would be ok. But not when you're given the advantage and you proceed to hit their player in the face!

What about if there's an off the ball incident with a player slapping someone in the face? Would that too go unpenalised just as long as there was an advantage, to either side, being played? :crying:

No it shouldn't. It should be a free-kick (or penalty) given wherever the offence took place. The advantage rule doesn't exempt you from the rules!

Then players might think, "Oh, I'd rather the free-kick than the advantage please ref, so I'll just hack down the player next to me and get us a free-kick".

That's not how it works. The referee just took what he felt was the 'easy' option.

Weak.

Maybe the fairest option?

I saw it as him playing the advantage, then stopping play just before the handbags to maybe give them a b*****king each. Then the keeper hit RJ whiltst play was stopped.

To be fair to the referee, he managed the incident well and the blues players were happy with the player being sent off and accepted the freekick on the keeper.

Maybe could have booked petrov for being a c u next tuesday.
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And just to clarify, Wikipedia states:

"Rocket science is the study of rockets, most frequently studied in the discipline of aerospace engineering and related fields."

It doesn't mention anything about knowing what slapping a player in the face while standing in your own penalty area should bring as punishment. Honest. I checked.

I can change wikipedia for you :fishing:
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Really poor decision for the free-kick. In fact it was a disgrace, and absolutely no comment from anyone on TV either - not a jot. The penalty incident had at least one other incident exactly like it afterwards with no action taken by the ref. But to penalise a player getting sandwiched is unreal. And a few mins later a couple Blues players did the same thing to a Bolton player and Bolton got the free-kick again.
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No doubt from me the ref spoiled the game and as I expected after he sent off thier gk he would try and even things up in the second half.

Sorry to say though Blues did themselves no favours in the second half,

When 2-0 up the way the game was you would have thought it was the home team winning - they played to there strengths yet Blues looked clueless and looked as though they had no idea to make the extra man count.

Unfortunately at the end when on a one on one with the gk CJ failed miserably. Apart from Fergie I dont see no brains in the Blues team yet alone good quality.

If we are trying to see half a season out by playing injured players ie Carr, McFadden and then relying on players like Fahey to come off the bench, I think we maybe in for a few white knuckle rides.

Positives - 3 lge games no defeats and 5 points and 6 goals scored, playing average to poor.


Negatives - 5 goals conceded in 3, a pen conceded in every lge game,
no forward has scored in those 3 games yet.

If the club dont back the manager after today :silence:

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cant blame the ref lads, id hate to think what would of happend if they had 11.

errrrrrrr mate unless you did not notice we were winning when they had 11 men.. :LMAO:
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