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Referee Kevin Friend Has Cost Us 3 Points; Shocking decision-making
Topic Started: Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM (1,668 Views)
leechy
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Completely agree, the referee was shocking, what ever Coyle said when he ranted in the refs face must have worked, the penalty never should have been and the free kick should have been too us if anything, fair play to Bolton though they kept going, even if there tactics were constant hoof ball.
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Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:
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leechy
Aug 29 2010, 05:26 PM
Completely agree, the referee was shocking, what ever Coyle said when he ranted in the refs face must have worked, the penalty never should have been and the free kick should have been too us if anything, fair play to Bolton though they kept going, even if there tactics were constant hoof ball.

Coyle told the ref "I'll give you a can of pop if you fix this for us"
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leechy
Aug 29 2010, 01:26 PM
Completely agree, the referee was shocking, what ever Coyle said when he ranted in the refs face must have worked, the penalty never should have been and the free kick should have been too us if anything, fair play to Bolton though they kept going, even if there tactics were constant hoof ball.

Spot on summary, mate and that's exactly how I just saw it.....just watched the whole match on tape

I do feel Bowyer got away with one with the pull down on Steinsson and then Owen Coyle had a few choice words with the ref to try and even things up

The referee obliged and then gave Bolton two shocking decisions....the penalty and the free kick

Blues must be kicking themselves and let's be honest Jerome should have finished it off for us.....very poor miss from him for this level of football and with only the keeper to beat

Our delivery and crosses in to the forwards again though is the reason that we cannot kill off teams despite bossing most of the game

And I'm curious with Bolton having a very 'tall' back four (apart from the litte runt Robinson of course) , why on earth AM did not start Zigic ......This would have been a perfect game for the big Serbian to start


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Its strange Parti,
We went after Michel for ages and were told he was quality now he cannot get on the pitch,
We payed big money for Zigic and the same applies,
Some of Mcleishs buys a baffling to say the least,
But he is the boss so in him we must trust.
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Those Blues fans who paid entrance fee at Bolton "or" are Sky TV viewers who are registered and have paid to watch 22 players and 3 officials - and are concerned with todays performance by Mr Friend - I urge you to email MR RALPH CHAWNES who I believe is president at Birmingham FA !

EMAIL ralph.chawnes@virgin.net - with youre concerns then maybe Mr Chawnes will process our complanints tp the main body .....

if you dont nothing wont get done! :banner:
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Joeybluenose
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stansolo
Aug 29 2010, 05:27 PM
Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:

Surely a foul in the box results in a penalty, or does that only apply to top 4 clubs
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Joeybluenose
Aug 29 2010, 10:49 PM
stansolo
Aug 29 2010, 05:27 PM
Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player  - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card  - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:

Surely a foul in the box results in a penalty, or does that only apply to top 4 clubs

must be deemed an off the ball incident
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Joeybluenose
Aug 29 2010, 09:49 PM
stansolo
Aug 29 2010, 05:27 PM
Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player  - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card  - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:

Surely a foul in the box results in a penalty, or does that only apply to top 4 clubs

The ref had already blown for a foul by Johnson on their keeper, the ball wasn't active.
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Aug 29 2010, 08:09 PM
Its strange Parti,
We went after Michel for ages and were told he was quality now he cannot get on the pitch,
We payed big money for Zigic and the same applies,
Some of Mcleishs buys a baffling to say the least,
But he is the boss so in him we must trust.

sign 10 players if 6-7 turn out to a success **thumbup welcome to the real world,
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Elvis
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Aug 29 2010, 11:34 PM
Joeybluenose
Aug 29 2010, 09:49 PM
stansolo
Aug 29 2010, 05:27 PM
Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player  - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card  - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:

Surely a foul in the box results in a penalty, or does that only apply to top 4 clubs

The ref had already blown for a foul by Johnson on their keeper, the ball wasn't active.

no he hadn't - he waved play on... please stop making things up...
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What no-one has mentioned is the award of the free kick for the hoof into the box for the notlob penalty.Just watched it a few times on sky+ in slo mo and there is no foul whatsoever.As for the free kick for their 2nd goal,after watching that a few times it is clear his view is obstructed by Gardener.Absolutely Mind boggling decisions and within a minute of Coyle angrily being right in his face,he awards a soft pen ! This clown should be demoted to the Blue Square Prem. My names Kevin .... he ain't my f***ing friend !
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earface
Aug 30 2010, 12:15 AM
What no-one has mentioned is the award of the free kick for the hoof into the box for the notlob penalty.Just watched it a few times on sky+ in slo mo and there is no foul whatsoever.As for the free kick for their 2nd goal,after watching that a few times it is clear his view is obstructed by Gardener.Absolutely Mind boggling decisions and within a minute of Coyle angrily being right in his face,he awards a soft pen ! This clown should be demoted to the Blue Square Prem. My names Kevin .... he ain't my f***ing friend !

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Hes not my Friend :(
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I believe the test for the penalty is wether the ball was live or not.

As the ball was taken by the keeper (as opposed say to a goal kick) the ball is live or in play, hence a fould would result in an immediate penalty. I can't understand why this wasn't awarded other than the ref stuffed it up like he did most of the key decisions.
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Aug 29 2010, 06:34 PM
Joeybluenose
Aug 29 2010, 09:49 PM
stansolo
Aug 29 2010, 05:27 PM
Just wondering regarding the sending off situation.

If the game is active and the player  - ie boltons gk who was deemed to have struck an opposing player thus recieving a straight red card  - wouldnt that mean a penalty should have been awarded :angel:

Surely a foul in the box results in a penalty, or does that only apply to top 4 clubs

The ref had already blown for a foul by Johnson on their keeper, the ball wasn't active.

Whether a foul was committed or not is irrelevant.......Jaaskelainen was red carded because of one of the following reasons

Retaliation
Violent conduct
Ungentlemanly conduct

All can carry a straight red at the referee's discretion and are considered 'off the ball' incidents even if the keeper has the ball in his hands

Can't remember if a free kick was awarded against RJ or not for the initial challenge ......but in any event the game is restarted with either a free kick or a drop ball
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My take on the main 3 refereeing decisions:
RJ fouled the keeper but as he had the ball in his hands the ref waved play on.
When the keeper then lashed out at RJ he rightly got sent off but as there had been no immediate advantage to Bolton from the play on, he awarded the free kick for the foul by RJ. Good refereeing.

The penalty, it was a foul by RJ but was a bit soft and you don't often see them given.

The foul that led to the 2nd goal he got completely wrong as it was the 2 Bolton players who jumped into each other and caught a Blues player. It was either play on or a foul to Blues.
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Aug 29 2010, 11:21 PM
Lucky
Aug 29 2010, 08:09 PM
Its strange Parti,
We went after Michel for ages and were told he was quality now he cannot get on the pitch,
We payed big money for Zigic and the same applies,
Some of Mcleishs buys a baffling to say the least,
But he is the boss so in him we must trust.

sign 10 players if 6-7 turn out to a success **thumbup welcome to the real world,

I understand that ,
But we were led to believe these are quality players who can enhance our team,but now they are not good enough for the first team,due dilligence and all that.
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baloos
Aug 30 2010, 06:14 AM
My take on the main 3 refereeing decisions:
RJ fouled the keeper but as he had the ball in his hands the ref waved play on.
When the keeper then lashed out at RJ he rightly got sent off but as there had been no immediate advantage to Bolton from the play on, he awarded the free kick for the foul by RJ. Good refereeing.

The penalty, it was a foul by RJ but was a bit soft and you don't often see them given.

The foul that led to the 2nd goal he got completely wrong as it was the 2 Bolton players who jumped into each other and caught a Blues player. It was either play on or a foul to Blues.

1)what i can't understand....

Foul by RJ
He gave Jussi advantage by waving play on.
Jussi slaps RJ.

Now........isn't Jussi giving away his advantage? If the ref gives u advantage on the half way line, then you go and foul a player (say an elbow slung out on purpose - both violent red card offences) he'll give the opposition a free kick.

So why didnt he give us a pen? He has rewarded Bolton for a very minor offence. Only applying a card to one of the most serious offences but still rewarded them with a FK!?

2) Their penalty - there was a tug of the shirt and johnson jumped on his back. It was a penalty by the letter of the law. BUT ref's don't give them EVER. They accept there is always some contact in the box. Mr. Friend would be giving 25 penalties a game if he used the law like that.

3) Its so clear it was never a free kick it really warrants the privilidge of discussion - the decision absolutly stank.

4)He booked Bowyer for dissent...on a decision in our favour. Is it even possible to dissent something you won?

5) The amount of players on the pitch laughing at his decisions constantly shows how awful his performance was. He cheated us. He was just awful for Bolton too though. When oh when will managers and players be able to give an honest appraisal of his performance without the clandestine FA threatening them? Its a disgrace.
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Some of you are looking at the Jussi V RJ incident with blue tinted specs imo.

Yes, RJ fouled the keeper, the referee played advantage, which did not come off. As they got up RJ then pushed the keeper in the chest and the keeper reacted by slapping him in the face.

So what happened first?

A foul on the goalkeeper by RJ.

Another foul on the goalkeeper by RJ after they got up when he pushed him in the chest.

Then a slap in the face by the Keeper on RJ.

The referee couldn't give a penalty. As RJ wasn't 100% innocent. He had two bites at the Keeper before the keeper reacted and the referee correctly punished the first two offenses on the goalkeeper before he reacted.
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blueblood, if you dont mind me asking are you a referee? like kids, sunday, sat etc league ref? I ask because you seem to defend referees at every oportunity be it involving us or anyone else.

Im sure you will say im overtly critical of refs because we have debated the ref subject in other threads, but im just being nosey.
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Ref was playing advantage which didn't materialise so would have been a free kick. The slap occured in this grey area.

When CJ missed the chance in the first half there was a clear tug on RJ, but no pen? Much like Davies was impended, RJ was impended.
If the ref is going to give a penalty for every single time that happens, there will be 10 penalties a game! RJ shouldn't have tried to test the ref there though. It's one of them, normally a foul like that outside the box is a foul but inside the area it isn't.
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Aug 30 2010, 12:06 PM
blueblood, if you dont mind me asking are you a referee? like kids, sunday, sat etc league ref? I ask because you seem to defend referees at every oportunity be it involving us or anyone else.

Im sure you will say im overtly critical of refs because we have debated the ref subject in other threads, but im just being nosey.

Its pretty obvious and you know I'm a referee, but it doesn't take a referee to know how a decision is made.

I haven't defended any other aspect of yesterday's ref's game just tried to explain why I dont think a penalty would have been the correct decision, as RJ wasn't an innocent party as he fouled the keeper twice before he was slapped.

But I wouldn't say your over critical as you never offer your opinion on decisions just add the odd post about their fitness and say they should be punished more.

I dont do kids, but thats no slur against the thousands of very good dedicated referee's who go out and do kids every sunday morning.
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There can surely be no debate about the freekick they scored the equaliser off?

Cahill thinks hes been fouled, but its actually his only player he jumped into.

If anything, Ferguson was fouled as he tried to head the ball, the Bolton players arm is over his shoulder and he pushes him over.

The penalty I am undecided on. Kevin Davies backs in alot, and I think it almost forces Johnson to go over the top of him. Penalties for that are very rarely given, and I will be interested to see the consistency of the decision like that- I wonder if anyone has spotted a point in the game one of our players was "fouled" in a similar manner?

Both decisions were controversial at best, and the freekick was ridiculous IMO. The one thing he got right was the red card for violent conduct, and I cannot see how Bolton can argue against it. To me it looks like RJ is apoligising to the keeper and he then slaps him in the face. Johnson, to his credit, doesnt overreact at all to try and get the GK sent off.

it seemed that from that point on Mr Friend was trying to "even up" the decisions. It seems strange because normally refs do that when they make a 50/50 decision against a team - not when they should feel they got it spot on?

Hope to see him dropped next week......
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blueblood
Aug 30 2010, 11:19 AM
pooley
Aug 30 2010, 12:06 PM
blueblood, if you dont mind me  asking are you a referee? like kids, sunday, sat etc league ref? I ask because you seem to defend referees at every oportunity be it involving us or anyone else.

Im sure you will say im overtly critical of refs because we have debated the ref subject in other threads, but im just being nosey.

Its pretty obvious and you know I'm a referee, but it doesn't take a referee to know how a decision is made.

I haven't defended any other aspect of yesterday's ref's game just tried to explain why I dont think a penalty would have been the correct decision, as RJ wasn't an innocent party as he fouled the keeper twice before he was slapped.

But I wouldn't say your over critical as you never offer your opinion on decisions just add the odd post about their fitness and say they should be punished more.

I dont do kids, but thats no slur against the thousands of very good dedicated referee's who go out and do kids every sunday morning.

Actually I didnt know. But you have quoted before from the f.a. rules and I wasnt sure if you just googled/found them online or had an actual hard copy (which I presume is given to refs at all levels?)

I respect the fact you have the balls to go out and do it, I wouldnt at an ammature level. I have seen in person dads at a kids footie match give the ref a slap (3 dads to one ref) and also footage of blokes doing it. Its quite a dangerous thing to do nowadays but im digressing from the main thread.

I got a different interpretation to you of what rj did, to me, he patted the gk like you see players doing every game (sometimes of the front sometimes back) when they have a collision/50-50/foul etc in a good natured no hard done - Then the slap took place.
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