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| Referee Kevin Friend Has Cost Us 3 Points; Shocking decision-making | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 29 2010, 02:55 PM (1,667 Views) | |
| PartisanBCFC | Aug 30 2010, 11:27 AM Post #76 |
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blueblood I've already covered this and as a ref you'll probably back me up on this A PK is not going to be awarded anyway in the case of violent conduct inside the penalty area ....Play was merely stopped while the ref correctly brandished the red card to Jussi....it's deemed as an off the ball incident and not for straight forward foul play or a hand ball If a free kick is not awarded to Bolton for either of RJ's offences then a drop ball is awarded to restart the game |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 11:47 AM Post #77 |
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Hi Partisan. Whilst the ball is in play: Striking or attempting to strike an opponnent is a direct FK offense, so where ever the ball is, if a defender smacks a striker in his penalty area, providing the referee or assisstant see it, the ref will send off the defender for violent conduct and restart play with a penalty kick. If the ball isn't in play and the same happens the ref will still send of the defender then restart play however it was going to be restarted. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2010, 11:49 AM Post #78 |
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was just trying to work out the advantage we had from that aswell ? how the hell do we have advantage when their keeper has got the ball in his hands i thought it should of been an indirect free kick but to give nothing was a joke and as for the free kick :blink: |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 11:56 AM Post #79 |
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Bolton had the advantage. I meant foul by RJ. Sorry, think one thing, fingers type another. |
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| SpokesT | Aug 30 2010, 12:07 PM Post #80 |
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Ref didn't play advantage from what he signalled. The 'advantage' signal is two arms forward in a 'there you go, carry on' type of motion. He waved both arms , one over the top of the other, in a clear 'there is nothing there for me to consider' motion. It was just so clear. So he's not giving anyone an advantage, he's saying it was a fifty fifty ball which both RJ and their keeper were entitled to go for. When they both stand up, with the keeper holding the ball, it's still open play. When their keeper then slaps RJ, it's no different to him kicking him. For which a penalty would have been given. So. ***??? Rubbish refereeing. He bottled it. Bet he don't ref the prem again anytime soon. |
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| SpokesT | Aug 30 2010, 12:08 PM Post #81 |
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Oh crikey, the letters 'W', 'T' and 'F' now appear to be banned!!!!! |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 12:14 PM Post #82 |
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He put both arms up and signalled advantage after RJ's challenge on Jussi which he rightly deemed to be a foul. Then the red card incident occurred so the advantage didn't happen and the free kick for the initial foul by RJ was given. No bottling, just correct . |
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| SpokesT | Aug 30 2010, 12:16 PM Post #83 |
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There's obviously more than one signal for 'advantage' then. Or my TV screen needs a good clean. Or I need new eyeballs :-) |
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| SpokesT | Aug 30 2010, 12:19 PM Post #84 |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/f...000/3637513.stm that's what 'advantage' looks like. |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 12:19 PM Post #85 |
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If he didn't think RJ had fouled him he wouldn't have made any signal, the signal he made was quite clearly advantage. Maybe you just need to use your common sense. You can knock the ref for the free kick against Bazza all you like but I'm afraid on this one he got it spot on. |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 12:22 PM Post #86 |
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Yes it must always look just like that otherwise it isn't advantage :blink: |
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| SpokesT | Aug 30 2010, 12:31 PM Post #87 |
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I need new eyeballs. :banghead: I just watched it again and for a split second the ref appears at the top corner of the screen doing the 'advantage' sign. Can I have cream with my humble pie please blueblood? :whistle: |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2010, 12:32 PM Post #88 |
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wasnt the reason why he stuck his hands out to say play-on to do with the challenge from johnson on the keeper and not the slap. then the slap happens so its a foul indirect or direct is debateable but either way a freekick |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 12:33 PM Post #89 |
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You don't need humble pie mate, you've realised your mistake thats all that matters. :LOL: |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2010, 01:14 PM Post #90 |
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Here's McLeish's interview on sky sports after the game. fast forward to 1:45 when he's asked about their keeper's red card/possible pen. Listen to his answer, then type a full apology. http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26...6346522,00.html |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2010, 01:17 PM Post #91 |
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Yep, he certainly backed you up there, partisan. |
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| pooley | Aug 30 2010, 01:40 PM Post #92 |
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even john barnes said it wasnt a pen (the rj decision) and barnsey is never wrong |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 02:02 PM Post #93 |
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It was very soft. |
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| pooley | Aug 30 2010, 02:09 PM Post #94 |
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he and kammy also commented on the wba sending off which, initially did look like a sending off but as they freeze framed it and explained it from a players perspective (which is easier from an ex player) looks like it was harsh but you have to give the ref the benifit of the doubt there due to how it looked it live play but should be rescended. |
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| Elvis | Aug 30 2010, 02:11 PM Post #95 |
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what are you talking about? Just cos McLeish believes he blew for a free kick doesn't make it so and doest mean people can just make things up to prove a point. The ref never blew his whistle for a foul, he waved play on therefore the ball was in play, therefore it should have been a penalty. If you want an apology for you being wrong then I'm sorry... Or we can wait for you to prove he did blow the whistle... in which case you're not making things up... |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 02:29 PM Post #96 |
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Not seen it so can't comment, but as you say in real time if it looked that way then you can understand why it was given. Ex-players are mostly bias too remember :P |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2010, 02:43 PM Post #97 |
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Playtime again, is it? The 4th official told Mcleish the ref had given a foul, he says it quite clearly in his interview. Do you have problems with your ears as well as your eyes? |
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| pooley | Aug 30 2010, 02:43 PM Post #98 |
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I do think the ref should be able to admit the mistake and take back the card after - why should the club have to appeal |
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| blueblood | Aug 30 2010, 02:47 PM Post #99 |
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Isn't a mistake if in the referees opinion it was a red at that moment in time. The appeal is there if there is doubt surrounding the decision but if this doubt is only apparent after closeups and slow-mos then the ref shouldn't lose any sleep. |
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| Oby | Aug 30 2010, 03:58 PM Post #100 |
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Mikael Forssell
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Seems Kevin Friend has not got many Mates, there is a Facebook Hate page set up just for him HERE |
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