Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to bcfcforum.co.uk. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Mcleish Bashing...; or just saying what we saw?
Topic Started: Aug 30 2010, 03:56 PM (598 Views)
Penguin Blue
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-s...97319-27163085/

i've posted this because for a while now there's been a general trend that if you dare question the manager's decisions then you must be a Viler, or you just want him out or you need to shut up get behind the team.

not many posters think that what you're saying might actually be either constructive and passionate about the club we all support or might actually be a true reflection of what we saw...

for those who can't get the link:

HONEST Alex McLeish admitted he would analyse his decision to change Birmingham City's formation with a second-half substitute at 2-0 to the good against Bolton Wanderers.


Blues had started 4-5-1, and were in control of the match but began to lose a ‘foothold’ as ten-man Bolton Wanderers made it scrappy.

McLeish brought on Matt Derbyshire to partner Cameron Jerome in the 67th minute – before Bolton made it 2-1 via a Kevin Davies penalty.


“Just before we made the substitution we did begin to keep the ball quite well and I wondered whether I should make it,” said the manager.

“I felt up until then we didn’t really get a foothold in the second-half.

“To be fair to Bolton, they made the game stop-start and disrupted our flow. I just felt we had to make the change to have more thrust up front.

“The extra man would hopefully pay dividends and unfortunately two set-pieces were the things that undid us, and the decision at those set-pieces by the referee.”

“I think we were allowing them to play in between us in little areas,” McLeish added. “That was why I decided to flatten it out a little bit and play 4-4-2.

“The game was just so disrupted that we couldn’t get Derbyshire into the game. So maybe it wasn’t a great decision by me, I need to have a look at it again and see if the tactical switch was wrong.


and can i just say what an honest appraisal of the game by McLeish giving us an insight into his thinking, not many managers will do that publicly :applause:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Lucky
Member Avatar
Bob Latchford
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Seen this earlier,
So maybe some of us who others may see as moaners are actually saying the same thing as our manager,
Funny that,but I guess it will get twisted around to suit their argument.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Blooboy
Unregistered

must admit it's refreshing but not surprising, Alex is one helluva manager. Ok he made a mistake, i guess we all would on occassion,

all he needs to do is remind himself its Blues he's managing :D :LOL:
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

There's not much else he could say really, was there?
He did get it wrong. Man enough to admit it as well.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Raters
Bob Latchford
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
bluenose abroad
Aug 30 2010, 05:50 PM
There's not much else he could say really, was there?
He did get it wrong. Man enough to admit it as well.

I wonder if the ref is man enough....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
darrenbjohn
Olivier Tebily
[ *  *  * ]
There is a differenc ebetween constructive criticism and some of the tripe that gets served up on here.

Eck constantly goes up in my estimation as a man though. Standing up to Nzog and willing to admit to mistakes. What a classy guy.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Joe
Geoff Horsfield
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Not sure how McLeish can be blamed for us drawing. Had he substituted the referee it might have worked yes......you can legislate for terrible decisions Kevin Friend made no matter what the formation. McLeish changed to 4-4-2 because he wanted us to win the game get more ball and push them back. That it didn't work out was hardly down to that solely.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

Joe
Aug 30 2010, 05:01 PM
Not sure how McLeish can be blamed for us drawing.

There really is no answer to that one.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

Raters
Aug 30 2010, 04:52 PM
bluenose abroad
Aug 30 2010, 05:50 PM
There's not much else he could say really, was there?
He did get it wrong. Man enough to admit it as well.

I wonder if the ref is man enough....

Probably not.
I like McLeish as a person, I really do. I think he's an absolute gentleman whose conduct is an example to follow, as is Roy Hodgson's.

My problem with him is purely professional. I know they were 2 bad refereeing decisions, but after that match I realised just how bad we were. We never looked like we had the extra man, and they were the better side. We couldn't keep hold of the ball & just lumped it all the time. It was depressing stuff blowing the lead.

Sunderland played better than us first 15 minutes of the 2nd half up there, again down a man, until we eventually got our @ rses in gear when we went 2-0 down. Sound familiar?

Something's not right on the pitch, is it?
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Blue Raphealite
Member Avatar
Paul Tait
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me :D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thehod
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I've often said that if Alex has a problem, it comes in his subs. He has a tendancy to either delay too long, or make some poor decisions in who he changes and in what way.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Blue Raphealite
Member Avatar
Paul Tait
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
thehod
Aug 30 2010, 06:17 PM
I've often said that if Alex has a problem, it comes in his subs. He has a tendancy to either delay too long, or make some poor decisions in who he changes and in what way.

Often said?

Could you give us a few links mate ?

:LMAO:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Penguin Blue
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:17 PM
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me :D

i can see why you're confused... after reading your post it becomes obvious that you have the ability to confuse yourself very easily.

just a few questions/points for you;

1. who is this 'anti-Blues brigade' you speak of?
2. what was Johnson's 'silly mistake'?
3. the subs would have struggled to reduce the pressure on us seeing as we went from a 5-man midfield to a 4-man midfield at a time we were controlling the game. which was the reason for the OP in the first place!

good luck with your answers oh confused one.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Blooboy
Unregistered

Raters
Aug 30 2010, 05:52 PM
bluenose abroad
Aug 30 2010, 05:50 PM
There's not much else he could say really, was there?
He did get it wrong. Man enough to admit it as well.

I wonder if the ref is man enough....

good point, because Kevin Friend shrivvelled under what Coyle said to him
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Blue Raphealite
Member Avatar
Paul Tait
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
PenguinBlue
Aug 30 2010, 06:36 PM
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:17 PM
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start  **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me  :D

i can see why you're confused... after reading your post it becomes obvious that you have the ability to confuse yourself very easily.

just a few questions/points for you;

1. who is this 'anti-Blues brigade' you speak of?
2. what was Johnson's 'silly mistake'?
3. the subs would have struggled to reduce the pressure on us seeing as we went from a 5-man midfield to a 4-man midfield at a time we were controlling the game. which was the reason for the OP in the first place!

good luck with your answers oh confused one.

How to Read 101

I am confused about the blues-bashers,(and their allegience such as it is) - not about the substitutions.

Gordon Bennet but it's hard when English isn't people's first language.

:D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Penguin Blue
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 06:01 PM
PenguinBlue
Aug 30 2010, 06:36 PM
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:17 PM
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start  **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me  :D

i can see why you're confused... after reading your post it becomes obvious that you have the ability to confuse yourself very easily.

just a few questions/points for you;

1. who is this 'anti-Blues brigade' you speak of?
2. what was Johnson's 'silly mistake'?
3. the subs would have struggled to reduce the pressure on us seeing as we went from a 5-man midfield to a 4-man midfield at a time we were controlling the game. which was the reason for the OP in the first place!

good luck with your answers oh confused one.

How to Read 101

I am confused about the blues-bashers,(and their allegience such as it is) - not about the substitutions.

Gordon Bennet but it's hard when English isn't people's first language.

:D

have read a few of your posts this afternoon and it seems that you're in need of learning a few manners... so, instead of trying to sound clever in front of your pc why not answer the questions i put to you...? please.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
koppite
Garry Pendrey
[ *  *  *  * ]
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:17 PM
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me :D

Just because we have a different opinion than you ralph, why are we anti Blues? :silence:
I do not understand where you are coming from. People support our club for a variety of reasons and why they should have to justify their loyalty of the Blues to the gestapo, such as yourself, beggars belief. Managers come, managers go, but IMO not seeing eye to eye with the managers tactics is par for the course.
What would you say to fans who slag off individual players? Are they followers of the baby pink and blue side
as well?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Penguin Blue
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
koppite
Aug 30 2010, 06:30 PM
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:17 PM
The subs didn't influence Johnson making a silly mistake - he'd been on from the start  **thumbup

The subs didn't make the ref give the free kick that Blake scored from.

My only criticism would be that the subs didn't reduce the pressure on us. So what if we'd subbed with defenders rather than like for like ?

That would open another kettle of fish for the knockers of McLeish wouldn't it ?

Supporting McLeish, you cannot win with the anti-blues brigade. And I'm not saying that they're claret-tinged,
just that I often wonder WHEN ? WHY ? HOW ? they support blues.


It really confuses me  :D

Just because we have a different opinion than you ralph, why are we anti Blues? :silence:
I do not understand where you are coming from. People support our club for a variety of reasons and why they should have to justify their loyalty of the Blues to the gestapo, such as yourself, beggars belief. Managers come, managers go, but IMO not seeing eye to eye with the managers tactics is par for the course.
What would you say to fans who slag off individual players? Are they followers of the baby pink and blue side
as well?

i wouldn't bother with your questions koppite, it seems to scare him off... seems he only wants to leave sarky comments to fellow supporters then do one! :banghead:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The_Bear
Member Avatar
Gil Merrick
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
I wonder if he would have said the same if the ref had not have given the pen and free kick?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thehod
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Blue Raphealite
Aug 30 2010, 05:19 PM
thehod
Aug 30 2010, 06:17 PM
I've often said that if Alex has a problem, it comes in his subs. He has a tendancy to either delay too long, or make some poor decisions in who he changes and in what way.

Often said?

Could you give us a few links mate ?

:LMAO:

Nope, because I've said it to mates at the game, work colleagues, family.

You know, people in real life, away from the internet.

And I've been saying it for some time now, hence "often said."


Not sure why my post amused you so much. As it is, I think the only real failing, in a damn good manager.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Woodbine
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Blooboy
Aug 30 2010, 05:39 PM
must admit it's refreshing but not surprising, Alex is one helluva manager. Ok he made a mistake, i guess we all would on occassion,

all he needs to do is remind himself its Blues he's managing :D :LOL:

Everyone can be excused the odd mistake. But not every week, surely?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
RegularJohn
Member Avatar
Peter Enckelman
[ *  *  * ]
Woodbine
Aug 30 2010, 08:19 PM
Blooboy
Aug 30 2010, 05:39 PM
must admit it's refreshing but not surprising, Alex is one helluva manager.  Ok he made a mistake, i guess we all would on occassion,

all he needs to do is remind himself its Blues he's managing :D  :LOL:

Everyone can be excused the odd mistake. But not every week, surely?

every week?? :banghead:
this is exactly the kind of comment that gets peoples backs up.
it would be very boring on here if we all had the same opinion.
but comments like that dont have any place in a discussion.
whether you like him or not i cant see how you can type something so ridiculous.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Woodbine
Member Avatar
Mikael Forssell
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
RegularJohn
Aug 30 2010, 09:02 PM
Woodbine
Aug 30 2010, 08:19 PM
Blooboy
Aug 30 2010, 05:39 PM
must admit it's refreshing but not surprising, Alex is one helluva manager.  Ok he made a mistake, i guess we all would on occassion,

all he needs to do is remind himself its Blues he's managing :D  :LOL:

Everyone can be excused the odd mistake. But not every week, surely?

every week?? :banghead:
this is exactly the kind of comment that gets peoples backs up.
it would be very boring on here if we all had the same opinion.
but comments like that dont have any place in a discussion.
whether you like him or not i cant see how you can type something so ridiculous.

One word..... Fahey. We have an abundance of midfielders yet AM continues to play or bench him. In my book, that's a mistake.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
antoinette
Geoff Horsfield
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Blues have not got the quality on the bench to kill off a game by putting the opposition under more pressure, as seen by the Bolton game Derbyshire and Fahey are squad filler players.
Hopefully the loan players tomorrow will improve the squad.

:Blues: :Blues:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
koppite
Garry Pendrey
[ *  *  *  * ]
antoinette
Aug 30 2010, 08:45 PM
Blues have not got the quality on the bench to kill off a game by putting the opposition under more pressure, as seen by the Bolton game Derbyshire and Fahey are squad filler players.
Hopefully the loan players tomorrow will improve the squad.

:Blues: :Blues:

Why did Alex pay £6 million quid for Zigic if he does not think he is good enough to get into the team?????
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Blues Chat · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Forum Design by Hirsty.