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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 27 2010, 08:15 AM (3,583 Views) | |
| Penguin Blue | Oct 27 2010, 10:10 AM Post #26 |
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hold on Yewtree, i have no problem with a difference of opinion but this behaviour is wrong, how can anyone condone it? or turn a blind eye, which is just the same... i know fighting goes on - take it away from the ground if you have to but not right outside our front door which then only involves innocent bystanders who just want to go to the game to watch football. yes the OP is a rant - why the hell should i have to shield my lad every time i leave St Andrews? as you say these idiots have a short span of violence but in other sports they don't have this issue. i'd ban this lot for life so if they want to fight they can go elsewhere and cause trouble. however long this has been happening it doesn't make it right. |
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| Raters | Oct 27 2010, 10:34 AM Post #27 |
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So long as they grow out of it it doesn't matter what they do now eh? Just another example of the dwindling standards of our society |
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| bluenosekev | Oct 27 2010, 10:41 AM Post #28 |
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Well said B25 **thumbup The comment re Europe is spot on too ;) We all come from different backgrounds, therefore will take different roads through life, some will attach themselves to bcfc in ways that others dont.. But we are all Blues fans at the end of the day, yesterday a football hooligan next year a married man with kids and responsibilities.. kro. |
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| dr.nick | Oct 27 2010, 10:53 AM Post #29 |
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That was the sixties, and it was NS was over by then. :D All I say is don't get involved, if you want a punch up at football then do it if you don't , don't I'm not condoning it but football and violence is part and part of if. |
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| Migster | Oct 27 2010, 11:05 AM Post #30 |
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If you incite violence anywhere you deserve to be arrested and punished. I don't care how old you are, or how many Nobel prizes you're planning to win in later life. |
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| West Heath Blue | Oct 27 2010, 11:13 AM Post #31 |
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Not condoning it but i think it needs to be said that there is a difference between young divs Shouting the mouths off & bouncing up and down like Hoodies on pogo sticks than the Blues Firm. |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Oct 27 2010, 11:26 AM Post #32 |
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Penguin you shouldnt have to shield your lad i agree...but if that is the worst thing that you or your lad ever see in your lives you could count yourself as being pretty damn fortunate. I have mentioned before that spontaneous violence can draw in the most unusual people...organised disorder doesnt involve innocent bystanders and for the most part would want as few people watching as possible. |
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| bcfc06 | Oct 27 2010, 11:34 AM Post #33 |
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Wow ...kids hanging around by burger bars this sounds horrific. |
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| .Jake | Oct 27 2010, 11:43 AM Post #34 |
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I'd say thats unfair to just blame the blues fans, there will be fans like that for almost every team |
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| Dimebag3 | Oct 27 2010, 12:17 PM Post #35 |
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This is nothing compared to what it used to be, besides, now all the fighting has calmed down andy's is virtually dead on match days now... tomatoes :bluzz: |
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| Blacksmith | Oct 27 2010, 12:27 PM Post #36 |
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Whether it has calmed down or not, it is still something that needs eradicating from football. And as for your suggestion that St Andrews is virtually dead now that there is not so much fighting, I didpute that. It is good football and fervent supporters that make an atmosphere, but there is no need for anti-social behaviour. As for the earlier assertion that these people will eventually grow up and raise families, this is true in the main, but you still see 40 year old 'kids' getting involved in fights. Besides, it is the present we are talking about, not the future. As for the following comment
it is a sad indictment on our society if that is the case and also if it is upheld as something that is normal. Most normal citizens keep away from trouble and don't go looking for it. These guys search it out and goad the opposition into retaliating. It is not just a Blues thing, but is a malaise that affects all football clubs and says a lot about the menality of the people who get involved. |
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| shanethbcfc | Oct 27 2010, 12:32 PM Post #37 |
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Yeah there was. A couple of Brentford fans managed to get in from the Railway. Stewards dealt with most of them, but a few Blues fans went down and stopped them too. |
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| Blacksmith | Oct 27 2010, 12:34 PM Post #38 |
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So they would have been much better leaving it to the police to deal with it. |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Oct 27 2010, 12:53 PM Post #39 |
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seeing as how you have chosen to highlight my comment perhaps you could enlighten me on your view of life growing up in inner city Birmingham I know what i have seen and can describe as normal and i stand by what i have said..if the worst you see or experience in life is watching some youth perform then count your blessings.. To question someone's mentality or behaviour without recourse would require an understanding of the individual in the first place which of course you do not have..as with many many posters on here unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then your opinion should always be kept in perspective.. |
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| elvis ok | Oct 27 2010, 01:10 PM Post #40 |
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Penguin, sorry if I'm missing something, but what exactly did the yobs do last night? The one's that made you scared for your son? Other than trying to look tough - what happened? Most of the rest of us who go home and away over the years have always seen "incidents" and I suppose that is what we are referring to - but last night? What did they do that you want them banned for? **thumbup |
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| clapton bluenose | Oct 27 2010, 01:24 PM Post #41 |
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Imo we have come along way from the late 70's to where we are now. I would put this down to some young lads trying to come out of the shadows of the old zulu firm. Their numbers are low if I am to believe what my mates tell me therefore I wouldn't worry too much as those bad old days are gone forever. |
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| R Kid | Oct 27 2010, 01:41 PM Post #42 |
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sometimes a fight can't be avoided. And with all the hooli films making heroes of the guys then you can see their mind set. But kids shouldn't have to see it. So let em have it on some area away from innocents! |
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| The_Bear | Oct 27 2010, 02:03 PM Post #43 |
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I think the police kne that something was going to happen, they were out in force last night. I had the feeling that they were worried about Brentford kicking it off. |
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| 87dominguez | Oct 27 2010, 02:09 PM Post #44 |
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Frank Worthington
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They clearly knew because it was cheap the mongs/tracksuite brigade would be out in force that there would be problems. |
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| djguinness | Oct 27 2010, 02:13 PM Post #45 |
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If any one really thinks we have major problems with hooliganism in the UK, do some research. Google Italy vs Serbia from last week. Or ask the Liverpool fans who got stabbed in Napoli last week. Just two recent example's of real hooliganism. All we have now in the UK is the young ASBO generation, frustrated by a lack of work and a society they feel doesn't have a place for them, West Midlands police don't know they are born. Imagine if either US, Baggies or Vile drew Galatasaray or Naples in Europe. The major point about last nights problems was the Silly's from Brentford who couldn't take it when we equalised. A group jumped over onto the bridge between the KOP and The Gil Merrick stand. They we're trying to start on our supporters but suddenly realised they were out numbered by about 10,000 and ran back. |
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| Raters | Oct 27 2010, 02:17 PM Post #46 |
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yeah it's not their fault is it, why take resposibilty for your own actions when you can blame someone else for them? EDIT: BTW thats not a dig at you **thumbup |
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| thehod | Oct 27 2010, 02:19 PM Post #47 |
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Regardless of whether its better than it was 20 years ago, whether these people all end up becoming model citizens or whether they were just kids "having a laugh", violent or intimidatory behaviour should not be condoned or accepted. I don't think these people should necessarily be banned, because they've not actually done anything legally wrong, but there needs to be a strong enough police presence that can move anyone on who they may feel is being intimidating or attempting to goad others into violent actions. |
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| Blacksmith | Oct 27 2010, 02:24 PM Post #48 |
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So, you're saying that because someone is brought up in an inner city environment it gives them an excuse to behave like this. That is a real sleight on people who do come from inner city areas, many who would never get involved in things like this. Stop blaming the environment and start blaming the people involved. Nobody should have to suffer the mindless (Yes Mindless!) behaviour of people whose main aim seems to be to cause as much aggro as possible. You say you regard their behaviour as 'normal', well if that is normality there is no hope for us. I am fed up of people trying to justify their behaviour. There is no justification. |
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| 87dominguez | Oct 27 2010, 02:32 PM Post #49 |
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:applause: |
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| Woodbine | Oct 27 2010, 02:37 PM Post #50 |
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Yep, that together with womens' equal rights laws. Up until the late 20's, minimum height was 5'10" and some regional forces (like Nottingham) insisted on 6', even retaining that minimum after It was reduced to 5'8" for men and 5'4" for women. But women were not used on beat patrol, dealing mainly with female arrestees and deskwork. Height requirements were finally removed after the McPherson report in 1999. Absolute madness IMO. I was surprised to see the French police has recently also removed their 5'3" minimum height. But I suppose their 2ft long truncheons make a difference. |
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