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Don't Call Yourselves Blues Fans...; you're a disgrace!
Topic Started: Oct 27 2010, 08:15 AM (3,583 Views)
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Mikael Forssell
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Oct 27 2010, 09:54 AM
how very tiresome... am getting bored of this site, it's full of jerks who haven't got the nous to accept a difference of opinion, with the same old tactics applied - use sarcasm to stifle any opinion other than your own!

such profound words from someone who only wants what he refers to as decent fans being allowed to post on a forum or enter St Andrews...

The OP is a rant and offers no hint of debate...well Penguin if you have the nous to accept a different opinion then im happy to discuss what you imply as the most heinous of crimes...

ps...i wasnt there or anywhere near it but i would suggest if Birmingham City were ever to get to Europe you do not consider making the trip.

The young lads you refer to will be dealt with in no uncertain terms,anyone getting involved has a very short timespan in which to do so...those that beat up old ladies are harder to track down along with those that commit crime against children,acts of terrorism...drunk drivers..speeding motorists etc etc etc...

hold on Yewtree, i have no problem with a difference of opinion but this behaviour is wrong, how can anyone condone it? or turn a blind eye, which is just the same...

i know fighting goes on - take it away from the ground if you have to but not right outside our front door which then only involves innocent bystanders who just want to go to the game to watch football.

yes the OP is a rant - why the hell should i have to shield my lad every time i leave St Andrews?

as you say these idiots have a short span of violence but in other sports they don't have this issue. i'd ban this lot for life so if they want to fight they can go elsewhere and cause trouble.

however long this has been happening it doesn't make it right.
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bluenosekev
Oct 27 2010, 10:19 AM
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Oct 27 2010, 08:15 AM
once again i left St Andrews last night and walked to my car.

win, lose or draw i absolutely love going to watch the Blues with my son, it's just a fantastic day/night out.

yet after every game i see the same thing, gangs of Blues fans - i'd say late teens, early 20's - hanging around by the burger vans (opp the old bus station) just waiting to case trouble with opposition supporters.

they were out in force again last night, scarves over their faces as if they were freedom fighters with one eye on the nearby police, some shouting abusive comments and men and women doing their job to protect, and the other eye waiting to bait the Brentford supporters.

well let me tell you - and i hope some are reading this, or at least having it read to them, you're just loutish, childish idiots the lot of you and don't ever call yourselves Blues fans because i don't recognise you and neither should other decent supporters.

and if you do post on here, do me a favour and don't bother any more because your opinion's not worth it if you think that trying to cause trouble - trouble i might add where innocent bystanders get hurt and injured - is a good night out then you disgust me!

of course you're only any good in your groups and gangs - i tell you what, if you want to fight why don't you sign up and become real men and actually put your lives on the line instead of hiding behind each other's bravado!

some moan about, what you call the 'Vilers' on here with their differing opinions but it's this lot we should be getting rid of - these people are a disgrace to this club!

But they ARE Blues fans.

They will eventually grow out of looking for trouble/having a fight whilst following the Blues, and move on raising families ect..

In other words they will eventually grow up..

Get over it ffs :banghead:

kro

So long as they grow out of it it doesn't matter what they do now eh?

Just another example of the dwindling standards of our society
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Oct 27 2010, 09:54 AM
how very tiresome... am getting bored of this site, it's full of jerks who haven't got the nous to accept a difference of opinion, with the same old tactics applied - use sarcasm to stifle any opinion other than your own!

such profound words from someone who only wants what he refers to as decent fans being allowed to post on a forum or enter St Andrews...

The OP is a rant and offers no hint of debate...well Penguin if you have the nous to accept a different opinion then im happy to discuss what you imply as the most heinous of crimes...

ps...i wasnt there or anywhere near it but i would suggest if Birmingham City were ever to get to Europe you do not consider making the trip.

The young lads you refer to will be dealt with in no uncertain terms,anyone getting involved has a very short timespan in which to do so...those that beat up old ladies are harder to track down along with those that commit crime against children,acts of terrorism...drunk drivers..speeding motorists etc etc etc...

Well said B25 **thumbup

The comment re Europe is spot on too ;)

We all come from different backgrounds, therefore will take different roads through life, some will attach themselves to bcfc in ways that others dont..

But we are all Blues fans at the end of the day, yesterday a football hooligan next year a married man with kids and responsibilities..

kro.
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Oct 27 2010, 09:10 AM
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Oct 27 2010, 08:59 AM
It must have done somthing good, because you didn't have gangs of kids fighting at football grounds in the fifties did you?

Nah, of course not! They were just fighting on the beaches in Brighton instead!

That was the sixties, and it was NS was over by then. :D

All I say is don't get involved, if you want a punch up at football then do it if you don't , don't

I'm not condoning it but football and violence is part and part of if.
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If you incite violence anywhere you deserve to be arrested and punished. I don't care how old you are, or how many Nobel prizes you're planning to win in later life.
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Not condoning it but i think it needs to be said that there is a difference between young divs Shouting the mouths off & bouncing up and down like Hoodies on pogo sticks than the Blues Firm.
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Oct 27 2010, 10:10 AM
B25 YEWTREE LOYAL
Oct 27 2010, 09:54 AM
how very tiresome... am getting bored of this site, it's full of jerks who haven't got the nous to accept a difference of opinion, with the same old tactics applied - use sarcasm to stifle any opinion other than your own!

such profound words from someone who only wants what he refers to as decent fans being allowed to post on a forum or enter St Andrews...

The OP is a rant and offers no hint of debate...well Penguin if you have the nous to accept a different opinion then im happy to discuss what you imply as the most heinous of crimes...

ps...i wasnt there or anywhere near it but i would suggest if Birmingham City were ever to get to Europe you do not consider making the trip.

The young lads you refer to will be dealt with in no uncertain terms,anyone getting involved has a very short timespan in which to do so...those that beat up old ladies are harder to track down along with those that commit crime against children,acts of terrorism...drunk drivers..speeding motorists etc etc etc...

hold on Yewtree, i have no problem with a difference of opinion but this behaviour is wrong, how can anyone condone it? or turn a blind eye, which is just the same...

i know fighting goes on - take it away from the ground if you have to but not right outside our front door which then only involves innocent bystanders who just want to go to the game to watch football.

yes the OP is a rant - why the hell should i have to shield my lad every time i leave St Andrews?

as you say these idiots have a short span of violence but in other sports they don't have this issue. i'd ban this lot for life so if they want to fight they can go elsewhere and cause trouble.

however long this has been happening it doesn't make it right.

Penguin you shouldnt have to shield your lad i agree...but if that is the worst thing that you or your lad ever see in your lives you could count yourself as being pretty damn fortunate.

I have mentioned before that spontaneous violence can draw in the most unusual people...organised disorder doesnt involve innocent bystanders and for the most part would want as few people watching as possible.




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Wow ...kids hanging around by burger bars this sounds horrific.
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Oct 27 2010, 08:15 AM
once again i left St Andrews last night and walked to my car.

win, lose or draw i absolutely love going to watch the Blues with my son, it's just a fantastic day/night out.

yet after every game i see the same thing, gangs of Blues fans - i'd say late teens, early 20's - hanging around by the burger vans (opp the old bus station) just waiting to case trouble with opposition supporters.

they were out in force again last night, scarves over their faces as if they were freedom fighters with one eye on the nearby police, some shouting abusive comments and men and women doing their job to protect, and the other eye waiting to bait the Brentford supporters.

well let me tell you - and i hope some are reading this, or at least having it read to them, you're just loutish, childish idiots the lot of you and don't ever call yourselves Blues fans because i don't recognise you and neither should other decent supporters.

and if you do post on here, do me a favour and don't bother any more because your opinion's not worth it if you think that trying to cause trouble - trouble i might add where innocent bystanders get hurt and injured - is a good night out then you disgust me!

of course you're only any good in your groups and gangs - i tell you what, if you want to fight why don't you sign up and become real men and actually put your lives on the line instead of hiding behind each other's bravado!

some moan about, what you call the 'Vilers' on here with their differing opinions but it's this lot we should be getting rid of - these people are a disgrace to this club!

I'd say thats unfair to just blame the blues fans, there will be fans like that for almost every team
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This is nothing compared to what it used to be, besides, now all the fighting has calmed down andy's is virtually dead on match days now... tomatoes

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Whether it has calmed down or not, it is still something that needs eradicating from football. And as for your suggestion that St Andrews is virtually dead now that there is not so much fighting, I didpute that. It is good football and fervent supporters that make an atmosphere, but there is no need for anti-social behaviour.

As for the earlier assertion that these people will eventually grow up and raise families, this is true in the main, but you still see 40 year old 'kids' getting involved in fights. Besides, it is the present we are talking about, not the future.

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Penguin you shouldnt have to shield your lad i agree...but if that is the worst thing that you or your lad ever see in your lives you could count yourself as being pretty damn fortunate.

it is a sad indictment on our society if that is the case and also if it is upheld as something that is normal.

Most normal citizens keep away from trouble and don't go looking for it. These guys search it out and goad the opposition into retaliating. It is not just a Blues thing, but is a malaise that affects all football clubs and says a lot about the menality of the people who get involved.
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Oct 27 2010, 08:23 AM
Heard there was a bit of agro last night in kop corner? Same lot i suppose?

Working in manchester atm hense why i wasn't there

Yeah there was. A couple of Brentford fans managed to get in from the Railway. Stewards dealt with most of them, but a few Blues fans went down and stopped them too.
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So they would have been much better leaving it to the police to deal with it.
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Oct 27 2010, 12:27 PM
Whether it has calmed down or not, it is still something that needs eradicating from football. And as for your suggestion that St Andrews is virtually dead now that there is not so much fighting, I didpute that. It is good football and fervent supporters that make an atmosphere, but there is no need for anti-social behaviour.

As for the earlier assertion that these people will eventually grow up and raise families, this is true in the main, but you still see 40 year old 'kids' getting involved in fights. Besides, it is the present we are talking about, not the future.

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Penguin you shouldnt have to shield your lad i agree...but if that is the worst thing that you or your lad ever see in your lives you could count yourself as being pretty damn fortunate.

it is a sad indictment on our society if that is the case and also if it is upheld as something that is normal.

Most normal citizens keep away from trouble and don't go looking for it. These guys search it out and goad the opposition into retaliating. It is not just a Blues thing, but is a malaise that affects all football clubs and says a lot about the menality of the people who get involved.

seeing as how you have chosen to highlight my comment perhaps you could enlighten me on your view of life growing up in inner city Birmingham

I know what i have seen and can describe as normal and i stand by what i have said..if the worst you see or experience in life is watching some youth perform then count your blessings..

To question someone's mentality or behaviour without recourse would require an understanding of the individual in the first place which of course you do not have..as with many many posters on here unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then your opinion should always be kept in perspective..
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Penguin, sorry if I'm missing something, but what exactly did the yobs do last night?
The one's that made you scared for your son?
Other than trying to look tough - what happened?

Most of the rest of us who go home and away over the years have always seen "incidents" and I suppose that is what we are referring to - but last night?

What did they do that you want them banned for?

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Oct 27 2010, 01:10 PM
Penguin, sorry if I'm missing something, but what exactly did the yobs do last night?
The one's that made you scared for your son?
Other than trying to look tough - what happened?

Most of the rest of us who go home and away over the years have always seen "incidents" and I suppose that is what we are referring to - but last night?

What did they do that you want them banned for?

**thumbup

Imo we have come along way from the late 70's to where we are now.

I would put this down to some young lads trying to come out of the shadows of the old zulu firm.

Their numbers are low if I am to believe what my mates tell me therefore I wouldn't worry too much as those bad old days are gone forever.
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sometimes a fight can't be avoided. And with all the hooli films making heroes of the guys then you can see their mind set. But kids shouldn't have to see it. So let em have it on some area away from innocents!
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I think the police kne that something was going to happen, they were out in force last night. I had the feeling that they were worried about Brentford kicking it off.
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Oct 27 2010, 03:03 PM
I think the police kne that something was going to happen, they were out in force last night. I had the feeling that they were worried about Brentford kicking it off.

They clearly knew because it was cheap the mongs/tracksuite brigade would be out in force that there would be problems.
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If any one really thinks we have major problems with hooliganism in the UK, do some research.

Google Italy vs Serbia from last week. Or ask the Liverpool fans who got stabbed in Napoli last week. Just two recent example's of real hooliganism. All we have now in the UK is the young ASBO generation, frustrated by a lack of work and a society they feel doesn't have a place for them,

West Midlands police don't know they are born. Imagine if either US, Baggies or Vile drew Galatasaray or Naples in Europe.


The major point about last nights problems was the Silly's from Brentford who couldn't take it when we equalised. A group jumped over onto the bridge between the KOP and The Gil Merrick stand. They we're trying to start on our supporters but suddenly realised they were out numbered by about 10,000 and ran back.
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Oct 27 2010, 03:13 PM
All we have now in the UK is the young ASBO generation, frustrated by a lack of work and a society they feel doesn't have a place for them,

yeah it's not their fault is it, why take resposibilty for your own actions when you can blame someone else for them?

EDIT: BTW thats not a dig at you **thumbup
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Regardless of whether its better than it was 20 years ago, whether these people all end up becoming model citizens or whether they were just kids "having a laugh", violent or intimidatory behaviour should not be condoned or accepted.

I don't think these people should necessarily be banned, because they've not actually done anything legally wrong, but there needs to be a strong enough police presence that can move anyone on who they may feel is being intimidating or attempting to goad others into violent actions.
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Oct 27 2010, 01:53 PM
seeing as how you have chosen to highlight my comment perhaps you could enlighten me on your view of life growing up in inner city Birmingham

I know what i have seen and can describe as normal and i stand by what i have said..if the worst you see or experience in life is watching some youth perform then count your blessings..

To question someone's mentality or behaviour without recourse would require an understanding of the individual in the first place which of course you do not have..as with many many posters on here unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then your opinion should always be kept in perspective..

So, you're saying that because someone is brought up in an inner city environment it gives them an excuse to behave like this. That is a real sleight on people who do come from inner city areas, many who would never get involved in things like this.

Stop blaming the environment and start blaming the people involved.

Nobody should have to suffer the mindless (Yes Mindless!) behaviour of people whose main aim seems to be to cause as much aggro as possible.

You say you regard their behaviour as 'normal', well if that is normality there is no hope for us.

I am fed up of people trying to justify their behaviour. There is no justification.
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Oct 27 2010, 03:24 PM
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Oct 27 2010, 01:53 PM
seeing as how you have chosen to highlight my comment perhaps you could enlighten me on your view of life growing up in inner city Birmingham

I know what i have seen and can describe as normal and i stand by what i have said..if the worst you see or experience in life is watching some youth perform then count your blessings..

To question someone's mentality or behaviour without recourse would require an understanding of the individual in the first place which of course you do not have..as with many many posters on here unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then your opinion should always be kept in perspective..

So, you're saying that because someone is brought up in an inner city environment it gives them an excuse to behave like this. That is a real sleight on people who do come from inner city areas, many who would never get involved in things like this.

Stop blaming the environment and start blaming the people involved.

Nobody should have to suffer the mindless (Yes Mindless!) behaviour of people whose main aim seems to be to cause as much aggro as possible.

You say you regard their behaviour as 'normal', well if that is normality there is no hope for us.

I am fed up of people trying to justify their behaviour. There is no justification.

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Oct 27 2010, 10:23 AM
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Oct 27 2010, 09:06 AM
Couldn't belive how small the police were last night..Tiny little coppers and policewomen trying not to look frightned..

I was at the LG arena a few weeks ago for the boxing and there was a massive "ruck" in the seating, they were Blues fans, "well  they spent the whole evening chanting Zulu Zulu"..anyhow we came out to a long line of police and I swear not one was over 5.8....One  was east asian and I would say he was about 5.4 he looked ridiculous...If I pay tax I want proper sized OB...Not pc  midgets!....

They are going to come unstuck one day unless they can get some bigger coppers in. If it kicked off in this country tommorow "and I mean kicked off all over" with the current climate. These lot would be next to usless

I suppose they got rid of all the massive ex squaddies in the name of "diversity"

It's about time some better solution was found to get away fans from the ground safely..It's a big problem, but letting them  mix with Blues fans is asking for trouble unfortunatly..

Yeah, they dropped the minimum height requirement years ago to encourage more Asian coppers. I agree it's not very encouraging when you see a supposed enforcer of the law and my wife could kick his backside.

Yep, that together with womens' equal rights laws. Up until the late 20's, minimum height was 5'10" and some regional forces (like Nottingham) insisted on 6', even retaining that minimum after It was reduced to 5'8" for men and 5'4" for women. But women were not used on beat patrol, dealing mainly with female arrestees and deskwork. Height requirements were finally removed after the McPherson report in 1999. Absolute madness IMO.

I was surprised to see the French police has recently also removed their 5'3" minimum height. But I suppose their 2ft long truncheons make a difference.
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