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Mourinho / Real Madrid
Topic Started: Nov 25 2010, 08:30 AM (334 Views)
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Up 4-0 over Ajax on Tuesday and with advancement to the knockout stage all sealed up, Jose Mourinho and Real Madrid got a little sneaky in their yellow card management.

First, Xabi Alonso earned his second yellow card and was sent off in the 87th minute after wasting time on a free kick in a way that looked like some kind of running seizure (video above). Then, in the 90th minute, Sergio Ramos earned his second yellow and got sent off when he took his sweet time on a goal kick (video below). That rules both players out for Real's final, utterly meaningless group stage match against Auxerre and gives them a clean slate for the knockout rounds.

Though they would never admit that they did this deliberately, you'd have to still believe in Peter Pan to believe that they didn't. To some people -- Champions League commentators included -- this is an outrage and to others it's just another example of Jose Mourinho's genius. After the match, Mourinho had this to say

“I don’t think it was necessary to get those red cards because we were in control,” Mourinho said. “But this is a fantastic result and that’s the only thing that matters.”


Now since its not cheating to win...4 nil up says it all...surley this is cheating in anotherway and should be punished
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i'm perplexed by this thread, it quotes a post that isn't here and no video link??
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Blooboy
Nov 25 2010, 08:38 AM
i'm perplexed by this thread, it quotes a post that isn't here and no video link??

he initial quote was taken from another website

to cut the story short madrid were 4 - 0 up and had two players mentioned on one yellow card, another yellow would have ment they would miss the next game. To ensure they had a clean slate going into the knock out stages mourinho has said players sent off with second yellows so they initial yellow cards mentioned are now cleared thus both players go into the knock out stages of the competition with a clean slate.

Now the problem is both yellows were very obviously done on purpose and so rediculous it makes a mockery of the rule about 2 yellows = miss a game
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They weren't exactly subtle either, the second one went and shook the refs hand.
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blueblood
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It happens all the time but not as blatent.

They should have just tripped up their opponnents on purpose in the middle of the park then the double yellow's would have been less highlighted.
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Nov 25 2010, 05:18 PM
They weren't exactly subtle either, the second one went and shook the refs hand.

yeah the goal kick/free kick one was funny, the player ran up to take the kick, stopped just before the ball and adjusted his socks

when I say the other one I thought it was my pc playing up with hsi stutter run lol
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Thing is, and I'd apply this to any qualifying match, Champions League or World Cup.

Yellow cards are not wiped away - at ANY stage. They remain accumulative throughout the tournament from first match to Final.

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I remember savage doing it just before he left us, blatant fifth yellow so he was suspended for the fa cup game a week later, I always wonder if he did on purpose so he wouldn't be cup tied for Blackburn.

I actually think it's ok to do it, I'd be wanting our players to do that if were In that position.
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Just ad some more extra time? its not rocket science.
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is there a law against it? it's simply using the laws of the game to your advantage. nothing wrong with it imo.
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It's an absolute disgrace. It was so blatant, that they should be banned from the first game of the knock-out rounds.

The worrying thing is, if things like this aren't stopped, where will it stop?

I could imagine Mourinho saying if they get a goal up, just keep kicking the ball out NON-STOP. May sound ridiculous, but this bloke will do absolutely ANYTHING to win - and yet he's the first to bleat about anything that goes against his side.

He's a complete egnima. I do admire him in some ways but when I see that, it's just out and out cheating, and should be stopped - though it won't be coz UEFA and FIFA haven't got the b*lls.

And for those saying he's done nothing wrong, how would you feel if it was us playing against him, and he used some kind of outrageous gamesmanship like that to beat us?
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ManicBlue36
Nov 26 2010, 05:44 AM
It's an absolute disgrace. It was so blatant, that they should be banned from the first game of the knock-out rounds.

The worrying thing is, if things like this aren't stopped, where will it stop?

I could imagine Mourinho saying if they get a goal up, just keep kicking the ball out NON-STOP. May sound ridiculous, but this bloke will do absolutely ANYTHING to win - and yet he's the first to bleat about anything that goes against his side.

He's a complete egnima. I do admire him in some ways but when I see that, it's just out and out cheating, and should be stopped - though it won't be coz UEFA and FIFA haven't got the b*lls.

And for those saying he's done nothing wrong, how would you feel if it was us playing against him, and he used some kind of outrageous gamesmanship like that to beat us?

Thing is this isn't technically cheating , he's just making sure he has a full squad for the knockout stage.

This doesn't afect anything and gains him no wins or progresses his team any further than round one which he was already garenteed.

This could only be seen as cheating if he needed to win this game and told his team to fain injury or get his players sent off if they were loseing to get the game abandoned.
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Nov 25 2010, 05:33 PM
Just ad some more extra time? its not rocket science.

:LOL: I think you're missing the point
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Posted on: November 26th, 2010 by Peter Headley

Uefa have started a disciplinary case against Jose Mourinho and at least four of his stars after an incident in Tuesday’s Champions League clash with Ajax.

As has been widely publicised by now, the match involved Real Madrid’s Xabi Alonso and right back Sergio Ramos sent-off for time wasting in he last five minutes, with accusations from all corners that Mourinho had advised his players to get sent off on purpose so that they would not pick up a second yellow in the knock-out stages and possibly miss a largely important knock out tie.

Along with the Mourinho, Alonso and Ramos, keeper and captain Iker Casillas as well as the reserve shot-stopper Jerzy Dudek could now all face fines for involvement in the dismissals which saw Alonso delaying a free kick for an astonishing 22 seconds while Ramos took 15 seconds just to take a goal kick.

As briefly mentioned, the cards mean that both players will miss the last,  and now meaningless, group game with French outfit Auxerre but essentially means that they will both be available for the knockout stages with a clean slate.

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in01_saund
Nov 26 2010, 07:18 PM
bcfc--4--life
Nov 25 2010, 05:33 PM
Just ad some more extra time? its not rocket science.

:LOL: I think you're missing the point

I see the point, but I don't see the big deal.

EDIT: Actually I now do see the point, i think its brilliant, and how funny was Xabi Alonso taking his free kick, it was like he had a stutter on his foot
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Jonaldo
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As mentioned, it doesn't help them progress, it didn't give Ajax a disadvantage, it actually gave them an advantage, so where is their case?

I don't see the problem, quite a clever move tbh, and as somebody pointed out, it happens all the time. Now that is has happened so blatantly on a bigger scale there is uproar, unnecessarily i might add.
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It is 'ungentlemanly conduct' and was seen by millions.

So to protect the Champion's League image, some kind of reaction was needed. Nothing much they can do though except slap the wrist...and as it's Real Madrid, immediately kiss-it-better.

However, I can't help but feel that if it was an English team, the players may have received an extended ban, and thus miss the first of the knockouts.
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its like when the ball is kicked out and then thrown back to the other team who kicked it out...99.9% of the time it goes and happens right...but again there is no rule about it, its ust the gentlemanly thing to do
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when's football ever been a gentlemans sport?

go and play cricket or polo if you want to play a sport with etiquette.

it's called gamesmanship and happens in every sport in the world. there's no rule against it so people use the rules to their advantage. whats the big deal?
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Fines and bans have been handed out today

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Nov 30 2010, 06:33 PM
Fines and bans have been handed out today

But what I want to know is to who? Sergio Ramos and Xabi Alonso were just following instructions from their manager and if they didn't it may have an upset of some kind in the dressing room.
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