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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 9 2010, 08:30 PM (619 Views) | |
| Jim Jimmeney | Dec 9 2010, 08:30 PM Post #1 |
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Bloody hell, this will cause a stink. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11965454 A car carrying Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall was attacked as they travelled to the Royal Variety performance, the BBC has been told. An Associated Press photographer had reported seeing student protesters kick the prince's car in Regent Street in central London. The car then drove off. A Clarence House spokeswoman said the couple were unharmed and were safe and attending the show. The coalition government earlier voted to raise tuition fees in England. Protesters have reacted badly to the vote which will see tuition fees increase to up to £9,000 per year. Scotland Yard says eight police officers have been hurt in clashes between police and students. |
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| pooley | Dec 9 2010, 08:47 PM Post #2 |
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people have pre-conceived ideas about students which are being proved right by these violent protests...not one has gone off without trouble |
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| bcfc06 | Dec 9 2010, 08:49 PM Post #3 |
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turned on i didn't no if i was watching the student protest or the glastonbury festival, bunch of soap dodgers. |
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| Steve | Dec 9 2010, 09:21 PM Post #4 |
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More educated than you'll ever be though eh? |
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| pooley | Dec 9 2010, 09:49 PM Post #5 |
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not by the way they have been behaving mate unfortunatley They hve behaved like immature thick chavs |
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| Luseth | Dec 9 2010, 10:17 PM Post #6 |
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Well then answered your own question haven't you... Are you so blinded by the fact that it were a student march that you can't see it is the typical bunch always out to cause trouble... You can see on bbc news (and the person talking about it even said himself) that the minority causing the trouble were probably not students and people there just to cause trouble... It's similar to the Blues game, how many there that ran on the pitch were blues fans and how many were there just for a brawl? Think about that... I'm a student and the majority i know haven't even thought about going to the march let alone gone... And there is only a small number gone from the University of Wolverhampton... Bear in mind thats a few thousand... Students are intelligent enough (or to drunk) to bother going because they know how much trouble there will be there... |
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| dr.nick | Dec 9 2010, 10:17 PM Post #7 |
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Spot on and what's worse is ed militant saying he understands and agrees with them but he did add a little word called peace at the end , yeah right my socialist friend we beleave you. Thing is non of the papers are saying it's wrong either it seems it's ok to be a thug for some reasons. |
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| West Heath Blue | Dec 9 2010, 11:14 PM Post #8 |
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Posted Image Posted Image I have no sympathy for them although it looks like its been hijacked by a load of anarchists just looking for trouble and scruffy lay about dole scroungers with nothing better to do. They really are vermin attacking shoppers on Oxford St and smashing shops up. Hope there is really hefty jail sentances dished out to these bustards. |
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| Migster | Dec 10 2010, 09:43 AM Post #9 |
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Too much tarrin' with a big brush going on here. Let me break it down. A racist for example would look at the actions of individuals, and rather than blame the individuals, blames their race. Take the disgusting actions of those that burned the poppy wreath on 11th November. Those individuals should have had the book thrown at them and rightly so, but a lot of people, instead of going "Grrr... bloody individuals..." went "Grrr... bloody muslims...". So, with our student friends, the vast majority wanted to get out and protest against being lumped with a massive debt, but there will be people there amongst the normal people just looking for trouble. Have a look at the protestors. None of them were black. Should we introduce sanctions against white students on account of this bombshell? And again, I am a Birmingham City fan, and I'm well spoken and get out of the bath to have a wee and everything. Should I be blamed for violence at Birmingham games? No, because it's not me carrying it out. Look at the individuals, rather than the collective. |
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| treetop | Dec 10 2010, 09:43 AM Post #10 |
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Anyone with an ounce of intellect could have forecast the outcome of this so called peaceful march. What I as only a secondary school education can't understand is who do these students who are complaining about the rise in tuition fees think ought to pay for their education? More often than not to study some nondescript useless qualification that gives them a phd in something no one has ever heard of. Look if I want to purchase something, I either save up the money that I have earned to pay for it, or pay through the nose or I go without. I do not expect other people to buy it for me. I live very close to Birmingham University and also have to work around that particular area trying to manoeuvre around the students parked cars is a nightmare. I often see students coming out of the Three Gun Barrels pub and bars in the Selly Oak area many of them smoking. They can afford to run a car, drink and smoke yet as I understand it they want the working man (Taxpayer) to foot the bill. |
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| Migster | Dec 10 2010, 09:52 AM Post #11 |
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I agree with saving for stuff. It's only in the last 20 years or so that you can get everything on credit, and it's irresponsible. What we can't have though is a system where a bright kid from a poor background can't fulfil his potential because he and his family would be saddled with £25K+ of debt for him to pursue a degree. A proper degree in science or somenthing mind, not, as Treetop has pointed out, a degree that's of no-one to anyone. |
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| dr.nick | Dec 10 2010, 09:58 AM Post #12 |
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Your spot on about the poor migs but the well off should pay for it, we are back to the equality in society , sometimes being equal is unfair. |
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| elvis ok | Dec 10 2010, 12:04 PM Post #13 |
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If we scrapped Trident we wouldn't need to raise student fees, create huge unemployment and so on. My generation went to Uni on full grants - we pay back through higher taxes, which I don't object to. In the late 1980s this country was on the skids in terms of skilled workers. That is "intelligent" and qualified workers. We needed to catch up fast with countries like Japan, Korea, India. Which was why there was an explosion of upgrading Colleges and Polys to create a larger and more skilled workforce. Unfortunately the grant system couldn't maintain the huge increase in numbers. The need to raise the student personal debt could have been avoided. These protests could have been avoided. 10 years down the line you can expect more doctors, nurses, teachers with brown faces and bad english being imported to fill the workplace gaps that require some intelectual and qualified skills. |
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| railwayboy | Dec 10 2010, 12:25 PM Post #14 |
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Ripping down our flag makes my blood boil! I hope that guy drops dead! :banghead: But it angers me that people who are well off can make decisions like this for the working class when they live in their posh areas in big houses and don't have a clue about the real world. |
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| keepthecityblue | Dec 10 2010, 12:26 PM Post #15 |
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But the system doesnt actually disadvantage poorer people. The individual student is loaned money by the government to pay for fees. Then, when they get a job, they are deducted repayments from their salary. Yes, people from well off backgrounds may have family to boost their income if they choose to give them money. But the rich families may not be giving their kids money. And in that case - they are in the same position as the kid from the poor background. Paying back a debt they themselves have decided to take on. I think its a bit of a myth that just because you come from a normal working class background you will be at a disadvantage in terms of fees. The main disadavantage is in living costs. The reason fees have gone up and are going up is due to (IMO) the stupid decision to try and get "50% of 18 year olds" to go to Uni. There was never any need for so many to go to Uni, as there plainly arent enough graduate jobs for them to go into. Instead of encouraging people into apprenticeships and traineeships - some of which do actually send people to uni part time - the previous government made out that everyone should go to uni - and that it would automatically get you a better job. |
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| keepthecityblue | Dec 10 2010, 12:32 PM Post #16 |
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disgusting. and graffiti on a statue of Churchill. No respect. |
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| TJDIXI | Dec 10 2010, 02:24 PM Post #17 |
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Actually the argument is that they want the state to pay more than they are planning to do and to not take 80-95% out of HEI's. I really hate it when people start judging what you can and cannot spend simply because of the money you have and where you got it from. Nobody in the groups can/should be suspected of criminal activity for the lifestyle that they lead in which case the money they have in their back pocket is their own. On top of that the loan that they do receive is something that the taxpayer gets back and with a rate, albeit slight, interest on it. It's none of your business how they choose to spend their money. |
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| bcfc06 | Dec 10 2010, 04:10 PM Post #18 |
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how did you work that one out ? clever dick |
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| elvis ok | Dec 10 2010, 04:44 PM Post #19 |
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Look fella. In the US where you pay for your education ( unless you are ex-service) - they have had donkey's years to prepare. Parents start college funds for every new child - not knowing if that child will or be able to go to college - those savings for 18 years go towards paying for it. Here we have an almost overnight challenge to families that have not been bought up in that culture - where on earth are they going to get the money with 2 years notice? When I taught in Coventry there was an old red light district called Hilfields - nearby to the old Cov ground. Almost half of one road got bought out by PARENTS whose kids got a place at Warwick Uni. They didn't pay the rent on a house - they bought it for their kids - no doubt they sold it at a proffit whatever - but there is a huge gap in available money to a lot of people. Those well-off parents won't suffer, nor will their kids. I remember being at a meeting when Germaine Greer taught at Warwick and she was also dismayed that so many 'southern' kids actually lived in homes bought by their parents. Now compare that with student having to take part time almost fulltime jobs to get by. Up and down the country the picture is getting clearer, if your family can afford it, you will survive and get a good education. If your folks are ordinary average wage earners, forget it. The previous government did not "make out that everyone should go to Uni". They wanted everyone to have the BLOODY choice, and be able to AFFORD Uni. The eleven plus threw so many kids on a scrapheap at the age of eleven, what the hell is wrong with giving all our kids the chance of a higher education ? It is about giving people a chance, not pricing them out of it. |
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| maulley54 | Dec 11 2010, 08:20 AM Post #20 |
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but unless i have read it / heard it wrong, they dont have to pay it in 2 years time. they have a grant and only pay it back once they have a job. and the minister on the radio the other day said if they get a job over something like 21,000 a year they will pay back, and i didnt quite hear this bit, either £7-00 a week or £7-00 a month, either way on £21,000 a year surely they can afford that. and he also said if they dont get a job they dont pay anything back. now that is a better deal than the one in place now. why people get upset is some of them get a phd in oragami or something stupid and want us to pay for it. i failed my 11+ cause i was thick, but i have worked hard, very hard all my life, served an apprenticeship which was a waste of time (paid for by the company) but have never been unemployed in 32 years. maybe i am lucky or maybe i just work hard. people like treetop are my heroes, lost his job but got off his but and got another, its all about attitude. |
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| treetop | Dec 11 2010, 10:37 AM Post #21 |
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By all accounts it seems this guy seen here swinging on the flag at the Cenotaph, is the son of a multi millionaire rock star. So he really needs to complain about the cost of his education dosen't he? Why not make him pay for the clean up? |
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| Luseth | Dec 11 2010, 11:06 AM Post #22 |
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On a side note to this, that only represents a portion of students... I know a ffew people who have not touched their student loan and are saving it (simply earning interest on it) so that they can pay everything back as soon as... I also know several who have cars but these people all work 20-30 hours a week to pay for these... Myself, I drive a little ford fiesta thats 12 years old, paid for out of my work money... I work 35 hours a week and uni 48... So what students spend it on depends on the actual student... I don't see why everyone categorizes groups... Each student is different, just because there is a portion that everyone knows about that goes out drinking all the time does not mean they represent the large majority because they don't.... |
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| treetop | Dec 11 2010, 11:21 AM Post #23 |
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I can agree Luseth in most part of what you say but alas not this sentence. The large majority do drink and drink quite heavily. Remember I work in and around the student belt so I see it with my own eyes. |
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| dr.nick | Dec 11 2010, 11:31 AM Post #24 |
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I've never met a student that didn't spend most of his/her grant on beer, but that's beside the point I'm realy worried about these militant groups hijacking the protests, one lad had to have emergency surgery for bleeding on the brain, he got struck by a copper, Thing is there was this woman from an anarchist group and she said the students were protecting themselves and the police were the violent ones causing all the trouble. Now we all know that these groups are causing the trouble so I think the police should go after them and shut them down and lock em up like the terrorists they are. |
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| Blue Raphealite | Dec 11 2010, 11:59 AM Post #25 |
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You may find this hard to accept, but I swear it is true doc. During the miner's strike, and especially the marches, a hell of a lot of stone throwing was started by - lets put it this way. Geezers that arrived with the police - covered in badges and stuff, got out of their transits and joined in the march or demo. I've seen it, and we followed this group down the back of Euston as they filtered into the march. We told some stewards and we were all watching them Right on cue they take out stones and start pelting the police. Right on cue the horses charge in from side streets. We bumped into them disembarking from a police transit by accident because we'd gone to the wrong pub for a drink. Call them agent provocateurs or just agitators, but I bet you'll find that those student's arrested are the hyped up ones who got carried away, and the actual evil ones just melt away. It took Thatcher 11 years to get "violent" protests on th steets of London - taken this shower 11 weeks. :banghead: |
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