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Neil Moxley replies - Reinstated; Please keep all discussion civil
Topic Started: Feb 7 2011, 10:28 AM (2,859 Views)
Blacksmith
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Right. I've done my best to reinstate the thread. If there are defamatory comments I've left in by mistake, please let me know and I'll remove them.

I would like to make a request that all posts should be written in a way that is civil to each other and non libellous. It's a good discussion, and it would be a shame to spoil it.

Many thanks for you cooperation. **thumbup
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tony123
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To be honest if all this is a publicity stunt to get people to read your column then I think you have done marvellous.

Cant wait to see your next installment.

:LMAO:
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mybluearmy
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Well done blacksmith, credit where its due..!
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Des
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What a fantastic contribution from Mr Moxley! Made utter and complete ****s out of some on here. No names no pack drill!

KRO
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mybluearmy
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I have to disagree.

He still passed complete personal supposition off as 'Headline News'.... Just running the story of Westley leaving wasn't 'sexy' enough on its own....

Still think theres a case to answer, not only by Neil but all the other journos who concoct an 'if, but and maybe' story then headline it to stress the paps off the fans.

Stick to the story boys, if I want fiction I'll go to amazon
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Can't be bothered to go into detail. However I have concluded that Mr Moxley esquire is indeed an Aston Villa supporter. Google his name ad he predominately covers Villa. Also the timing - why hasn't this guy been on here before ranting and raving. No matter if you’re right or wrong Mr Moxley I have to say it smacks of a Villa fan a little bit edgy about the current success of BCFC.

Why on earth does a journalist from a national newspaper feel the need to have a go at a few irrelevant comments from a few Blues fans?

I suggest you raise your game and become more professional rather than coming on here and having a pop at great and the good.




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Feb 9 2011, 11:51 AM
Can't be bothered to go into detail. However I have concluded that Mr Moxley esquire is indeed an Aston Villa supporter. Google his name ad he predominately covers Villa. Also the timing - why hasn't this guy been on here before ranting and raving. No matter if you’re right or wrong Mr Moxley I have to say it smacks of a Villa fan a little bit edgy about the current success of BCFC.

Why on earth does a journalist from a national newspaper feel the need to have a go at a few irrelevant comments from a few Blues fans?

I suggest you raise your game and become more professional rather than coming on here and having a pop at great and the good.

On the contrary I wish that many more journalists would come on here and spill the beans on their various modus operandi. Apart from anything else some of us might learn to spell a little better which would be no bad thing.
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Feb 9 2011, 11:57 AM
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Feb 9 2011, 11:51 AM
Can't be bothered to go into detail. However I have concluded that Mr Moxley esquire is indeed an Aston Villa supporter. Google his name ad he predominately covers Villa. Also the timing - why hasn't this guy been on here before ranting and raving. No matter if you’re right or wrong Mr Moxley I have to say it smacks of a Villa fan a little bit edgy about the current success of BCFC.

Why on earth does a journalist from a national newspaper feel the need to have a go at a few irrelevant comments from a few Blues fans?

I suggest you raise your game and become more professional rather than coming on here and having a pop at great and the good.

On the contrary I wish that many more journalists would come on here and spill the beans on their various modus operandi. Apart from anything else some of us might learn to spell a little better which would be no bad thing.

I have to agree with someone else on here that there are quite a few new recruits to the BCFC forum. I wonder why that is and why so many? :fishing:
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Des
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I was always told when your in a hole stop digging! Throw that shovel away! NM has been proved correct so far..speculation is justified about Jm`s future.
I take my hat (if I wore one) off to him for coming on here and standing his corner! One Guy called him the `ANTI-CHRIST` as if he sat there malevolently conspiring anti blues stories! Made him look a right mug!

KRO
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mybluearmy
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Des

Neil said quite clearly that there was no substance whatsoever to his alluding to Jordons departure.

It was no more than his own imaginings based on Terry bringing Jordon to the Blues and keeping an eye out for him. Jordon is now a first team squad member under the wing of Alex McCleish and the 1st/Reserve team coaches. He is a man.

No direct quotes, no indirect quotes. Pure piffle.

The story was westleys departure. The headline was Mutch may leave Blues because of Westleys departure.

Wake up son, stop buying fiction from the newsagents.



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Feb 7 2011, 12:46 PM
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Feb 7 2011, 10:28 AM
Right gents, if that is the correct term to use on this forum, Neil Moxley here, of the Daily Mail.

First, thing to say is (OMG) that story about Terry Westley appears to be true.

Secondly, contract negotiations with JM are still on-going. I understand that there are one or two sticking points over length of contract. However, at present, that deal remains unsigned.

Thirdly, not that I have to rattle my medals at anyone on here but - and whoever Alfred E Nueman is - should he wish to make himself known to my goodself before any Birmingham City game and engage in a friendly discussion to my face about my credentials to cover this football club, I suggest he goes to the St Andrew's Tavern about an hour before kick-off and asks to speak to Tommy Foley. Tommy will point him in my direction. I will not be there against Stoke - WBA is more newsworthy at this moment in time - try Newcastle on the Tuesday.

Fourthly, I'm not anti-Blues, anti-Villa, anti-West Brom. I'm pro-Blues, pro-Villa, pro-WBA, Wolves and all the rest of them. However, if I see, hear or feel there are issues that need addressing or need saying, I'll address them. It's my job.

Fifthly, neither I or Colin Tattum are 'poodles' for this football club. Colin is a first-rate reporter who has Blues' best-interests at heart. He has to maintain relationships with employees at the club that he has to cover on a daily basis, yet try to balance that out by representing the supporters' voices. I am cut a bit more slack because I have other clubs on the patch that need to be covered. Also there is a difference between local and national coverage.

Finally, the people on here who glibly ***** about remarks like 'he's a s**t journalist' should try and wear the shoes. There's good and bad. Just like there are good and bad estate agents, solicitors, tyre-fitters and the rest. I may be in the former category. The fact I've been employed for the past 20 years in the business suggests I should have been found out by now. But, of course, that's a matter of opinion.

Right, I'm off for a cuppa. And to dig up some more stories that are patently wrong.
KRO fellas, (and ladies)

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With the greatest of respect; whilst the original piece correctly unearthed the departure of Terry Westley; it made much more of a completely spurious and speculative aspertion that young Jordon Mutch may be on his way because of it....

Colin Tattum has said theres nothing in that whatsoever.

What was the jounalistic basis for for putting that particular slant on the Westley story, Neil?

Terry Westley was the main reason that JM left Derby to join Blues academy, TW brought him with him. With his contract still not having been sorted out, I don't think that's a too outrageous "slant" to put on it.
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Des
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Thanks for the `son` when you get to my age that is a real compliment.
Cant really see why your getting so worked up about a good peice of reportage, he has dug out a unknown fact i.e Terry for the tin tack (bear in mind TW thought he was sitting down with the board to agree the direction the acadamy was going to take.. ooops Terry!) and then followed it through to a logical conclusion.
Anyway Pulp Fiction is one of my favourite films!
Try and keep the sides straight and the bottom flat and when the soil is higher than your head then its job done.. thats what they told me when I was digging trenches!!
KRO
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brummie88
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I am sorry but I refuse to condone or acknowledge Neil Moxey's defence of his 'journalistic deductions'. He may mell be a fantastic person but he works for a Newspaper of whom this country could do without, often relishing on such xenophobic and 'lazy' reporting it is a national joke between people with at least an ounce of intelligence and is mocked by a plethora of comedians.

So to conclude Mr.Moxey , like the paper he works for, is something we should pity for how sad an uninteresting they really are.

KRO

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Feb 9 2011, 11:10 AM
What a fantastic contribution from Mr Moxley! Made utter and complete ****s out of some on here. No names no pack drill!

KRO

I don't think he did.

I think poor old Alf came out of it pretty badly :LMAO:

But then, those of us with memories can reognise that every dig at Alf has come from someone he has crossed swords with when defending blues etc. And by default seeming to support Neil M's views.

As I said, seems like a year ago like, it's apparent now where the "news" originated from, and how on the same day Colin Tattum was reporting on Westley's plans for the future and so on, Neil M had got the tip-off about Terry W.

As has also been said, the whole thing was put on a hook about a Jordan Much "walk-away". I think that was a bit too "Much" for many people. No facts, no substance, no evidence.
Well done fella, anyway for coming on the forum. Not everyday the messenger becomes the news.
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Feb 9 2011, 02:47 PM
Des
Feb 9 2011, 11:10 AM
What a fantastic contribution from Mr Moxley! Made utter and complete ****s out of some on here. No names no pack drill!

KRO

I don't think he did.

I think poor old Alf came out of it pretty badly :LMAO:

But then, those of us with memories can reognise that every dig at Alf has come from someone he has crossed swords with when defending blues etc. And by default seeming to support Neil M's views.

As I said, seems like a year ago like, it's apparent now where the "news" originated from, and how on the same day Colin Tattum was reporting on Westley's plans for the future and so on, Neil M had got the tip-off about Terry W.

As has also been said, the whole thing was put on a hook about a Jordan Much "walk-away". I think that was a bit too "Much" for many people. No facts, no substance, no evidence.
Well done fella, anyway for coming on the forum. Not everyday the messenger becomes the news.
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:LMAO: that was such a bad pun it actually was quite good
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Feb 9 2011, 10:41 AM
I am sorry but I refuse to condone or acknowledge Neil Moxey's defence of his 'journalistic deductions'. He may mell be a fantastic person but he works for a Newspaper of whom this country could do without, often relishing on such xenophobic and 'lazy' reporting it is a national joke between people with at least an ounce of intelligence and is mocked by a plethora of comedians.

So to conclude Mr.Moxey , like the paper he works for, is something we should pity for how sad an uninteresting they really are.

KRO

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Good post, mate

And I'd be the first to defend any comment made by alfred e neuman who usually has the best interests of the club at heart

Someone on here said the other day that Moxley was actually a BlueNose (or used to support the club) and even wrote for the club once......I find that very hard to believe but if it is true, then why does he take every opportunity to take cheap shots at BCFC in his long standing role at The Daily Wind Up ?
Isn't this the same guy who was once banned from the press box by Karen Brady and The Sullivan regime at st Andrews for deragatory remarks aimed at the football club and in fact it's press facilities where Mr Moxley would try and keep himself warm with a hot cup of Bovril and an old blanket??

Hey ! I'm the first to admit St Andrews is hardly a first class arena but it's certainly not the worse in the current Premier League by a long shot .........The Main Stand is an antique that even us diehard fans are ashamed of but local politics, finances, listed buildings (flats with Dutch rooves) behind the structure and other factors have prevented us from tearing it down........At least The Yeung Regime have gone out of their way to improve some facets of St Andrews since they arrived

Mr Moxley didn't paint The Yeung regime in a good light either from this article I found and in fact if you read this he predicted an instant return to the Championship.......it just happened to turn out that 2009/10 ended up as our best top flight finish for 51 years ......as alf rightly pointed out he's hardly a Mystic Moxley ??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...return-top.html

Sorry, Neil .......I read your articles regularly and you always strike me as someone who will praise up everythong and everyone at The Wolves and The Villa but tend to diss the Blues and The Baggies with equal ferocity......Is the fierce Brum and Black Country rivalry interrupting your concscience ??

History we have none......even the fans have disappeared by the 1000's .....But we are still potentially a big club about to enjoy a Major Cup Final against one of the best clubs in Britain (now watch the stayaways and McLeish bashers all flood back for tickets next week) right now and the current manager, despite not being able to win over all of the supporters, has certainly taken us forward over the last two years

In fact Neil right here you did have the good taste to praise him up

http://bcfcforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=58126&hl=

And Fair play to you for coming on here as well, that takes a lot of guts but I have to be honest, as you claim to represent the major Midlands clubs in your duties as a national journalist then perhaps you can ask your London based colleagues why thay all seem hellbent on giving Birmingham City FC bad publicity at every attempt possible

This is why some of the national papers are not that largely respected on this Forum anyway .......Now Tatts on the other hand.......a local journo who tells it like it is.....without the needless negativity and the need to dig up the past ........Tatts is a first class writer **thumbup




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Small factual note: journalists in the field don't write the tendentious headlines
that so often wind up readers. They're cooked up by sub-editors on a London night desk who live far away from the subject story - and unlike the named reporter don't have to justify themselves to a 'local' readership.

There's many a journo privately cursed the misleading headline slapped across his copy - on the other hand, when a head-line specialist gets it right, it can be witty, sharp and entirely right.

So Neil Moxley, in HIS copy, is not being unreasonable in raising the issue of Jordan Mutch's future given the lad's history with Terry Westley. Reasonable speculation is not a criminal offence.
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So all we need is for Neil to point us in the direction of the 'headline dude'? That should've been easy...!
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Feb 9 2011, 09:51 PM
Small factual note: journalists in the field don't write the tendentious headlines
that so often wind up readers. They're cooked up by sub-editors on a London night desk who live far away from the subject story - and unlike the named reporter don't have to justify themselves to a 'local' readership.

There's many a journo privately cursed the misleading headline slapped across his copy - on the other hand, when a head-line specialist gets it right, it can be witty, sharp and entirely right.

So Neil Moxley, in HIS copy, is not being unreasonable in raising the issue of Jordan Mutch's future given the lad's history with Terry Westley. Reasonable speculation is not a criminal offence.

Which I would totally agree with, if it weren't for the first line of his copy that read...

"The future of Birmingham midfielder Jordon Mutch could be in doubt if academy director Terry Westley's exit is confirmed."

Focus put immediatly on Mutch and the pure speculation that he could follow Westley.

If the focus were the other way around, something like..

"Birmingham Academy manager Terry Westley is poised to leave the club, and there is some speculation that academy star Jordon Mutch could follow him." then I'd have no issue with Neil.

But the focus in his story, in his words, is Mutch. A story which, he himself claims, is nothing more than his own speculation.

Its lazy, exploitative and, unfortunatly, par for the course in football media circles.
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Someone on here said the other day that Moxley was actually a BlueNose (or used to support the club) and even wrote for the club once......I find that very hard to believe but if it is true, then why does he take every opportunity to take cheap shots at BCFC in his long standing role at The Daily Wind Up ? 
Isn't this the same guy who was once banned from the press box by Karen Brady and The Sullivan regime at st Andrews for deragatory remarks aimed at the football club and in fact it's press facilities where Mr Moxley would try and keep himself warm with a hot cup of Bovril and an old blanket??


That was kimber, usualy spot on with his comments - he said neil used to write for the programme
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Someone on here said the other day that Moxley was actually a BlueNose (or used to support the club) and even wrote for the club once......I find that very hard to believe but if it is true, then why does he take every opportunity to take cheap shots at BCFC in his long standing role at The Daily Wind Up ? 
Isn't this the same guy who was once banned from the press box by Karen Brady and The Sullivan regime at st Andrews for deragatory remarks aimed at the football club and in fact it's press facilities where Mr Moxley would try and keep himself warm with a hot cup of Bovril and an old blanket??


That was kimber, usualy spot on with his comments - he said neil used to write for the programme

Having checked his facebook out I can confirm he is a bluenose **thumbup
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Feb 10 2011, 09:59 AM
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Someone on here said the other day that Moxley was actually a BlueNose (or used to support the club) and even wrote for the club once......I find that very hard to believe but if it is true, then why does he take every opportunity to take cheap shots at BCFC in his long standing role at The Daily Wind Up ? 
Isn't this the same guy who was once banned from the press box by Karen Brady and The Sullivan regime at st Andrews for deragatory remarks aimed at the football club and in fact it's press facilities where Mr Moxley would try and keep himself warm with a hot cup of Bovril and an old blanket??


That was kimber, usualy spot on with his comments - he said neil used to write for the programme

I seem to remember Pat Murphy of Radio 5 Live, a journalist and broadcaster I admire, being derogatory about the press facilities at St Andrew's and incurring the Brady wrath.
By the way, if Mutch stays will this have been Mutch ado about nothing? Sorry. :wub:
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"In its purest form, a newspaper consists of a collection of facts which, in controlled circumstances, can actively improve knowledge. Unfortunately, facts are expensive, so to save costs and drive up sales, unscrupulous dealers often "cut" the basic contents with cheaper material, such as wild opinion, bullsh*t, empty hysteria, reheated press releases, advertorial padding and photographs of Lady Gaga with her bum hanging out. The hapless user has little or no concept of the toxicity of the end product: they digest the contents in good faith, only to pay the price later when they find themselves raging incoherently in pubs, or – increasingly – on internet messageboards."

- Charlie Brooker's words.

The Daily Mail is a dreadful newspaper read by blustering old people in brown cardigans that hate anything different to themselves. And in this xenophobic rag, Of course our board are going to be described as Chinese at every opportunity, and remember, it's only our friendly hack "describing their nationality". If he could get away with putting "shifty" before it, he would, IMO.

:LMAO: :LMAO:

Brilliant stuff, Migs....post of the year candidate

Did you know The Daily Mail Football section has a Scottish Premier League section too ??

Now I thought that was ground breaking .....it is placed at the bottom of the page though :whistle:

Any chance we can get a journo from The Sun on here ??? .......or are they all out reporting on possible trouble at the next St Mirren v St Johnstone game and a possible takeover of Tranmere Rovers by Gillette and Hicks ?
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Pooley
Feb 10 2011, 09:59 AM
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Someone on here said the other day that Moxley was actually a BlueNose (or used to support the club) and even wrote for the club once......I find that very hard to believe but if it is true, then why does he take every opportunity to take cheap shots at BCFC in his long standing role at The Daily Wind Up ? 
Isn't this the same guy who was once banned from the press box by Karen Brady and The Sullivan regime at st Andrews for deragatory remarks aimed at the football club and in fact it's press facilities where Mr Moxley would try and keep himself warm with a hot cup of Bovril and an old blanket??


That was kimber, usualy spot on with his comments - he said neil used to write for the programme

Having checked his facebook out I can confirm he is a bluenose **thumbup

Can you also confirm if he was in Rotterdam in May of 1982 ??


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